Thousands of Protesters March in NYC -- ‘Donald Trump Has Got To Go’

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Ive said my piece fringeofthefringe.

And what i think will happen.

Good luck shifting 11 million people who probably don't want to be shifted.

Frankly, thats going to cost an arm and a leg.

And it's your tax payers that are apt to foot the bill as far as i can establish.

Doing it will be profitable.
It costs vastly more money to pay for illegal immigrants to stay than it does to deport them.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

A lot of these illegals work UKTruth.

And contribute to society.

Taking away their benefit and payments, shelter, and food, may not have the desired effect.

As to the putting them on buses and planes plan, well if it was trains that would be rather reminiscent of the Holocaust so.............

Purge is exactly what it would amount to keeping in mind that a significant percentage won't want to comply and given where they hail from most likely armed to the teeth.

A recipe for disaster really.

You make yourself sound foolish by invoking the Holocaust in relation to deportation.

To give you a bit more context - which you are clearly lacking.

Clinton deported 12 million illegals - for three straight years he was averaging close to 2m deported per year.
Bush deported 10 million
Obama deported 5 million

Illegal aliens are criminals, and the only correct course of action is to deport them.

To liken a country enforcing it's borders to putting citizens in concentration camps and gassing them to death is not just moronic, but bordering on insanity.

If we give those who wish to, the ability to work, pay taxes, become part of the United States of America, give them a way to become citizens, and be able to vote, without demeaning them

I think a lot more thought needs to go into this, before any knees jerk.

a reply to: network dude

I don't think we should do that, I think they must come in legally. I would also say, respecting your viewpoint, that I really couldn't care less if someone who comes into our country illegally feels demeaned because they get deported. This is an old tired recycled argument rather than a knee jerk response. Reagan got played in 1986, that is a long time ago and here we are in 2024 talking about it again. I want our laws enforced and I want people to stop saying our immigration system is broken because when I hear that it reminds me of "safe and effective" . If the msm says something often enough people will be in a trance and just repeat it. When a country allows foreigners to enter their country illegally and protect them with sanctuary cities, house them, feed them and give them money it is wrong, morally, spiritually and legally and needs to stop. We are the greatest, least racist country with the best immigration system in the world and if foreigners cannot respect that they should not come here. People who do it right and become naturalized are the model NOT illegals wanting amnesty. I respect your perspective but disagree, this argument-the discussions and debates are over. Trump has a mandate to fix this invasion and he is starting with the worst and eventually get to as many as possible.

originally posted by: network dude

I had a thought about Mike Rowe working with some educators to start up some trade based charter schools, if the school choice movement worked out. Just think of a way for kids to try out all the different trades, and perhaps find one they love, are good at, and want to do for the rest of their lives. Most don't get the chance to try all those things unless they luck into a job that they enjoy. And if those kids go all the way through, and don't like that kind of work, they can go to college and become anything they like, but they will have tried those other things, and at the very least, have an understanding of what they entail. I sent Mike a message about it, but who would listen to a fat white guy in rural NC.

The reality is 50% of the population have an IQ above 100 and 50% have an IQ below 100. There is nothing wrong with that, but lower IQ people take longer to learn things and they typically do well in only one or two careers fields that tend to be trades kills. We as a population have totally forgotten about 50% of the population as people say that EVERYONE needs to go to college, and so, what did the colleges do? They dumbed down their degree programs, and so many people get some crappy degree that does not align with anything in the market, then get 40k in debt, and end up as a barista.

Then we have the guy that couldn't pass a single class in college end up running a small concrete company after working in that trade skill for a number of years, and end up making 250k a year and pay the salary of 10 people.

originally posted by: andy06shake

And again, the logistics involved in moving 11 million people most likely to somewhere they do not wish to go is going to be rather problematic.

Why is the comprehension in this area for liberals so damn nonexistent?

