Bohemian Grove, The Owl: Not Satanic!

Leaders make a choice - to serve. Like policemen, anyone in the armed forces, they are PUBLIC SERVANTS

To that effect they loose the right to privacy - anyone with the authority to facilitate nuclear war should harbor no secrets - nor should they want to - if you allow a single secret suddenly you have to create guidelines for which secrets you may permit - then you get loopholes and well it all decays very quickly into corruption. Here's an example of a secret - if a man was diagnoses schizophrenic and under medication showed no symptoms but without medication became a paranoid depressive who was hell bent on armageddon - if he kept THAT a secret should he still be allowed president ?

Anyway, Zerotime is correct - they have abandoned basic religious fundamentals that we still utilise in the courts!!! I'm not sure about your country but doesn't your president swear oath on the bible?

furthermore, in the ritual there are a few more notables I picked up...


The calling to of the forest folk seems to imply that they are the bohemians they are hailing. The invocation of spells over 'these mortals' to 'open there eyes to fancy' - almost as if they are 'removing the veil' so that they may see beyond this world - perhaps something that no video-camera can pick up!

there is a nod to a goddess of some-kind - she-spirit most definitely - they bow to beauty everlasting - great nature refuge of the weary heart

From fools fools onward it is almost as if the character has gone into third person perspective - the punch-line being 'fools to dream you conquer care'

then there is the 'threat' - what waits for us after death perhaps - 'we know thou waiting for us when this out sylvan holiday has ended'

description of the battle - whatever malevolence they refer to has no power under the trees. Midsummer sets us free - perhaps a nod to Shakespeare and a midsummer nights dream.

then again almost a retort once more - as if the enemy was speaking again.

then they attempt to drive HIM ( MALE SPIRIT) from the grove.



Someone with far more lore and knowledge of ancient pagan ritual should do a serious analysis on this piece - there is far more buried in it that meets the eye.

Logical explanation or not If i was strolling through the woods in the middle of the night and came across this


Id tuck tail and run realy fast in the other direction...

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
I can't beleive people are defending this crap....
...
THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE IN AMERICA!

IN AMERICA, WE ARE ALL FREE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT ANYONE!

In the context to which I refered... you are saying that politicians have the right to trade our rights for a night in the sack sodomizing a young boy or girl... and you are also saying that it doesn't hurt anyone...

you one sick stupid puppy, if you truly beleive that...!

politicians need to operate out in the open... that is why they have very little privacy... really just in there own bedrooms, and that depends on who they are in there with... it is the price of fame and power... NO PRIVACY...
does the word clinton and monica ring a bell?
NO PRIVACY for the power players...


[edit on 17-5-2005 by LazarusTheLong]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
In the context to which I refered... you are saying that politicians have the right to trade our rights for a night in the sack sodomizing a young boy or girl... and you are also saying that it doesn't hurt anyone...

you one sick stupid puppy, if you truly beleive that...!

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!? Where do you get off putting words in my mouth!?!? Wtf is wrong with you!?!?!?

I said EVERYONE has a right to their privacy, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Isn't that what I said? So how do you get that I said it's OK for politicians to trade our rights for one night of sodomizing young boys!??!? You have issues...


[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
In the context to which I refered... you are saying that politicians have the right to trade our rights for a night in the sack sodomizing a young boy or girl... and you are also saying that it doesn't hurt anyone...

you one sick stupid puppy, if you truly beleive that...!

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!? Where do you get off putting words in my mouth!?!? Wtf is wrong with you!?!?!?

I said EVERYONE has a right to their privacy, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Isn't that what I said? So how do you get that I said it's OK for politicians to trade our rights for one night of sodomizing young boys!??!? You have issues...


[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

actually, you have problems with quoting out of context, when you tried to PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH...
it can be played both ways... don't quote me out of context again.

you chose to use my quote in your post, and totally misrepresented it...
so if used in context...
then you one sick puppy... as you defended the rights of politicians to do "anything they wanted"... including my contextual statement of trading votes for young boys being "the way things are done..."

does that clear it up for you?
good!
now as stated before... quote within context or expect to get confronted...

Originally posted by C0le

I think Sebatwerk would tell you how that could just be a performance of the musical Annie. C'mon, you guys remember when Daddy Warbucks got Annie out of the orphanage.................and then sacrificed her to a huge wooden owl !!!

All those statesmen and business leaders should try the local Y instead. There's probably a more diverse group of youngins to choose from anyways.

Peace

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
actually, you have problems with quoting out of context, when you tried to PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH...
it can be played both ways... don't quote me out of context again.

you chose to use my quote in your post, and totally misrepresented it...
so if used in context...
then you one sick puppy... as you defended the rights of politicians to do "anything they wanted"... including my contextual statement of trading votes for young boys being "the way things are done..."

does that clear it up for you?
good!
now as stated before... quote within context or expect to get confronted...

