Thousands of Protesters March in NYC -- ‘Donald Trump Has Got To Go’

originally posted by: Athetos
Being created equal has nothing to do with the being treated equal tho.

All cars for example are created in the same fashion but their treatment depends on the owner.

All humans are also created equal but how they are treated after their creation is anyone’s guess.
a reply to: TzarChasm

Be that as it may, federal agency is expected to exert reasonable force when dealing with protestors regardless of citizenship status. Human rights are predicated on being human, not being American. Although being a citizen certainly helps in many cases. Should these migrants be apprehended while breaking the law then naturally they should be returned to their nation of origin. Protest is not a crime.

a reply to: network dude

I understand your right leaning opinion; it is a valid opinion that can fit the "facts".

The thing is I also understand the left leaning opinions on the subject and believe they are also valid opinions that can fit the "facts".

Personal I don't know what to believe on the subject; Donald Trump is no paragon of virtue by any stretch of the imagination; but at the same time the left did not make a believable case against him. Under such circumstances I tend to give the individual the benefit of the doubt and choose not to condemn the innocent just for the hope of bringing the guilty to justice. The left made a strategic error by throwing everything against the wall in the hopes that something would stick. Even if one of their arguments are true, they have tanted it by all the other failed arguments.



I don't believe we can remain devide. The divergent realities are not sustainable; they will fall one way or another. I hope it's by someone or some group emerging that will put a stop to the gaslighting... the alternative wont be pretty.

originally posted by: TzarChasm


Be that as it may, federal agency is expected to exert reasonable force when dealing with protestors regardless of citizenship status. Human rights are predicated on being human, not being American. Although being a citizen certainly helps in many cases. Should these migrants be apprehended while breaking the law then naturally they should be returned to their nation of origin. Protest is not a crime.

I agree, sadly most of the criminal actions done by illegals has been in blue states with sanctuary cities, where it seems federal government have no say so.

Very interesting indeed, plus blue state with soro money backed judges, prosecutors, are soft on crimes.

I still cannot believe how the governors in those states can be protecting illegal criminals over the safety of hard taxpayer citizens, they are all traitors to the nation and to the constitution.

Now they are declaring war on Trump, all of the should be brough on charges of sedition.

a reply to: marg6043

There's a distinction between migrants who are non violently exercising the same rights they observe in American citizens, and migrants who are evidently and gleefully abusing our society.

a reply to: TzarChasm

For democrats it goes this way, they will protect any illegal, no matter if is a criminal, pedo, drug trafficker, sex trafficker, mental incapacitated, as long as they can handle them a pen and a ballot to vote for democrat.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: marg6043

There's a distinction between migrants who are non violently exercising the same rights they observe in American citizens, and migrants who are evidently and gleefully abusing our society.

No. There is a distinction between migrants and illeagle aliens. Migrants came in legally. Illeagle aliens
are not migrants. You are confusing the two.

originally posted by: Vermilion

It’s an easy fix…

60 minutes: Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families?

Tom Homan: "Of course there is. Families can be deported together."

Put Tom Homan in charge of ICE!
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a reply to: 777Vader

Ruby Ridge too.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: andy06shake

The economy was better before this recent Migrant influx. 😄

According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump’s advisers are evaluating strategies that could involve declaring a national emergency, granting access to Pentagon resources like military facilities for detention and military aircraft to expedite deportations.

it's happening, we can do this easy or really easy

I think these protests should be applauded. I have been a participant in dozens of protests in my 66 years. I have been in the awkward position of supporting the rights of racists to legally speak their minds. That's where it really becomes dicey -- when you honor the First Amendment, and allow those you are vehemently opposed to, to speak their minds. I hated these people for what the espoused, but supported their Constitutional right to Free Speech.

Thus, as long as the protests are non-violent, and have approved permits where required, I say, let your wild self buck. I can remember protests in which the police clubbed people, and used tear gas. I like to think we've progressed much further than those times. I think people should have the free right to protest, and especially when I disagree with them, their rights should be inviolate.

a reply to: argentus

One problem that needs to be addressed. Many if not most of the Protestors are not understanding what they are even doing. Most big protest organizers are instigators, not fundamentalists. Many "in the crowds" may not even be Migrants in Limbo. Many are paid demonstrators. 🥶️ We all need to remember that. We saw what the Floyd chain riots did.

a reply to: xuenchen

I hear you. When once we were young, did we really know what we were doing? NoSSir. We were reacting to what we felt, and being moved by that which we wanted to change. I don't agree with these protestor's view, but I stand with their right to say it, and to feel it, and to want change.

Like you, I suspect "agent provocateurs", just occasionally, for lack of a better term, where people are incited or paid to make a point. Those folk, wherever they exist, are the bottom of the bucket for me. I blow my nose with one finger in their general direction. They are dollar whores, who act out a political role for pay. Shameful.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: marg6043

There's a distinction between migrants who are non violently exercising the same rights they observe in American citizens, and migrants who are evidently and gleefully abusing our society.

