Is Zelensky suddenly ready for a ceasefire

a reply to: Dalamax

Oh. America is at War and being invaded by another country? Being attacked by a foreign air force, fighting an armoured invading force, bombed and shelled, towns and cities reduced to rubble?

Come off it.

No. I haven't been to war. So what?

Do you have to have been a POTUS to have an opinion on one?

Seriously?

Zelenski is a money hungry bastard, that got in power thanks to democrats like Soros.

He has probably been laundering money for them for decades in his country.

He knows that Trump is going to win the elections, he is playing safe, switch from war to reconstruction soo he can still keep getting Americas tax dollars for his coffers.

a reply to: marg6043

Decades? What, when he was a comedian? Wow.

His predecessor, the Kremlin puppet, ran off with $70 billion.

Get real.

originally posted by: Dalamax
Don’t forget the clintons building Haiti back better 😂🤣a reply to: putnam6

Very good point, did you see where the Dominican Republic Haiti's neighbor has begun deporting all those Built Back Better Haitians

Nope. Only war. I’m told it’s incompressible unless you have experienced it.

I was answering a question. How can a country have an election when it’s at war and flooded with refugees.

a reply to: Freeborn

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Dalamax

Oh. America is at War and being invaded by another country? Being attacked by a foreign air force, fighting an armoured invading force, bombed and shelled, towns and cities reduced to rubble?

Come off it.

No. I haven't been to war. So what?

Do you have to have been a POTUS to have an opinion on one?

Seriously?

Then your opinion doesn’t mean diddly squat 😉
You can judge a president by his actions, he is one man not a theatre of conflict.

a reply to: Dalamax

We are talking in this thread about a President.

My opinion is equally as valid as yours.

But your claim that America is at War comparable to the situation facing Ukraine, is rather, novel?

To put it politely.

a reply to: Dalamax

The Americans are having an election with those conditions 🤷🏽‍♂️

But many European countries are not.
When the country is invaded, a martial law is declared. The elections are suspended. There's no way to organize them because it's simply illegal.

You have to first revoke the martial law before you can hold elections. And in order to revoke the martial law, you've got to have some legal reason to do it, just like you've got to have a legal reason to impose it. So if the martial law is declared because of war, the war has to end for the martial law to get revoked. Or at least, there has to be a ceasefire.

The martial law is sanctioned by a constitution. Ukraine, like many other countries, abides by its own constitution, not the constitution of the United States.

a reply to: Dalamax

Nope. Only war. I’m told it’s incompressible unless you have experienced it.

I imagine the same may be said about a few things.
However, Ukraine is at war, literally as in the dictionary definition. The USA is not at war. You have never experienced war so according to your own reasoning you have no right to make that comparison.

I was answering a question. How can a country have an election when it’s at war and flooded with refugees.

Hmmm....as far as I can recall there was no mention of refugees.
Ukraine is at war, it is not 'flooded with refugees', its flooded with an invasion force that is trying to take over the country by force. They are fighting for their very existence in war conditions with the resultant death and destruction.

Historically many countries have suspended elections when they have been invaded and are at war.

No-one is denying that there are issues in America that need addressing, but likening it to the ongoing situation in Ukraine is way, way wide of the mark.

Novelty is the spice of life.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

That clears it up quite nicely, thank you.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

How can there be an election when the Country is at War with millions of refugees?

"Big girls blouse"?

I guess you'd do a great job as a war time leader.

But, I suspect surrender would be foremost on the agenda.

It was a reply to this post.

a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: Dalamax

When I said "novel" I was being polite...the US is not at War.

Just a little local difficulty.

As far as I am aware, there are no tanks invading America.

Manners maketh the man.

Local as in continental?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: Freeborn

The USA is not at war.

True but I read somewhere that even at the time of war it would be legally impossible to postpone elections in the US. I won't be betting all my money on this though. The US has never in history experienced a full scale invasion on its territory that would make it technically impossible to organize fair elections.

But I'm 100% sure that if my country got invaded by Russia or whoever, there would be no elections. The martial law suspends all the elections.

a reply to: Dalamax

Local as not being invaded in a war scenario?

Like, a full scale invasion?

a reply to: twistedpuppy
Abraham Lincoln was elected to his 2nd term in 1864. The Civil War didn't end until April 1865, so there were elections held during a historically war ravaged period in our nation's history.