You're the one that said that public officers have no right to privacy, public or private. I merely stated that everyone in this country has a right to do whatever they want in private, provided it is not harming anyone. How is that quoting you out of context? Here is your exact quote:

it is the price of fame and power... NO PRIVACY...
does the word clinton and monica ring a bell?
NO PRIVACY for the power players...

Now tell me again, how did I quote you out of context?

Public officers dont have rights, but YOU do. What kind of American are you? Your whole reaction is based on parannoia and fear. Get over it.


[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

...and this is the only argument you had for the topic and the only argument youll ever have for the topic sebatwerk...i think everybody got it already so you can stop repeating yourself

sebatwerk, let me set the record straight, since you have lost track of the order of what was said and how you responded...

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

I suspect as several previous posters did, that this is a method of 'fund raising" or lobbying, where the sponsors are awarded with many pics of senators and powerplayers playing with little boys or girls...
thereby assuring that the politician/player got his rocks off, and the lobbiest has a nice vote... (similiar to the white house pedophilia Larry King scandal)

THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE IN AMERICA!

to which you responded... I quote:

Originally posted by sebatwerk
IN AMERICA, WE ARE ALL FREE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT ANYONE!

so my original statement now stands...
you are a sick puppy!


or were you just misquoting me out of context?
which is it?
it is one or the other...

rude or inhuman?
i think I know how the rest of the board would vote.

as to the owl ritual... it is not only druidic, it also reminds me of a wiccan ritual...
none of these things are bad by themselves... so why do they hide?
what is so secret as to require a secret retreat?

[edit on 17-5-2005 by LazarusTheLong]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
sebatwerk, let me set the record straight, since you have lost track of the order of what was said and how you responded...

This is getting annoying for both of us, as well as everyone else. You're the one that lost track. When I originally replied to you, it was to this post, on page 2:

I can't beleive people are defending this crap....
these are our world leaders and power players.. and they apparently like to do obscure druidic rituals...
...
THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE IN AMERICA!

You stated you couldnt believe people are defending politicians who like to perform weird rituals... to which I said that ALL people are free to do what they want, even politicians. True, I snipped out some other text in the middle, but the original meaning of the post is still conveyed. How is that taking you out of context!?!?


[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

Some interesting bits and pieces on the Grove and it's fun loving members

The Story People Magazine Won't Let You Read

Inside Bohemian Grove:

Snip~

Few journalists have gotten into the Grove and been allowed to tell the tale (one exception is Philip Weiss, whose November 1989 Spy piece provides the most detailed inside account), and members maintain that the goings-on there are not newsworthy events, merely private fun. In fact, official business is conducted there: Policy speeches are regularly made by members and guests, and the club privately boasts that the Manhattan Project was conceived on its grounds

When Dirk Mathison, San Francisco bureau chief for People magazine, infiltrated the exclusive Bohemian Grove retreat this summer, he got a view into the U.S. elite that very few reporters have glimpsed. Unfortunately, that elite includes the management of Time Warner, the owner of People, which prevented Mathison from telling his story.

He witnessed a speech -- "Smart Weapons" -- by former Navy Secretary John Lehman, who stated that the Pentagon estimates that 200,000 Iraqis were killed by the U.S. and its allies during the Gulf War. Other featured speakers included Defense Secretary Richard Cheney on "Major Defense Problems of the 21st Century", former Health, Education and Welfare Secretary Joseph Califano on "America's Health Revolution -- Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Pays", and former Attorney General Elliott Richardson on "Defining the New World Order".

Mathison's entree into the secret world of the Grove was cut short on July 20, however, when he was recognized by two of the participants in the festivities -- executives from Time Warner, People's publisher. More loyal to the Grove than to journalistic endeavor, they had the reporter removed from the premises (San Francisco Weekly, 8/7/91).

www.fair.org...

THE power-moguls and political heavyweights now luxuriating at ultra-exclusive retreat Bohemian Grove are unaware that they're being waited on hand-and-foot by a famous gay porn star.
New York Post Page Six (Archived Page) July 22 2004
July 22, 2004 --

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We're told that "Chad Savage," who has appeared in such carnal classics as "How the West Was Hung," is supplementing his sex job by working as a valet at Bohemian Grove, the all-male annual gathering inside a 2,700-acre redwood forest in Monte Rio, Calif., that has been attended by every Republican president since Calvin Coolidge, as well as by industrial titans and media magnates.

"All of us valets in the Grove are tittering about it," says our Bohemian blabbermouth. "To think there's all these powerful conservative guys having their drinks and food served to them by a gay porn star. He makes their beds and attends to their every need — and they have no idea who he really is."
Link

www.propagandamatrix.com...