Mexico allowed them to travel by bus and train through their country to here. Why do you see it as an issue for them to just travel back to the HOME country by bus and train as they did to come here in the first place? Also, the way asylum works is you go to the nearest country and claim there, not trek across Mexico and other countries to end up at our borders claiming it. They should be claiming it in Mexico, but the liberals just let it happen. And for Mexicans trying to claim asylum would be like Canadians doing the same. Mexico and Canadia would not be on the list of countries that fall into the asylum category. This means if you do it right from the start, maybe Cuba and a few others would even meet the requirements in the first place. Liberals just ignored all that.

Sending people back to their HOME country is something we have done many times in the past and was once a big Liberal thing to do, what changed?

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

and these are the kind of discussions we need to be having, and it's really important that we are allowed to have them and not be shut down by idiots.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: andy06shake

And again, the logistics involved in moving 11 million people most likely to somewhere they do not wish to go is going to be rather problematic.

Why is the comprehension in this area for liberals so damn nonexistent?

Waiting to be told he's not a "liberal", because over there, they call it the "poofter party" or some such thing.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

and these are the kind of discussions we need to be having, and it's really important that we are allowed to have them and not be shut down by idiots.

It will be so amazing to see how the border issues are resolved by the Trump administration. We both love our country and want the best. I am looking forward to the myriad of policy changes Trump campaigned on.

Why is soo hard for darn liberals to understand that the reason they lost the election by a red wave was the policies that they are trying to hold too and protect soo much.

America voted, and we do not want illegals in our country, take them all out back to the border

Democrats loves, drug cartels, prostitution, child sex traffickers, criminals, rapers and more, running free in our cites targeting our children, America voted against all that.

Why is soo hard to understand this.

originally posted by: andy06shake
As to the putting them on buses and planes plan, well if it was trains that would be rather reminiscent of the Holocaust so.............

That's absurd.

Wanting to kick 20 million illegals out of a country that isn't their own, and that they entered by breaking the law ... is not even close to the same as mass murdering 6 million Jews because of their ethnicity, and they were citizens of those countries and they had never broken the law.

Absolutely absurd to compare the two. Ridiculous.

originally posted by: marg6043
Why is soo hard for darn liberals to understand that the reason they lost the election by a red wave was the policies that they are trying to hold too and protect soo much.

Because they live in echo chambers and they simply can not accept or understand how anyone thinks differently then they do.

Conservatives do this too.

I have been learking on 100% liberal and 100% conservative message boards the last week interested in their reactions. It's like they are talking about two completely different countries/people.

a reply to: Dandandat3

Is more than that, is in the brink of madness, I am a women, with a family, how can I be pro criminals, terrorist, sex child traffickers, prostitution that BTW is running wild in the streets of NY, drugs cartels, that BTW since Biden and Kamala has been in power it went from millions in profits to billions now, I am no blind, I know what goes around me in my streets, in my neighborhood, all around.

Please do not tell me that liberals that voted for kamala want all that in our country, the open border has been a facilitator to all of the above.

And did you heard anybody in democrat party addressing any of the above during campaign? crickets, making them look that all of the above is what they want for America. They want to defund the police and give criminals a break, including illegals. What in the hell is wrong with democrats.

The democrats actions of open borders is nothing but the most dangerous thing they have done to America.

Is NYC safe? NYPD releases new crime rate data

NYC crime stats: April
According to NYPD statistics, overall April crime was down in the Big Apple by 4.9% compared to the same month last year.

Crime year-to-date is trending downward in 2024: From Jan. 1, 2024, to April 28, 2024, the NYPD reported 37.8K major crimes (murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny and grand larceny auto). In that same period in 2023, the agency logged approximately 39K major crimes.The city's subways have been the focus of most New Yorkers' crime anxieties, but according to the MTA, overall crime is down on the rails.

"Major crimes in the nation’s largest subway system plummeted another 23%, continuing a downward trend that saw previous transit system decreases of 15.4% in February and 23.5% in March," the NYPD said in a press release.

