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originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: KrustyKrab
A ship designed to map the sea floor runs a ground. Obviously a error of the ship and not user error right? Nope, nothing to see here. đ¤Ł
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: worldstarcountry
If we were to look up mysogyny in the dictionary that zerohedge post would be there next to it. It's already been debunked in this thread that she's an experienced sailor. The zerohedge article is an obvious hack job with zero journalism. Just propaganda.
What happens if a ship's engines stop unexpectedly, or its rudder jams?
Could it run aground, if there are strong currents or tides?
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude
The captain of the Exxon Valdez was a dude. So yeah.... no ship could ever run aground if a man was the captain.
A New Zealand Defence Force Court of Inquiry found that crew error caused the Royal New Zealand Navy hydrographic dive and survey ship HMNZS Manawanui (A09) to run aground and sink in October.
An NZDF release on Friday cited RNZN head Rear Adm. Garin Golding saying the COIâs interim report found the shipâs autopilot was not disengaged when it should have been. The crew did not realize Manawanuiâs autopilot was still on, so they believed its failure to respond to direction changes was due to a failure in thruster controls.
Golding added that having assessed a thruster control failure, the crew did not check that the ship was under manual control rather than autopilot, as per standard procedures. Instead, the autopilot stayed on and Manawanui maintained a course toward land, running aground and becoming stranded.
The crew tried and failed to maneuver the ship off the reef, according to a timeline provided with the press release. While no damage or flooding was detected inside the ship, stability assessments made after the grounding indicated Manawanui was no longer stable. About 30 minutes after the initial grounding, the ship was abandoned. All personnel were successfully evacuated with no serious injuries. The ship then caught fire before capsizing and sinking on the morning of Oct.6.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: worldstarcountry
news.usni.org...
Update. Helmsman/Crew Error led to grounding and subsequent fire and sinking.
A New Zealand Defence Force Court of Inquiry found that crew error caused the Royal New Zealand Navy hydrographic dive and survey ship HMNZS Manawanui (A09) to run aground and sink in October.
An NZDF release on Friday cited RNZN head Rear Adm. Garin Golding saying the COIâs interim report found the shipâs autopilot was not disengaged when it should have been. The crew did not realize Manawanuiâs autopilot was still on, so they believed its failure to respond to direction changes was due to a failure in thruster controls.
Golding added that having assessed a thruster control failure, the crew did not check that the ship was under manual control rather than autopilot, as per standard procedures. Instead, the autopilot stayed on and Manawanui maintained a course toward land, running aground and becoming stranded.
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The crew tried and failed to maneuver the ship off the reef, according to a timeline provided with the press release. While no damage or flooding was detected inside the ship, stability assessments made after the grounding indicated Manawanui was no longer stable. About 30 minutes after the initial grounding, the ship was abandoned. All personnel were successfully evacuated with no serious injuries. The ship then caught fire before capsizing and sinking on the morning of Oct.6.
originally posted by: KrustyKrab
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: worldstarcountry
news.usni.org...
Update. Helmsman/Crew Error led to grounding and subsequent fire and sinking.
A New Zealand Defence Force Court of Inquiry found that crew error caused the Royal New Zealand Navy hydrographic dive and survey ship HMNZS Manawanui (A09) to run aground and sink in October.
An NZDF release on Friday cited RNZN head Rear Adm. Garin Golding saying the COIâs interim report found the shipâs autopilot was not disengaged when it should have been. The crew did not realize Manawanuiâs autopilot was still on, so they believed its failure to respond to direction changes was due to a failure in thruster controls.
Golding added that having assessed a thruster control failure, the crew did not check that the ship was under manual control rather than autopilot, as per standard procedures. Instead, the autopilot stayed on and Manawanui maintained a course toward land, running aground and becoming stranded.
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The crew tried and failed to maneuver the ship off the reef, according to a timeline provided with the press release. While no damage or flooding was detected inside the ship, stability assessments made after the grounding indicated Manawanui was no longer stable. About 30 minutes after the initial grounding, the ship was abandoned. All personnel were successfully evacuated with no serious injuries. The ship then caught fire before capsizing and sinking on the morning of Oct.6.
Thx for the 411. Sounds to me thereâs a shared responsibility within the crew that failed miserably. Ultimately we know whoâs responsibleâŚ.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab
What I want to know is who is the idiot that built a ship without a clear indicator that the autopilot is still on? Or builds a ship where the manual input doesn't override the autopilot?
Ultimately the Captain is responsible. But it's clear that there were multiple failures up and down the chain of command. Along with insufficient organizational training to make it clear that it's a necessary need to check the freaking autopilot. Total cluster.
Three crew members who were on the bridge as the disaster unfolded are likely to face such a process, Golding added. They were the officer in control of the ship, an officer supervising that person, and the ship's commanding officer. The navy chief would not name them.
The crew "mistakenly believed its failure to respond to direction changes was the result of a thruster control failure,â he said. A number of contributing factors were identified, Golding said, including training, planning, supervision, readiness and risk assessment.
Notable appointments include being the Fleet Warfare Officer and later the Fleet Seamanship and Executive Officer in the Maritime Operational Evaluation Team (MOET), working up nearly every ship in the RNZN at least once. She has also been the Commanding Officer of the Mine Counter Measures Team, participating in activities in the United States, South East Asia and New Zealand.
You keep claiming DEI hire. But she's been in the Royal Navy since 1993
Commander Yvonne Gray moved to New Zealand in 2012 after traveling to the country with her lesbian wife for a vacation. Gray had previously served in the British Navy since 1993 before joining NZ forces, according to her Royal NZ bio. This was Gray's first-ever ship command.
What is a DEI hire?
A DEI hire refers to an individual who was hired through a process that emphasizes diversity, equity and inclusion principles.
This process ensures that all candidates, regardless of their background, have an equal opportunity to compete for a job. It aims to create a diverse workforce by actively seeking to include people from different demographics, and ensuring that hiring decisions are fair and free from bias. The goal is to foster an inclusive work environment where all employees can thrive.
The phrase DEI hire has also become an insult of sorts, with some using it to suggest that someone was hired solely based on their demographic characteristics, rather than their qualifications and experience.
Please provide proof that she was hired solely because she's a woman. And not someone with the necessary qualifications to be a Captain.
Attracting and retaining a more diverse workforce in terms of gender and ethnicity is part of the NZDF Strategic Plan 2019â2025. In 2020, it formally adopted the United Nations Womenâs Empowerment Principles (the UN WEPs) - becoming the first military in the world to do so. NZDF is also part of the Gender Tick's Gender at Work Community.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab
What I want to know is who is the idiot that built a ship without a clear indicator that the autopilot is still on? Or builds a ship where the manual input doesn't override the autopilot?
Ultimately the Captain is responsible. But it's clear that there were multiple failures up and down the chain of command. Along with insufficient organizational training to make it clear that it's a necessary need to check the freaking autopilot. Total cluster.
Not so fast. Did she or did she not have the necessary qualifications for that post?
Despite the growth in gender representation over the past 10 years, the NZDF recognises the challenges it faces in increasing the participation of women across its trades and roles, particularly in senior leadership roles.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Yes, I don't disagree with the crew error portion. Nor do I disagree that the Captain is always responsible. My point is that this could of happened with a male captain as well. Discriminating solely because of gender is well, discrimination.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Yes, I don't disagree with the crew error portion. Nor do I disagree that the Captain is always responsible. My point is that this could of happened with a male captain as well. Discriminating solely because of gender is well, discrimination.