No. There is a distinction between migrants and illeagle aliens. Migrants came in legally. Illeagle aliens
are not migrants. You are confusing the two.

I'm trying to be charitable because the situation is not black and white as politics would make it seem and many of these "visitors" were deceived, manipulated, exploited and will eventually be discarded. They shouldn't be punished for their predicament. Be gracious even if stern about border policy and national security which obviously supercedes their wrongful invitation. It's called humanity.

....and it looks like 200-300 paid "protesters"

They would kill you if they could.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: marg6043

There's a distinction between migrants who are non violently exercising the same rights they observe in American citizens, and migrants who are evidently and gleefully abusing our society.

No. There is a distinction between migrants and illeagle aliens. Migrants came in legally. Illeagle aliens
are not migrants. You are confusing the two.

I'm trying to be charitable because the situation is not black and white as politics would make it seem and many of these "visitors" were deceived, manipulated, exploited and will eventually be discarded. They shouldn't be punished for their predicament. Be gracious even if stern about border policy and national security which obviously supercedes their wrongful invitation. It's called humanity.

Some broke the law some did not. That is how the law works.

Your charity to those illegals gets some of them and others killed. Where is the humanity in that?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

and these are the kind of discussions we need to be having, and it's really important that we are allowed to have them and not be shut down by idiots.

again, if you listed to Trump and not just imagined what he said, he wants to go after the criminals. Murderer, rapists, human trafficker's. Bad people.

Let's be honest and practical here. We can discuss and debate until the cows come home BUT Trump and the American people collectively discussed and debated this issue for years throughout his campaign Trump made it clear, they all go. Trump won the debate after years of discussions. This has now become a mandate.

Inside Trump’s plan to deport ‘nearly 20 million’ illegal migrants from the US

15 to 20 million to be deported

Trump made it clear and the process and the numbers were extensively reported and Trump won big.

Trump explains his militaristic plan to deport 15-20 million people

MANDATE-illegals must go and come back legally


This last link is from 2023!
Trump has been having this discussion for years, Americans are sick and tired of the excuses given for allowing people from all over the world to enter our country illegally. The worst of the illegals will be targeted first and so on and so forth. REMEMBER- Trump said in the last weeks and days leading up to the election that the border was, in his mind, the number one issue- so there is no mistaking it- this is what we voted for!

Trump then repeated the use of “poisoning” in a post on his social media website Truth Social, saying overnight in an all-caps post, that “illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation. They’re coming from prisons, from mental institutions — from all over the world.”

The term “blood poisoning” was used by Hitler in his manifesto “Mein Kampf,” in which he criticized immigration and the mixing of races. “All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning,” Hitler wrote.

The msm went in full throttle to vilify Trump and Americans gave him a mandate

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

and these are the kind of discussions we need to be having, and it's really important that we are allowed to have them and not be shut down by idiots.

It will be so amazing to see how the border issues are resolved by the Trump administration. We both love our country and want the best. I am looking forward to the myriad of policy changes Trump campaigned on.

when it's under control, and the rest of the public figures out it happened with only executive order, and negotiation with other nations, they might start to see they have been lied to, and on top of that, were tricked into lying for the liars. If reality counts for anything, the left will have a difficult time explaining how the border got fixed. They will likely go back to the kids in cages thing.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

and these are the kind of discussions we need to be having, and it's really important that we are allowed to have them and not be shut down by idiots.

It will be so amazing to see how the border issues are resolved by the Trump administration. We both love our country and want the best. I am looking forward to the myriad of policy changes Trump campaigned on.

when it's under control, and the rest of the public figures out it happened with only executive order, and negotiation with other nations, they might start to see they have been lied to, and on top of that, were tricked into lying for the liars. If reality counts for anything, the left will have a difficult time explaining how the border got fixed. They will likely go back to the kids in cages thing.

Couldn't have said it better. That day cannot come soon enough, but we can rest assured it's coming.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: marg6043

There's a distinction between migrants who are non violently exercising the same rights they observe in American citizens, and migrants who are evidently and gleefully abusing our society.

No. There is a distinction between migrants and illeagle aliens. Migrants came in legally. Illeagle aliens
are not migrants. You are confusing the two.

I'm trying to be charitable because the situation is not black and white as politics would make it seem and many of these "visitors" were deceived, manipulated, exploited and will eventually be discarded. They shouldn't be punished for their predicament. Be gracious even if stern about border policy and national security which obviously supercedes their wrongful invitation. It's called humanity.

Some broke the law some did not. That is how the law works.

Your charity to those illegals gets some of them and others killed. Where is the humanity in that?

Not all immigrants are violent criminals and some should be approached kindly, not as a menace to society.

Tom Homan says priority will be on Criminal Migrants. He has experience. He has knowledge. 🔐