Hate crimes in total are up 39%, and hate crimes targeting Jewish and Muslim populations have doubled. This spike is "not unrelated to current geopolitics," the NYPD said. man was arrested for allegedly punching a 9-year-old girl in the face at Grand Central Terminal. According to police, the girl was standing near her mother in the dining concourse when the suspect, identified as 30-year-old Jeancarlos Zarzuela, approached and punched her.

www.fox5ny.com...

Is this what NY voted for? do you know that the EOC district is now a third world country

I call it madness, the people that went out in the streets to protect deportations is the same criminals, drug cartels, gangs that are now running and ruining NY.

Please tell me how democrats can vote for this

a reply to: andy06shake

The economy was better before this recent Migrant influx. 😄

a reply to: marg6043

Liberals would listen to your arguments about sexual abusers on the streets of NY and wonder how you can reconcile that with willingly sending a convicted rapest to the white house.

Two different countries.

a reply to: Dandandat3

Really? tell me when he was convicted of rape, please share with the rest of us.

originally posted by: Station27
Some of the protestors were marching for reproductive rights. I still don't get it - what do abortions reproduce but more dead babies?

And it's their brains. Why don't they use them? Trump can't do anything about abortions now since Roe -vs- Wade was struck down. That took the Federal government, (of which the office of the President is a part of), right out of the equation.

No one ever said Democrat voters were informed.

Democrat media and the Democrat "education" system see to that.

a reply to: marg6043

It's not my argument it's theirs. You would need to ask them if you are really interested in understanding their thought processes.

But I suspect it has to do with a combination of the access hollywood audio clearly showing that Donald Trump at least fantasies about violating women; the e jean carroll case wherein Trump was found to be civilly liable for sexual assault; and Trump's remarks in the final weeks of the election were he said he would do what he wants "whether the women like it or not".

You don't need to argue with me about how none of that is true. I fully accept that you do not think any of that is ture and I believe you are free to have your own opinion on the subject.

I am just pointing out that a major minority of the country do not agree with you and do believe Donald Trump is a rapest... and they believe you a "women, with a family" voted to send a rapest to the white house.

You live in different realities and you can't attempt to understand the other untill you accept this fact and come to a resolution from a completely different angle (or not if you just want to keep fighting with these people).

originally posted by: Dandandat3
a reply to: marg6043

It's not my argument it's theirs. You would need to ask them if you are really interested in understanding their thought processes.

But I suspect it has to do with a combination of the access hollywood audio clearly showing that Donald Trump at least fantasies about violating women; the e jean carroll case wherein Trump was found to be civilly liable for sexual assault; and Trump's remarks in the final weeks of the election were he said he would do what he wants "whether the women like it or not".

You don't need to argue with me about how none of that is true. I fully accept that you do not think any of that is ture and I believe you are free to have your own opinion on the subject.

I am just pointing out that a major minority of the country do not agree with you and do believe Donald Trump is a rapest... and they believe you a "women, with a family" voted to send a rapest to the white house.

You live in different realities and you can't attempt to understand the other untill you accept this fact and come to a resolution from a completely different angle (or not if you just want to keep fighting with these people).

As I am on the right, I may well be living in some echo chamber reality. But in my reality, that was all manufactured to achieve the result of keeping him from winning, not protecting the public from his accounting team categorizing checks in ways the left doesn't like.

Will we just remain this divided forever, or will someone emerge who can stop the gaslighting on the MSM? Or am I just not understanding how dangerous Trump is to women, as he might just grab them by the puss?

a reply to: network dude

We do not need to look any further on Trumps bugus DOJ and state witch hunt cases, they has been drop like hot cakes since he won the election.

No because he is the president but because after the DOJ corruption if taken over no will stick anymore.

This is the reason Kamala and democrats got any voters at all, it is corruption in blue states and also illegal voting.

Look closely, what all those states have in common