The Consequences of a TRUMP win will be disastrous to world peace

a reply to: Freeborn

Guess we’ll just have to wait for another “Pearl Harbor” before we end the appeasement then.

Did I get this WW2 analogy right?

originally posted by: Freeborn

Everything?
You know that isn't true.

You suggested Hitler half a dozen times already. Russia is in no place to pull a Hitler and Putin would need to be bat-ass crazy to try.

Please tell me exactly how ceding Donbas to Russia is not just like giving the Sudetenland to Hitler?
Russia's claims to the region are incredibly similar and the justification for allowing the land grab are similar too.

So, what do you suggest? Just keep slogging along in a WWI-style war, but with drones. What is your end game then, just to keep the old meat grinder going?

The last time we tried this it ended very badly and this has the potential to ending just as badly. Putin has his eyes on far more than just this little piece of Ukraine.

Putin can sit in Ukraine for the next ten years taking inch by inch and then he has the whole country. Putin wants a land bridge to the Black Sea, and that will most likely end the war.

Also, when you say end badly define that just a little. What is your worst-case scenario? You need to remember Ukraine wasn't part of NATO and it would be a death sentence to Putin to try a NATO country.

This will be a never-ending war, and if NATO had balls, they would have gone in well over a year ago, so what else is there but to funnel 10s of billions over and over into a very corrupt nation just hoping something internally happens in Russia to change it all? What other choice is there? It's a lose-lose right now with no winners.

originally posted by: DUNE2
There is an increasing fear growing in Europe and definitely in Taiwan that a Trump administration will mean that Russia will eventually win out and fully take over Ukraine .
My prediction for Ukraine is that early in the new year when Trump has just been sworn in, Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons to bring Ukraine to its knees, knowing Trump hasn't got the stomach to respond in kind, this then leads Russia to go and threaten the surrounding countries .
China viewing all this chaos will see it as a perfect opportunity to launch its invasion of Taiwan, knowing how Trump has sold out Ukraine to the Russians.
www.france24.com...

Very Dark days ahead

You're implying Russia is afraid of what Biden will do to them this year, or a President Harris will do to them next year? You must have access to some intelligence that is for your eyes only.

What (most of) THE WORLD wants, is a return to peace-treaties being signed, like we saw during the Trump years.

a reply to: DUNE2
Yup.

Just like last time!
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: putnam6

2024 PA MAIL IN REQUESTS
🔵Dems: 69.3%
🔴GOP: 30.7% (+4.3%)


2024 PA MAIL IN BALLOT RETURNS
🔵Dems: 79.5%
🔴GOP: 20.5% (+5%)

How does one request 69% but then get 79% returns

Hey you caught it too, Lol could be a typo but....maybe not

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Guess we’ll just have to wait for another “Pearl Harbor” before we end the appeasement then.

WWII started well before Pearl Harbour.

I guess some people just want to see history repeat itself.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's not just the Black Sea Putin is targetting - the coup attempts across Eastern and Central Europe and occupied enclaves since 2008 (Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Oblasts, Ossetias are part of a much wider strategy of divide and conquer on multiple fronts with Ukraine only playing a small part.

Since last year Russia has attempted coups in Germany, Lithuania, Armenia, Moldova, Montenegro, Tajikistan and across Africa (Sudan to Niger 'coup belt'). The tactics since Georgia war in 2008 have been to take over small enclaves militarily and then plan coups, training, weapons smuggling and buying votes via major money laundering bribes or hiring mafias/ocgs to threaten people.

A lot of the key elections in those countries about joining EU and electing next Presidents occur this week and things may calm down after that or break out into more formal conflicts.

a reply to: JadedGhost

As much as you people love to bring it up, Trump was never as close to Project 2025 as you want to think he was.

How is Trump's Schedule F any different than Biden only hiring from the DEI spectrum? It's still a prejudice based hiring, but one still looks at qualification, not just the perception of "inclusion". Why would Trump want to keep people around that only sought to undermine him at every turn? Why not fill your admin with the people that are going to back you on every idea and be there to give you the support you need? That's just good business, almost like he knows how to run a business. And guess what, as much as you and other like you don't want to admit it, the US Government is nothing but a business.


Trump never said to attack the Capitol, no matter how many times you try to say he did. He challenged the election, as has almost every other losing candidate in the last 30 years. The few fanatics that actually attacked the capitol did so on their own volition. When Trump heard that they were storming the capitol, he tried to get his driver to turn around so he could go back and return order.