Bohemian Grove & Global Elite

Snip~

Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male.)
We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and "relax." And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.
Recent [O'Brien and Phillips, TRANCE Formation of America] information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious - kidnapping, rape, pedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act. (!) And like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

The Origin of Moloch, Druid and Canaanite Cult

These cults were based on human sacrifice. Why would a 20th century resort reproduce the cult ceremonies? At the minimum, it demonstrates an attraction to the ceremonial practices of the cult, i.e. adoration of destruction, blood, barbarity and sacrifice of children.

In brief, the O'Brien charges are consistent with the tenants of Bohemian Grove as played out in ceremony. This is not a resort devoted to, for example, tennis or swimming. It is apparently devoted to blood sacrifices.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals, druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch.) A funeral pyre with "corpses." (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

An article in a local community newspaper, Santa Rosa Sun (1993, July) reported on the Cult of Canaan and the legend of Moloch in place at Bohemian Grove. The Moloch Pagan Cult of Sacrifice is human sacrifice. About the mid 1980s there were rumors of murders in remote parts of the property. A local police investigation went nowhere. State investigators on related criminal acts went nowhere.

According to an observer and near victim, who can describe the Bohemian Grove inner hideaways, the closed sanctum, even the decor at secret locations, places where no outsider goes (or servants according to our sources) there is an UNDERGROUND lounge (sign spelled U.N.derground) a Dark Room, a Leather Room and a Necrophilia Room.

Here is one of O'Brien's quote "Slaves of advancing age or with failed programming were sacrificially murdered at random in the wooded grounds of Bohemian Grove and I felt it was only a matter of time until it would be me." This potential victim survived. Others reportedly did not.

www.mt.net...

Sonoma County Free Press Bohemian Grove Action Network

The Bohemian Grove and The Nuclear Weapons Industry: Some Connections

Bohemian Grove - mock ceremony or real human sacrifice?

ATS ~ infinite8
New Bohemian Grove Photos

[edit on 17/5/2005 by Sauron]

Sauron, why is that owl necklace called molech? Molech is never associated with an owl in the bible. In fact, molech is never associated with the owl at all.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
I lied to you, it was to this post, on page 2:

[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

do you see my example of how easy it is to construct any statement by picking and choosing... try to keep quotes in context... is all i am saying...

Ok so now that we have it understood that you quote totally out of context (which you did again)
we can proceed...

I have an off topic question which will bring it back into the threads topic

why do they have to "hide" these goings on, if this is just harmless fun?

There is a dark side to politics, and i think this is just the begining of the uncovering... my paranoia... yeah... and millions of others...
guess you didn't see this
white house gay porn ring

The white house gay porn scandal was a common occurance with many still elected politicians involved... is this "just" another club like that one was?

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

Originally posted by sebatwerk
I lied to you, it was to this post, on page 2:

[edit on 17-5-2005 by sebatwerk]

do you see my example of how easy it is to construct any statement by picking and choosing... try to keep quotes in context... is all i am saying...

I did not pick an choose! What the hell is the matter with you? Your post was VERY clear, and there was only one way to interpret it. You feel that politicians do not deserve a right to privacy. There's no other way to interpret your post.

Ok so now that we have it understood that you quote totally out of context (which you did again)
we can proceed...

Whatever you say, bro... man up and take responsibility for your posts. If I'm quoting out of context, how about you stop simply accusing me of doing so, and explain to us what you actually meant?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Sauron, why is that owl necklace called molech? Molech is never associated with an owl in the bible. In fact, molech is never associated with the owl at all.

Nygdan; I agree with you, I have read that they are not the same, except in the last paragraph posted below

The Great Owl of Bohemia

Bohemian Grove: Hell-Fire in a Forest
Snip~


Giant Owls and Transvestites?

Although I have ruled out the Great Owl as a statue of Moloch, the evidence of a connection between the Bohemian Grove and Babylon is a clue to its true identity. In addition, one of the prayers used during a ritual at the Grove provides another key piece of evidence:

"O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee, grant us thy counsel," [12]

However, according to the video recording which Alex Jones of infowars.com made of the ceremony, this sentence begins as "O Owl, Prince of." Whether there is some variation in the actual words used, or whether the first source quoted above is in error, the main difference in meaning is that the first is gender-neutral, whereas the second reflects a male deity and thus provides a further clue to the identity of the owl.
A simple web-search using the terms "owl" and "symbol" turned up many references to owl as a symbol of Athena, a.k.a. Ishtar, a prominent member of the Babylonian and related pantheons, known among other things as the goddess of wisdom. (Although the owl is referred to above as a male deity, it's useful to understand its connection to Ishtar as well, as a means of demonstrating the multiple allegiances of the Cult of Isis.)

