Bohemian Grove, The Owl: Not Satanic!

I recently (just yesterday in fact) viewed Alex Jones admittedly excellent "Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove". The DVD was my first Alex Jones documentary and I must say that I was very pleased with Alex Jones work and the amount of research he puts into his documentaries. I commend him for that. "Dark Secrets" follows Alex Jones as he infiltrates the Bohemian Grovew where many important political figures go to supposedly "party". Others say that dimportant political figures gather there to hold a satanic mock human sacrifice in front of a huge owl statue. Indeed those people seem to be right at first when Alex actually shows us that very ritual taking place in Bohemian Grove in "Dark Secrets". But is it really a satanic ritual that is taking place or is it something else? I for one think it is the latter.

There seems to be nothing sinister afoot as Alex Jones begins to infiltrate Bohemian Grove. In fact we see footage in which many Bohemian Club members are drinking and chatting with each other. Sounds real sinister right? Alex does have a few run-ins with security and secret service members but there is a completely logical reason for this which I will reveal later. It is at night that the really weird stuff begins as we see the long awaited mock human sacrifice that the documentary has been telling us about the whole time. This mock human sacrifice is known as "The Cremation of Care".

Now you may be asking yourself right now why important governors and even former presidents would take part in a mock human sacrifice. But everything is not as it seems. This is not a satanic ritual. You see Bohemian Grove is where these important political figures go to get a break. Its there vacation of sorts if you will. Why at Bohemian Grove you ask? Well that is very simple: Bohemian Grove is a very beautiful place. Even Alex Jones admits this. But what does that have to do with the ritual you ask? Well the whole ritual is done in honor of natures. The ritual is honoring nature. During the ritual the paritcipants use the words "she" a number of times. Who are they talking about you ask? Nature is the answer. They are talking about nature. They are not talking about Satan. They are talking about nature. How do I get nature out of "she"? MOTHER NATURE! See there is nothing satanic about it it is a ritual honoring nature. But there is another reason for the ritual as well. You see these important political figures that go to Bohemian Grove are very powerful. And you know what Spider-Man always says right? With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility. I;m not saying that these people actually care about their responsibilities but they do have to worry about a lot of thngs just like we do. They probably have more to worry and care about than us. They go to Bohemian Grove to get away from there worries and cares. That is why the ritual is called "The Cremation of Care" because they are getting rid of all their cares and worries. It is a release of sorts that gets rid of all their stress. But what about the dummy being sacrificed? Very simple anser to that. The dummy represents all their cares and worries and when they burn it it is like they are burning aweay all their cares and worries. See it is all very simple. I am not saying that there is not an Illuminati. I am not saying there is not a global conspiracy. I am not even saying that are world leaders are really satanists hell bent on bringing the antichrist to power. I am merely saying that the ritual at Bohemian Grove is not a stanic ritual. Do are world leaders have to be doing this ritual? Hell no!

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[edit on 27 May 09 by Gools]

I have seen this one too. You make a good point as to why the burning ritual is called "The Cremation of Care", but this could also be interpreted as them burning any care they have left in them for the next 12 months ahead, until they come back to the Grove to do it again.

Also, the word "she" is used a lot when describing nature, but also for many other things, from countries to cars, so this is open to debate, but i do agree that they are worshipping nature to an extent. One of the supposed plans of the Illuminati is to kill off much of the human population, and bring it down to a figure of 500,000. Therefore, letting nature flourish.

Although Alex does put a lot into the documentary, remember that he was only there for one day, i believe the event lasts about a week. So, even though we see many strange things happening from that night he was there, one can only wonder what went on in the other days!

It has been stated several times, in other threads regarding the Grove, that everything going on there seems to have a classical theme to them, and that the events are nothing more than classical representation of old legends and such. I'm not very familiar with the subject, but all the pictures shown of different people dressed up in different kinds of costumes, the names of the camps, even the owl, were easily explained as being associated with the classical stories. If that is the case, I think the place you be extremely fun to be at and I could see why people would go there to "get away" and enjoy a "fantasy camp" kind of thing.

yep thats why its so secret, becouse theres nothing going on there.....