There has yet to be any actual evidence to prove any "compromise" that connects Trump to Putin. I ask again, Why was Russia waiting to attack Ukraine until AFTER Trump left office? Almost as if Putin knew that if he had done it during Trumps admin, Trump would have glassed him and the horse he road in on. Being "friendly" with another major world leader and being compromised by him are 2 different things. But I could see where you would be confused.

The only thing nucked is kamalas brain.

a reply to: Dandandat3

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: putnam6

2024 PA MAIL IN REQUESTS
🔵Dems: 69.3%
🔴GOP: 30.7% (+4.3%)


2024 PA MAIL IN BALLOT RETURNS
🔵Dems: 79.5%
🔴GOP: 20.5% (+5%)

How does one request 69% but then get 79% returns

Hey you caught it too, Lol could be a typo but....maybe not

If i am not wrong, 69% of ballots requested were by dems. 79% of those were returned already.

originally posted by: bastion

It's not just the Black Sea Putin is targetting - the coup attempts across Eastern and Central Europe and occupied enclaves since 2008 (Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Oblasts, Ossetias are part of a much wider strategy of divide and conquer on multiple fronts with Ukraine only playing a small part.

Since last year Russia has attempted coups in Germany, Lithuania, Armenia, Moldova, Montenegro, Tajikistan and across Africa (Sudan to Niger 'coup belt'). The tactics since Georgia war in 2008 have been to take over small enclaves militarily and then plan coups, training, weapons smuggling and buying votes via major money laundering bribes or hiring mafias/ocgs to threaten people.

A lot of the key elections in those countries about joining EU and electing next Presidents occur this week and things may calm down after that or break out into more formal conflicts.

The problem is that Russia has relied on its paper dragon to take over areas and other nations with little or no resistance. They thought they could just walk into Ukraine and take over too, get rid of the so-called Nazis, and it didn't go well even with the initial small resistance.

IF the EU is so worried about Russia, then go to war and stop pussyfooting around.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Guess we’ll just have to wait for another “Pearl Harbor” before we end the appeasement then.

WWII started well before Pearl Harbour.

I guess some people just want to see history repeat itself.

Yes. I know.

But the Us didn’t enter the war until 12/7. And then and only then did the beginning of the end of the war come to pass.

How do we still have people on a page such as this that are still spitting out msm lies? I am not sure who needs to hear this but lets do it anyway.

Russian Collusion: Proven false and proven paid for by the Clinton campaign. It didnt happen, has never happened and its time to let it go. The only thing Putan and Trump have in common is neither one of them like NATO and neither want a one world government/Economy. Thats it.

Project2025: Seriously people. This is a made up agenda from the Heritage foundation. They do one every election cycle and its basically a right wing extremist wish list and has nothing to do with Trump. Trump has his agenda clearly posted on his website.

Jan6: I dont see how anyone with any available IQ points and common sense can look at that objectively and try to say Trump started that, or caused it. What caused it was rampant anomalies on election day in swing states and the fact that our government wouldn't even look at it and ask questions about it. That it.

And to be honest I fully believe that Pelosi either planned or took advantage of that. They were desperately trying to get the "insurrection" verbiage attached to Trump because that is the ONLY thing that they could use to keep him from running again legally. It was a desperate play at the expensive of the American people. It in no way was an insurrection given no one was armed and only one person was killed.

Just stop with the main stream media lies. Especially when you know they are false. A website like this of all places should be where people go that are done with the MSM.

a reply to: DUNE2

You are correct however as the posts show, it is an unpopular opinion here, despite being spot on.

I do for see China invading Taiwan and Russia possibly getting US help to continue Putin's land grab.

Not sure how Iran and Israel will play out.

I will give Trump credit if he stops supporting Israel's aggression but I find that doubtful.

I do think WWIII is likely to happen if Trump gets back in the White House.

So, the only US president to NOT get into a new war during his time in office is going to start WW3? Cool. Let's f'n go. We can start by glassing Iran and ending the Islamic rule.

China is waiting to see what Russia will do in Ukraine. Neither will side or pair with the US. This is an absurd thought. When the Ukraine war ends, there will be no way to funnel money or military spending.

Taiwan is toast.

Israel is also not aggressive. They are defensive. They are one of the oldest civilizations on the planet still here.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: DUNE2

You are correct however as the posts show, it is an unpopular opinion here, despite being spot on.

I do for see China invading Taiwan and Russia possibly getting US help to continue Putin's land grab.

Not sure how Iran and Israel will play out.

I will give Trump credit if he stops supporting Israel's aggression but I find that doubtful.