For example,

"Considered the mascot of Athens, the owl was even named for the goddess Athena, Goddess of Wisdom - scientific name: Athene noctua. These birds were abundant in ancient Greece. Athenian coins bore the likeness of Athena on one side and an owl on the other.

Indeed, these coins were called "owls." King Arthur's Merlin was always depicted with an owl on his shoulder. The owl is the unrivaled symbol of intelligence." [13]

An additional indication that the owl represents Ishtar is the reported cross-dressing at the Grove. Since this allegation is so bizarre, I wanted some corroboration. It didn't take me long to realize that the webpage quotation near the top of this page provides this corroboration, by linking the Bohemian Club to the network exposed by The Franklin Cover-Up.

This network includes The Knights of Ak-Sar-Ben, a group of high-rollers who practically run the state of Nebraska. The Franklin Cover-Up, at the bottom of page 132 (2nd ed.) states that "Past Ak-Sar-Ben festivity themes included: ... 'Hi-Jinx in Hades.' ["High Jinx" is also part of a name of an activity at the Bohemian Grove.] Sometimes the men and boys of Ak-Sar-Ben PARADED IN WOMEN'S CLOTHING, OR DRESSED AS EGYPTIAN GODDESSES." [emphasis added] (Note that Ak-Sar-Ben is "Nebraska" backwards; The Ultimate Evil indicates that creating words by spelling real words backward is a common practice of satanic cults.)

Even better, there is photographic evidence of DeCamp's statement. In the illustration-section which follows page 128 of his book, there is a photograph captioned in part as follows: "1923 Ak-Sar-Ben festivity, showing male Ak-Sar-Ben members dressed up as EGYPTIAN DANCING GIRLS." [emphasis added] The following announcement puts this weird activity into perspective:

Gender ambiguity in the ancient Mediterranean world where the goddess Ishtar was honored by a cult festival characterized by cross-dressing will be the subject of an upcoming lecture.

The implications should be obvious by now: the Ak-Sar-Ben club and the Bohemian Grove are contemporary manifestations of the ancient Cult of Isis!

The Great Owl: Symbol of The Cult of Isis

In the final analysis, the Great Owl symbolizes the Cult of Isis, by symbolizing all four of its gods: Ishtar, Lucifer, and by virtue of the associated flames representing abandonment to Lucifer-stimulated desires, Dionysus and the "greater Moloch," Satan. The main difference between the original form of sacrifice and the Establishment's current mode of sacrificing its minions to Satan is that their bodies aren't cremated, but hijacked. So, if you're ever invited to attend the annual Bohemian bacchanalia [23], you might want to consider politely declining.
Link

Source
[12] from Bohemian Bigwigs Perpetuate Canaanite Cult at www.sonic.net... ARCHIVE/MARK%20EVANS/BohemianClub.html

13] Go to Mblem Archives page, take September 1999 link, then "Wise Old Owl" link menc.iqhost.com...

[23] Bacchanalia [pronounced like BACK-analia] 1) a Roman festival of Bacchus [Dionysus] celebrated with dancing, song, and revelry 2) a drunken feast: ORGY

All information is from The Seventh Fire a Prophecy of the Ojibwe


[edit on 17/5/2005 by Sauron]

Lazarus, sebatwerk, may I make a suggestion?




M'kay?

great work sauron and nukanuka...

My concern very much deals with the "all male political frat circle jerk" that gets to decide the fate of our country without any due process other than their wierd little mock human sacrifice ritual

sounds a bit DARK doesn't it?

if it is just a grownup game of dressup and play fairy... that is fine (sortof)
but when it obviously has political speeches and other "drawing of the vote" then that is a proper political meeting.

please correct me if I am wrong...
but isn't it illegal for a political meeting to take place that decides public issues unless seconds/records are taken for the public...

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
if it is just a grownup game of dressup and play fairy... that is fine (sortof)
but when it obviously has political speeches and other "drawing of the vote" then that is a proper political meeting.

please correct me if I am wrong...
but isn't it illegal for a political meeting to take place that decides public issues unless seconds/records are taken for the public...

"Drawing of the Vote"? Is that actually something that goes on there? I'm not being argumentative, I'm honestly asking. Can you elaborate on this? Can anyone?

I'm not sure if it's illegal for a political meeting to take place without minutes beinng recorded, because then how does the administration account for all the private meetings held in the Oval Office and things like that. They can probably get away with it under the auspices of National Ssecurity.

But that might be true regarding Senate, Congress and Committe meetings, or something similar.

but isn't it illegal for a political meeting to take place that decides public issues unless seconds/records are taken for the public...

Er? In the US its not.

Sebatwerk, If you haven't guessed already, its pretty much useless to argue with these people. As far as the majority of ATS is concerned, one is guilty until proven innocent, and its damn near impossible to prove someones innocent if the person you're trying to prove it to has bibles taped over their eyes and ears to keep any objective thoughts from getting through to them.