...nope not a single thing.....

....move along please.....

Originally posted by nukunuku
yep thats why its so secret, becouse theres nothing going on there.....

Or maybe it's so that the people attending can avoid media scrutiny? You gotta understand that people that attend seem to be in the spotlight all freaking day long. Maybe they go there to get away from all that, and hence the privacy and security.

so when they have some free time instead of spending it with their families or somehing of similar nature they go perform mock child sacrifice in KKK robes in front of the owl statue.....good for them....

Originally posted by nukunuku
so when they have some free time instead of spending it with their families or somehing of similar nature they go perform mock child sacrifice in KKK robes in front of the owl statue.....good for them....

Firstly, you don't know that it's a mock CHILD sacrifice, and you don't know that they wear KKK robes, so don't start spreading false information. The idea here is to understand the truth, and get to the bottom of it, not to add to the existing plethora of misinformation.

Sebatwerk, I see where you are coming from on both aspects of your last post. I would like to think the the president of the U.S. (or any other counrty for that matter,) would be the most highly guarded person in the world. I could see how the stress from the nations problems could get to someone, hence relaxing at a camp for a week out of the year.

I also find it a little odd that they cannot be straight-foward about this topic though. The David Gergan interview by Alex Jones (admittedly, it was wrong for him to suprise him in the manner he did,) was insightful. Everything was going fine with the interview until Jones askes about Bohemian Grove.

If someone of a high stature were disclose a little more about what goes on there, I'm sure we'd all feel better about it.

I have a movie that was made by The Discovery Channel about Lawrence King from the mid-1990's that was never released that is all about the Boho club. The lawyer for the people involved in this movie, John DeCamp, later came on Alex Jones' radio show (I also have audio of this,) and disclosed that back then he didn't know that the Bohemian Grove was the place of all these accusations. Wild accusations. Accusations that David Icke makes on his website about George H.W. Bush as well.

I don't think anyone can explain the "Golden Children" of Bohemian Grove. It's beyond explaination.

Originally posted by Enigmatic Debris
I also find it a little odd that they cannot be straight-foward about this topic though. The David Gergan interview by Alex Jones (admittedly, it was wrong for him to suprise him in the manner he did,) was insightful. Everything was going fine with the interview until Jones askes about Bohemian Grove.

Honestly, I do too. But, unlike most people on this forum, I don't jump to conclusions about it. I always think that the simplest explanation is probably the most likely, and no explanation given on this forum really fits that description.

I don't think anyone can explain the "Golden Children" of Bohemian Grove. It's beyond explaination.

Classical theme?

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Enigmatic Debris
I also find it a little odd that they cannot be straight-foward about this topic though. The David Gergan interview by Alex Jones (admittedly, it was wrong for him to suprise him in the manner he did,) was insightful. Everything was going fine with the interview until Jones askes about Bohemian Grove.

Honestly, I do too. But, unlike most people on this forum, I don't jump to conclusions about it. I always think that the simplest explanation is probably the most likely, and no explanation given on this forum really fits that description.

I don't think anyone can explain the "Golden Children" of Bohemian Grove. It's beyond explaination.

Classical theme?

After seeing vast amounts of information on the subject of corruption concerning the Bilderburgers, trilaterals, CFR, Scull&Bones, Masons, Thules, Vrill, Vatican, CIA, Satanism, Illuminati, any rational, thinking human being would have to come to the conclusion that something rotten is going on at the Grove. Its where they all "Network" for world domination. Yea, its real simple!

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
After seeing vast amounts of information on the subject of corruption concerning the Bilderburgers, trilaterals, CFR, Scull&Bones, Masons, Thules, Vrill, Vatican, CIA, Satanism, Illuminati, any rational, thinking human being would have to come to the conclusion that something rotten is going on at the Grove. Its where they all "Network" for world domination. Yea, its real simple!