I do think WWIII is likely to happen if Trump gets back in the White House.

You have to be joking right? Trump is the only thing that can stabilize all of the wars popping up everywhere and you have to know that. I am not sure how the liberal democrats have so many people brainwashed but what has Trump done that would make you believe for one second that he would start WWIII? He has done nothing but talk people down, stabilize hostile nations and get world leaders talking to each other. He may get Isreal to back down but sometimes when you poke the bear you get bit. Thats not on Trump.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: bastion

It's not just the Black Sea Putin is targetting - the coup attempts across Eastern and Central Europe and occupied enclaves since 2008 (Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Oblasts, Ossetias are part of a much wider strategy of divide and conquer on multiple fronts with Ukraine only playing a small part.

Since last year Russia has attempted coups in Germany, Lithuania, Armenia, Moldova, Montenegro, Tajikistan and across Africa (Sudan to Niger 'coup belt'). The tactics since Georgia war in 2008 have been to take over small enclaves militarily and then plan coups, training, weapons smuggling and buying votes via major money laundering bribes or hiring mafias/ocgs to threaten people.

A lot of the key elections in those countries about joining EU and electing next Presidents occur this week and things may calm down after that or break out into more formal conflicts.

The problem is that Russia has relied on its paper dragon to take over areas and other nations with little or no resistance. They thought they could just walk into Ukraine and take over too, get rid of the so-called Nazis, and it didn't go well even with the initial small resistance.

IF the EU is so worried about Russia, then go to war and stop pussyfooting around.

Certainly agree it's exposed Russia as weaker than anyone expected in conventional/boots on the ground warfare but their non-linear warfare is as effective as ever.

It's not really worry, more awareness that a broader conflict is going on and if Ukraine-Russia war ended tomorrow instead of peace returning to Europe it would just free up more Russian resources to attack on other fronts. Major defences have been placed on the borders with Russia and around the occupied regions to contain the threat.

The EU doesn't have an army (would require all 27 member countries to rewrite their constitutions taking several decades but there are efforts to create a pan European defensive pact of 40+ countries to maintain the peace and counter the modern threats of Russia and China and US moving away from NATO and toward isolationism.

It's not a Trump thing like the OP article states as the pan-Europe pact idea has been around since the end of WW2 but has gained a lot of popularity since the Russia Ukraine war. Biden has been a non entity and not done anything to repair the US Europe alliance, Harris seems as clueless as Trump on geo politics/theatre of war decisions and will likely be the same.

originally posted by: bastion

It's not a Trump thing like the OP article states as the pan-Europe pact idea has been around since the end of WW2 but has gained a lot of popularity since the Russia Ukraine war. Biden has been a non entity and not done anything to repair the US Europe alliance, Harris seems as clueless as Trump on geo politics/theatre of war decisions and will likely be the same.

Ukraine was a wake-up call for the EU, Trump talked about how bad it was relying on Russian oil and energy so much back in like 2015, and he was right. The EU is basically Russian independent now and that is a start. If Trump does make a deal and Russia gets Donbas and a land bridge to Crimea in exchange for zero further advancement Trump will go full ape # if they do anything. With him a deal is a deal, if they do another invasion, it would be full US involvement, and not this let's play war BS they are doing right now as 100,000s die. I read recently Russia is losing 1500 a day...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: bastion

It's not a Trump thing like the OP article states as the pan-Europe pact idea has been around since the end of WW2 but has gained a lot of popularity since the Russia Ukraine war. Biden has been a non entity and not done anything to repair the US Europe alliance, Harris seems as clueless as Trump on geo politics/theatre of war decisions and will likely be the same.

Ukraine was a wake-up call for the EU, Trump talked about how bad it was relying on Russian oil and energy so much back in like 2015, and he was right. The EU is basically Russian independent now and that is a start. If Trump does make a deal and Russia gets Donbas and a land bridge to Crimea in exchange for zero further advancement Trump will go full ape # if they do anything. With him a deal is a deal, if they do another invasion, it would be full US involvement, and not this let's play war BS they are doing right now as 100,000s die. I read recently Russia is losing 1500 a day...

Yes, I agree, there is no quick path to a full Ukrainian victory. Even losing 1500 a day, which sounds high, Russia can hold out longer than Ukraine. It's just the reality.

FWIW that would save lives and give Ukraine a chance to rebuild and rearm.


It was inevitable that this would end in a stalemate, the question now is, does Ukraine try and wait it out 4-5 years and still get pounded into the mud, or do they negotiate and have a chance to rebuild now?