Great Barrier Reef Attacks and Sinks New Zealand Frigate HMNZS Manawanui

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

She wasn't a diversity and equity hire.

That’s a strong uninformed opinion considering the specific government we’re talking about here.
How do you know she wasn’t hired because she checked off all the DEI boxes?
What about her “qualifications” made her the choice to command that ship above all the other candidates?

She passed all her university subjects in a teaching degree with honours but like so many, was unsure of what she would like to do for a job. There were not many teaching roles available and she wasn't even sure she wanted to be a teacher. Initially, she wanted to open her own restaurant, but realized that was not going to be fiscally attainable in the economic times that the UK was suffering at that moment.

She joined the British Royal Navy in 1993, thinking that she would earn enough to open a restaurant at the end of her commission, but found that she actually liked the adventure and lifestyle of the Navy.

She spent most of her junior career at sea, including in the aircraft carrier HMS INVINCIBLE and the minehunters WALNEY, BRIDPORT and CROMER after specialising as a Mine Warfare Officer.

She remembers, as a young officer training on board INVINCIBLE, being in the Adriatic near former Yugoslavia and watching Sea Harriers take off and land. “It was only about 10 years since the Falklands War, where the Harriers had been so involved. To be in the ship, watching those aircraft, for a young officer, it was pretty awesome.”

Five years later, several of the Captains she worked with had told her, "Become a general list executive officer, do the Principal Warfare Officer course, you’d be really good". She applied and got it first shot.

In her words, "By this time, I was really enjoying myself. I could see it was an organisation where I fitted well.” After completing Principal Warfare Officer course in 2004, she joined HMS WESTMINSTER as the PWO (Underwater) and Operations Officer, with operational experience in West Africa, Northern Europe and the Gulf.

She joined HMS ARK ROYAL as the Group Warfare Officer in 2006 and from ARK ROYAL she joined the Battle Staff of 'Commander United Kingdom Carrier Strike Group'.

Following a posting to the Maritime Warfare Centre in Portsmouth, she took the opportunity in 2009 to work with the Royal Australian Navy at HMAS WATSON, Sydney.

After deciding to relocate to New Zealand in 2011-2012 she sought a job there with the NZ Navy, in line with her credentials.

Commander Gray joined the RNZN in 2012. Notable appointments include being the Fleet Warfare Officer, and later the Fleet Seamanship and Executive Officer in the Maritime Operational Evaluation Team (MOET). In the process she had been stationed on nearly every ship in the RNZN at least once. She has also been the Commanding Officer of the Mine Counter Measures Team, participating in activities in the United States, South East Asia and New Zealand.

In 2019, she left the NZ Navy, sold her house and went on a 57,000 km trip around Australia in a campervan. In her words, “When you turn 50 you kind of take stock. My Dad died at 62 and I thought, if that happened to me, I’ve got 12 years left. I love being in the Navy but I don’t want to be like my Dad, who never got to retire. So I thought, now’s the opportunity, while we’re young. We sold our house, left our jobs, and off we went.”

After returning to New Zealand, in 2022, she took up the role of captain of the HMNZS MANAWANUI and has been captain of the vessel for the last two years, receiving the praise and approval of her crew, 3rd-party scientists, officers in the NZRN, and the NZ Minister of Defence.

31 years of Naval service to a high rank, passing numerous courses commensurate with changes of role along the way.

Does any of that sound remotely like a DEI hire?

Here's what I think.

You read some garbage off a bigot site, and you totally believe it, without any critical though or fact checking on your part, and now you think you can comment on it armed with none of the facts. This is because you don't think for yourself. You don't doubt what is being presented and treat it sceptically. Nor do you apply any reasoning to what you are told, even when it is irrational and self contradictory.

a reply to: chr0naut

You read some garbage off a bigot site, and you totally believe it, without any critical though or fact checking on your part, and now you think you can comment on it armed with none of the facts.

I asked a simple question which you either didn’t understand or can’t answer.
I’ll ask again and highlight the relevant part…

What about her “qualifications” made her the choice to command that ship above all the other candidates?

DEI hires aren’t always unqualified.
They are, by design, not the best candidate for the job.
That’s another reason why DEI is bad, other than racist and sexist.
Like NZ, the US has a big DEI problem and we’ve also been embarrassed when the consequences come due(sinking ships etc).
Is there something meritorious in her resume which puts her above and apart her peers?
The only reason I suspect she’s a DEI hire is because NZ(woke progressive country) and she abandoned ship very quickly which is a giant red flag.

Those who can’t do, teach.

She should have stayed a teacher 😂

Hopefully the investigation into the lose of her vessel substantiates her amazing nautical skills 🤣

a reply to: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: chr0naut

Look at it this way kiwi… you only lost 1 of the 8 navy ships you have. I’m pretty sure we still have 430 of ours left, we could probably give you a good deal on one of our older ones if interested.

just has a fantastic idea. Load up an old ship with our illegals, and send it to NZ, since they are ready and willing to accept any and all "newcomers". Perhaps we can package all the MS13 folks on one ship so they will have things to talk about on the voyage. All at no charge. It's a win, win, win.

