Well we know Putins ICBMs won't fail in their silos

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Lazy88


Putins more reminiscent of a wannabe Joe Stalin imho rather than evil old Adolf.

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

You didn’t address the heart of the issue. Enriching arms dealers for what. One corrupt government for another. If the Russian government would have magically replaced the Ukrainian government overnight with no war, would there have been much difference for the everyday Ukrainian?

a reply to: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

Give him time.

As to proof well there is that little ""special military operation"" reminiscent of Operation Barbarossa in reverse that is ongoing as we speak aka war and invasion of Ukraine.

You didn’t address the heart of the issue. Enriching arms dealers for what. One corrupt government for another.

What would you have me do to address the issue? LoL

Change the basic paradigm humanity has followed throughout recorded history.

I'll get right on that, ok?

If the Russian government would have magically replaced the Ukrainian government overnight with no war, would there have been much difference for the everyday Ukrainian?

Not being from Ukraine, i could not really say with any sort of certainty.

You would need to take that up with them.

But i dont think they want to surrender or capitulate just yet.

And what is an everyday Ukrainian?

People and opinions are apt to vary you see, here, there, and everywhere else.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Give him time.

So no.

originally posted by: andy06shake

What would you have me do to address the issue? LoL

Then quote where you posted how the Ukraine is any less corrupt.

originally posted by: andy06shake


Not being from Ukraine, i could not really say with any sort of certainty.

You could start with their constitutions, standard of living before the war, the countries ratings on corruption and human rights before the war. Things all measured and recorded.

a reply to: andy06shake





www.transparency.org...

What is there to be gained for the security of the USA by the Biden Administration dumping billions into one corrupt country over another.

US arms makers have a business and working lab to test their arms…. Hmm.. While thousands die.

originally posted by: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

How many deaths, lives ruined, families destroyed, whole towns wiped off the map, a lifetime of injuries, etc. does one need to cause before they are seen as evil?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

How many deaths, lives ruined, families destroyed, whole towns wiped off the map, a lifetime of injuries, etc. does one need to cause before they are seen as evil?

Vs supplying the arms that cause the deaths? And backing just as a corrupt government?

How do you decide the lesser of two evils?

Is this war in the context of US security worth billions of dollars. That is the real question for the USA.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Unfortunately. Life is like this. I could give everting I have to fight world hunger until I’m destitute. I wouldn’t make a difference in the scheme of things and be left without the means to care for my child.

With the USA 30 trillion in debt, and interest payments reaching a trillion dollars. How is going more in debt for the Ukraine really making the world more secure, especially for citizens of the USA.

originally posted by: Lazy88

How do you decide the lesser of two evils?

Is this war in the context of US security worth billions of dollars? That is the real question for the USA.

Putin was the one to invade on false pretenses. He just wants Ukraine back under mother Russia for many gains and thought it would be a 2 week war with hardly a bullet fired like his 18 other wars. We can start there...

As to cost, a proxy war of attrition is about the cheapest war we could have.

originally posted by: Lazy88

With the USA 30 trillion in debt, and interest payments reaching a trillion dollars. How is going more in debt for the Ukraine really making the world more secure, especially for citizens of the USA.

Are we really going into debt over Ukraine? The money is not given, they are loans in the form of military aid, and much of it is older equipment we are selling to them in those loan agreements.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Still doesn’t answer how the war in the Ukraine is benefiting the security of the USA.

Shrugs…

To date, we have provided approximately $64.1 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $66.9 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $31.733 billion from DoD stockpiles.


www.state.gov...#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

Biden Administration Moves to Forgive $4.7 Billion of Loans to Ukraine


By Reuters
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Nov. 20, 2024

www.usnews.com...

The Pentagon Isn’t Buying Enough Ammo
Munitions procurements are woefully insufficient for modern war.

foreignpolicy.com...

Unfortunately, the Defense Department’s budget request for fiscal year 2025, which asks for $1.2 billion less than last year for key conventional precision-guided munitions, belies these claims. The Pentagon cannot continue to kick the can down the road and promise to buy more munitions next year. Supplemental appropriations are needed to replenish inventories of weapons given to partners and expended during operations in the Middle East, but on their own, they are a Band-Aid that will not fix the fundamental problem of production levels that do not match the intensity of modern warfare. The Pentagon needs to consistently buy more of the right weapons to support allies and partners, deal with the threats it faces today, and deter future challenges.

a reply to: Xtrozero

When does the US stop borrowing to loan and give money to other countries. At what interest rate compared to the interest on the US debt.

originally posted by: Lazy88

Still doesn’t answer how the war in the Ukraine is benefiting the security of the USA.

Shrugs…

The stability of EU and NATO countries. If not draw a line in Ukraine where would you draw a line as Russia works to get the old team back one country at a time? If you want to go full isolationist that is fine, but the world would erupt in many directions. So the question is this more about Ukraine or the stability of the EU?

a reply to: Xtrozero

The EU any more or less stable at this time?

originally posted by: Lazy88

When does the US stop borrowing to loan and give money to other countries. At what interest rate compared to the interest on the US debt.

I hope you bitched more about the 5 trillion for 20 years of wars in two countries, trillions wasted in the pandemic that wasn't needed to spend if we did things right, or the Trillions wasted that I hope Musk helps reduce. But it seems you are more concerned about the interest rate of 61 billion...geez

a reply to: Xtrozero

I asked when it stops.

originally posted by: Lazy88

The EU any more or less stable at this time?

Well yes...Putin said in the past that Poland was next along with other smaller countries. At least it is contained in Ukraine. It doesn't matter what you think the stability of the EU is like today, it would be much worse if we did nothing.

originally posted by: Lazy88

I asked when it stops.

Never...Talk to Putin when is he going to stop taking countries, or when China is going to stop eyeing other countries, or NK is willing to stop, or Iran wants to be friends, or so many others....

originally posted by: Xtrozero

If not draw a line

It’s posted that Putin will do everything from invade a NATO country to use nukes. What red line do you believe and why?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

I asked when it stops.

Never...

Then the US budget is unsustainable. So never say never because the spending will reach the end one way or another. How is that latest budget working out for the USSR?

originally posted by: Lazy88

It’s posted the Putin will do everything from invade a NATO countries to use nukes. What red line do you believe and why?

Supporting Ukraine in a proxy war of attrition is the cheapest way to counter Putin's aggression. In that situation, there is no Red line needed. So Putin takes Ukraine spends a decade getting healthy again then goes after Poland, now you have a red line crossed, US troops in Europe, a massive war, and trillions more spent.