It has already been established that YOU would make a TERRIBLE judge, ASE. You don't even know what the meaning of 'evidence' is, so how can you say that any rational person would come to that conclusion? A rational person would come to the conclusion that most of us have come to: it's impossible to tell what's going on. Plain and simple. There's no evidence that shows anything else. So spare us your narrow viewpoints.

Comon now, I'm not saying I believe everything Alex Jones says but your theory on the matter seems like a shot in the dark, and it doesn't even make sense. Let's honor nature by sacrificing humans in front of a big owl statue.....Do you have anything to back up your claim? It's just to damn weird to think they are just thanking nature.

[edit on 15-5-2005 by d1k]

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by nukunuku
so when they have some free time instead of spending it with their families or somehing of similar nature they go perform mock child sacrifice in KKK robes in front of the owl statue.....good for them....

Firstly, you don't know that it's a mock CHILD sacrifice, and you don't know that they wear KKK robes, so don't start spreading false information. The idea here is to understand the truth, and get to the bottom of it, not to add to the existing plethora of misinformation.

oh so youre saying its a real child sacrifice?
And you must admit the robes do resemble KKK, but theyre most probably of celtic nature.

No one claims to know the facts sebat, so reload your gun before you shot yourself in the foot again

Originally posted by nukunuku
No one claims to know the facts sebat, so reload your gun before you shot yourself in the foot again

Again? It's hard to shoot myself in the foot AGAIN, when it never happened a first time...

why dont you prove that IT IS NOT a mock sacrifice, and that THEYRE NOT KKK robes, becouse it certainly looks that way. Prove that this is normal behaviour in your country, when it comes to heads of state and so forth. Then when you prove it ill know for sure theyre a bunch of looney toons.

peace

It doesn't matter if it's a Mock sacrifice or not the secrecy and security would still be the same. Now, obviously if it was a real sacrifice with anyone, child or goat or whatever, the fact is that it would not be looked at as ok with the rest of the population. However, even if it's just fake and all done as a strange but innocent party in the woods for a bunch of government officials and elitists, the fact still remains that it would not go over well with the populous.

I mean most of us here have nothing wrong with someone cutting loose a bit and maybe tying one on at the local pub, getting rowdy at a sports event, experimenting with a little S&M with you're lover, or whatever. We all understand the purpose behind doing something a little different and crazy once and a while to break up the routine and remind us that we are not dead yet. This kind of understanding however is not the same for everyone and I'm sure we're all very aware of how the differences between people, even just in their ideas, can cause massive trouble to stir.

That is why, even if it's just fun and games, why it could never, ever become common public knowledge. Too many people wouldn't accept it or allow it.

Richard Nixons an David Gergen's opinion of the Grove.

13 May 1971 President Richard Nixon: "The Bohemian Grove -- which I attend, from time to time -- it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."

11 Jun 1993 The Washington Times reports: "Presidential counsellor David Gergen resigned yesterday from the all-male Bohemian Club, three days after saying he would not run around naked at its annual Bohemian Grove encampment and insisting he would not quit. White House spokeswoman Dee Dee Myers announced the resignation along with Mr. Gergen's departure from 17 other interest groups, charities and public boards ranging from the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations."

There are over 2,700 "Bohos" (members and guests). The waiting list is about 10-15 years long (almost as bad as getting tickets to Letterman), so don't hold you breath. Most of the gatherers are American. Some of these include:

George HW Bush
Dick Cheney
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Malcolm Forbes
Gerald Ford
Newt Gingrich
Alan Greenspan
Alexander Haig
Herbert Hoover
Jack Kemp
Henry Kissinger
Richard M. Nixon, who had his own opinions of the Grove (see timeline!)
Colin Powell
Ronald Reagan
George Schultz
Caspar Weinberger
Art Linkletter
William Randolph Hearst, Jr.
Charles Scripps, of the Scripps-Howard newspaper chain
Jack Howard, also of Scripps-Howard
David M. Kennedy, history professor from Stanford Univeristy
Nathan Myhrvold, Former Chief Technology Officer, Microsoft.
Seth Shustak, astronomer, SETI Institute
Jesse H. Choper, law clerk to Chief Justice Earl Warren
John Major, former Prime Minister of U.K.
John Keegan, military historian
William Davidow, author & "Venture Capitalist"
James R. Lilley, former ambassador to China and Korea
John M. Barry, writer & scholar
William Casey, former CIA director
John Lehman, former Navy Secretary (delivered speech that claimed 200,000 Iraqis were killed in first Gulf War)
Tom Johnson, president of CNN and former publisher of the Los Angeles Times
David Gergen (although he is reportedly no longer an attendee)
A.W. Clausen of the World Bank

[edit on 16/5/2005 by Sauron]

IMHO I'm under the impression that it's a holiday camp for the folks that go, in regards to "OMG why is it so secret?", well, there are alot of exclusive places in the world. Some Golf clubs are extremely selective of their clientel (and if you're going to discuss world domination it would probably be easier in a quiet private restaurant rather that at a party with everyone on a raging bender).

When using "she" in riuals they're probable referring to nature (as has already been mentioned). Using "she" in reference to objects (like fast cars, ships and nations) comes from a deep seated reverence the human being has for the "Life giving female" that was worshipped extensively in pre-christian times, using "she" when describing an object of value is possibly a subconscious desire to attach great respect to it. Nothing to do with the "devil".

And in regards to the "KKK" like outfit, here's a link to some penitents:

www-staff.it.uts.edu.au...

The costumes pictured are black, but they are also worn in white, red and combinations of the aforementioned colours. These Penitents certainly aren't a bunch of racists with chips on their shoulders. The Bohemian Grove costumes are probably nothing more than that, costumes.

The worst accusations about Bohemian Grove is that the unknowing Elite get invited, other Grovers get them drunk (possibly drugs are involved as well,) convince them to have sex with men (mostly boys,) then use tapes & photos of this to blackmail them into advancing their agenda. I've seen some sick photos on a certain pornography website I was fowarded to that has photos from the Grove. There are accusations about child-prostitution rings being run by Grovers and consisting of kidnapped children from the surrounding area. There are accusations that they go searching for particular kinds of people, follow people around, take photos, show them to these Grovers, and if liked, can be in their hands within 24 hours. "Golden Children" are boys between the age of 8 & 12, which two certain Grovers love. Makes you wonder if they really do sacrifice children. Again, all accusations. Nothing at all to worry about. The rumors have only been around for over 100 years. Nothing to worry about.

Theyre calling nature " the mocking spirit" and how they will get their revenge on it, so i wouldnt categorize them as nature lovers exactly.


part of the ritual>

"
Fools!
Fools!
Fools!
When will ye learn
That me ye cannot slay?
Year after year ye burn me in this grove
Lifting your puny shouts of triumph to the stars.
When again you turn your faces to the marketplace
Do you not find me waiting as of old?
Fools!
Fools!
Fools to dream you conquer care.

so nature is saying you cannot defeat me fools...

Say Thou mocking spirit!
It is not all a dream
We know thou waiting for us
When this out sylvan holiday has ended
We shall meet thee and fight thee as of old
And some of us prevail against thee
And some thou shall destroy
But this too we know
Year after year within this happy grove
Our fellowship bans thee for a space
Thine malevolence which would pursue us here
Has lost its power under these friendly trees.
So shall we burn thee once again this night
And, with the flames that eat thine effigy
We shall read the sign
Midsummer sets us free!

the all mighty bohemians will fight mother nature no matter what

Ye shall burn me once again!
Not with these flames!
Which hither ye have brought
From regions where I reign
Ye fools and priests
I spit upon your fire!"

mother nature resists but eventually they burn the care and proceed to run naked in the woods chasing little boys

So what theyre doing is actually going against nature in spite of admitting it is allmighty and powerfull. Now, am i lying?