Why would Russia agree to any of that? That's just ridiculous and it would allow Ukraine to continue to take away freedoms and security of ethnic Russian Ukrainians in the east

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: putnam6

This could also be zelinski wanting to end the war because he believes trump will be president in January.
Possibly fear of funding being dried up ?

Still not sure if Putin will just take his toys and go home without something other than dead bodies and a crushed military to show for it.

If The Zel thinks Trump will be Prez in Jan, why not just stall and wait till the election in a couple weeks? No, there's more to this bullsh!t than we think. 😀

It’s not stretch to think that Ukraine needs Harris in the White House for zelenskys grift to continue.
Maybe he’s trying to take the heat off the Biden administration by pushing a ceasefire before the election to make them look better.
All Biden Harris and Zelensky do is pure politics with little regards to their people.
They are all corrupt, suspect, and untrustworthy.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: putnam6

OK, Freeborn let's talk about that, so after 70 years of NATO are we still fearful of the Russian Bear?

Obviously I feel Russia poses no direct threat to the UK militarily but I think its undeniable that they are seeking to interfere and meddle in our internal affairs.....pretty much the same as they are trying to influence and manipulate events in other countries.

So little Estonia is nervous and we have to continue to spend billions on the Ukrainian meat grinder

Yes 'little Estonia' is nervous, as are Lithuania, Latvia, Finland, Moldova and plenty of other 'little' European countries.
Have you ever spoken to a Pole or Romanian about how they feel?
A Bulgarian?

I've spoken to plenty, both here in the UK and in quite a few of those countries, and the vast majority have a genuine fear of Russian aggression and expansionism and the reality is most of them would have no chance whatsoever of resisting any Russian invasion without NATO's support.

Bear in mind these countries have experienced first hand Russian control and domination, they don't want to again. They want to remain independent.

Now we, the UK and US, along with France and Russia, were co-signatories of The Budapest Memorandum in which we guaranteed to respect and protect Ukrainian independence and its internationally recognised borders and to never invade.

Personally I think we have a moral responsibility to provide Ukraine support as it fights to retain its independence in light of Russian aggression and expansionism.
Same as I think we should provide support if Putin decides to continue with his desire to regain some imagined past glories and reconstruct some sort of new Greater Russia against the express wishes of the people of those countries.

Sure as night follows day if NATO had not provided support for Ukraine it would only have been a matter of time befor Putin would have invaded somewhere else.

Appeasement does not work.
History has shown us this time and time again.

As for Crimea?
In an ideal world I'd really like to see Crimea return to Ukraine - if indeed that is what the Crimean people want - but for all my talk about moral responsibility and noble ideals the reality is that unless there is a complete breakdown of Putin's administration then its highly unlikely to happen.

Russia has a history of collapsing in on itself and retreating inwards when they get involved in wars on foreign soil that don't go smoothly and according to plan.
How much more will the Oligarchs take bearing in mind Russia's increasing reliance on Iran and North Korea and its pariah like status on the world stage?

Tell me about Christopher Steele and the Steele dossier again? Countries try to covertly influence other countries all the time. It's the nature of the beast.

90% of the nations mentioned fall under NATO's watch, the US isn't abandoning NATO after the trillions spent. I'd say spending billions in support of Ukraine is pretty damn far from appeasement, but continuing to feed troops and endangering civilians in this war is not efficient and endangers Ukrainian future security as well. They need to be rebuilding for the next war and not wasting resources on the current stalemate, as we move into the winter slowdown. We have no coherent plan on how Ukraine can win this without huge losses and billions spent. REALITY

If Russia goes after any of these countries below
remember "Not one inch of NATO land" It's probably
Biden's best Presidential quote, because that has genuine
bipartisan support and it's not bullchit.



as for Moldova and the other smaller countries well, his saber-rattling could be nothing but a negotiation stunt after the failed SMO stalemate Where's the next victim? Anybody paying attention knew Ukraine was a bone of contention, not sure if any other countries are that profile. Ukraine has resources those smaller countries don't possess, overtaking those countries or invading those countries has more liabilities than assets for Russia.

Russia making a move when all of NATO's military-industrial complex is working at maximum capacity and hyperfocused on any move would be foolhardy. It's not impossible but it's not likely.

Thats the thing Ukraine has exposed Russia's military weaknesses for all to see, you have more faith in the Russian military than Putin. With so many commanding officers killed or replaced in Ukraine, it's not a good time to go picking fights elsewhere. It's not good for those scary oligarchs in Russia's businesses either, but that doesn't mean they are ready to upset the Kremlin's apple cart, and we don't know if they even have the power to make that happen.