Well we know Putins ICBMs won't fail in their silos

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Lazy88


Putins more reminiscent of a wannabe Joe Stalin imho rather than evil old Adolf.

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

You didn’t address the heart of the issue. Enriching arms dealers for what. One corrupt government for another. If the Russian government would have magically replaced the Ukrainian government overnight with no war, would there have been much difference for the everyday Ukrainian?

a reply to: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

Give him time.

As to proof well there is that little ""special military operation"" reminiscent of Operation Barbarossa in reverse that is ongoing as we speak aka war and invasion of Ukraine.

You didn’t address the heart of the issue. Enriching arms dealers for what. One corrupt government for another.

What would you have me do to address the issue? LoL

Change the basic paradigm humanity has followed throughout recorded history.

I'll get right on that, ok?

If the Russian government would have magically replaced the Ukrainian government overnight with no war, would there have been much difference for the everyday Ukrainian?

Not being from Ukraine, i could not really say with any sort of certainty.

You would need to take that up with them.

But i dont think they want to surrender or capitulate just yet.

And what is an everyday Ukrainian?

People and opinions are apt to vary you see, here, there, and everywhere else.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Give him time.

So no.

originally posted by: andy06shake

What would you have me do to address the issue? LoL

Then quote where you posted how the Ukraine is any less corrupt.

originally posted by: andy06shake


Not being from Ukraine, i could not really say with any sort of certainty.

You could start with their constitutions, standard of living before the war, the countries ratings on corruption and human rights before the war. Things all measured and recorded.

a reply to: andy06shake





www.transparency.org...

What is there to be gained for the security of the USA by the Biden Administration dumping billions into one corrupt country over another.

US arms makers have a business and working lab to test their arms…. Hmm.. While thousands die.

originally posted by: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

How many deaths, lives ruined, families destroyed, whole towns wiped off the map, a lifetime of injuries, etc. does one need to cause before they are seen as evil?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

So. Is Putin responsible of genocide like Stalin? Got proof.

How many deaths, lives ruined, families destroyed, whole towns wiped off the map, a lifetime of injuries, etc. does one need to cause before they are seen as evil?

Vs supplying the arms that cause the deaths? And backing just as a corrupt government?

How do you decide the lesser of two evils?

Is this war in the context of US security worth billions of dollars. That is the real question for the USA.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Unfortunately. Life is like this. I could give everting I have to fight world hunger until I’m destitute. I wouldn’t make a difference in the scheme of things and be left without the means to care for my child.

With the USA 30 trillion in debt, and interest payments reaching a trillion dollars. How is going more in debt for the Ukraine really making the world more secure, especially for citizens of the USA.

originally posted by: Lazy88

How do you decide the lesser of two evils?

Is this war in the context of US security worth billions of dollars? That is the real question for the USA.

Putin was the one to invade on false pretenses. He just wants Ukraine back under mother Russia for many gains and thought it would be a 2 week war with hardly a bullet fired like his 18 other wars. We can start there...

As to cost, a proxy war of attrition is about the cheapest war we could have.

originally posted by: Lazy88

With the USA 30 trillion in debt, and interest payments reaching a trillion dollars. How is going more in debt for the Ukraine really making the world more secure, especially for citizens of the USA.

Are we really going into debt over Ukraine? The money is not given, they are loans in the form of military aid, and much of it is older equipment we are selling to them in those loan agreements.