The fact that these people are in your country undocumented and unidentified seems to elude you. These are the people you don't know about. If the government knew who and where they were, and what crimes they have committed overseas, ICE would be on them straight away.

What happens to your brain when you start to believe all the illogical and rationally contradictory propaganda?

wat?

this is the most idiotic post I've seen in a while, and I've seen a few of your other posts, so that's saying something. 10 out of 10.

The undocumented are 'flying under the radar'. Moreso the undocumented who are criminals. They are actively trying to evade getting caught.

You seem to think that they get registered with the government, and get a handshake and a "welcome friend".

You can't even see the rational hole in your opinion, it is so entrenched.

And yet, when they list an illegal in the news who just raped and killed a young girl, they always seem to be able to tell us when they entered the US. Must have a crystal ball. But I'm sure they report all that in detail over there, right?

How do those "news organizations" actually gain that information?

Could it possibly be that they are 'spinning' the news?

originally posted by: Dalamax
Those who can’t do, teach.

She should have stayed a teacher 😂

Hopefully the investigation into the lose of her vessel substantiates her amazing nautical skills 🤣

a reply to: chr0naut

Those that can't, don't.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

You read some garbage off a bigot site, and you totally believe it, without any critical though or fact checking on your part, and now you think you can comment on it armed with none of the facts.

I asked a simple question which you either didn’t understand or can’t answer.
I’ll ask again and highlight the relevant part…

What about her “qualifications” made her the choice to command that ship above all the other candidates?

DEI hires aren’t always unqualified.
They are, by design, not the best candidate for the job.
That’s another reason why DEI is bad, other than racist and sexist.
Like NZ, the US has a big DEI problem and we’ve also been embarrassed when the consequences come due(sinking ships etc).
Is there something meritorious in her resume which puts her above and apart her peers?
The only reason I suspect she’s a DEI hire is because NZ(woke progressive country) and she abandoned ship very quickly which is a giant red flag.

Your implication is that you have to be the absolute best of the best to pilot a ship.

You do have to have specialist knowledge to pilot a large vessel, but you don't need to be the absolute 'best of the best' to do the job properly.

There is more evidence that Commander Grey was a good choice for the task based upon her skills and experience, than to suggest that she was incapable.

If the ship lost power or navigation due to mechanical failure, they you couldn't really blame the pilot for that. We shall have to wait for the inquiry to conclude.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: chr0naut

Look at it this way kiwi… you only lost 1 of the 8 navy ships you have. I’m pretty sure we still have 430 of ours left, we could probably give you a good deal on one of our older ones if interested.

just has a fantastic idea. Load up an old ship with our illegals, and send it to NZ, since they are ready and willing to accept any and all "newcomers". Perhaps we can package all the MS13 folks on one ship so they will have things to talk about on the voyage. All at no charge. It's a win, win, win.

The fact that these people are in your country undocumented and unidentified seems to elude you. These are the people you don't know about. If the government knew who and where they were, and what crimes they have committed overseas, ICE would be on them straight away.

What happens to your brain when you start to believe all the illogical and rationally contradictory propaganda?

wat?

this is the most idiotic post I've seen in a while, and I've seen a few of your other posts, so that's saying something. 10 out of 10.

The undocumented are 'flying under the radar'. Moreso the undocumented who are criminals. They are actively trying to evade getting caught.

You seem to think that they get registered with the government, and get a handshake and a "welcome friend".

You can't even see the rational hole in your opinion, it is so entrenched.

And yet, when they list an illegal in the news who just raped and killed a young girl, they always seem to be able to tell us when they entered the US. Must have a crystal ball. But I'm sure they report all that in detail over there, right?

How do those "news organizations" actually gain that information?

Could it possibly be that they are 'spinning' the news?

www.judiciary.senate.gov...

WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has confirmed to U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the individual charged with the murder of Georgia student Laken Riley was paroled into the country illegally.

According to DHS, Jose Antonio Ibarra was granted “parole due to detention capacity at the Central Processing Center in El Paso, Texas.”

I have to hand it to you, being this good at being wrong isn't easy to pull off, but you do it like a boss.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

If we were to look up mysogyny in the dictionary that zerohedge post would be there next to it. It's already been debunked in this thread that she's an experienced sailor. The zerohedge article is an obvious hack job with zero journalism. Just propaganda.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: worldstarcountry

If we were to look up mysogyny in the dictionary that zerohedge post would be there next to it. It's already been debunked in this thread that she's an experienced sailor. The zerohedge article is an obvious hack job with zero journalism. Just propaganda.

A ship designed to map the sea floor runs a ground. Obviously a error of the ship and not user error right? Nope, nothing to see here. 🤣

a reply to: grey580

since this is a regular occurance, can you just point to all the military dudes from NZ who ran their ships aground?

That's not to say that women can't drive (history is your enemy there) just that if this is something that could happen to anyone, it must have in the past.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

So it's the captains fault automatically? And all because it was a woman in command? And since it's a woman she's automatically unqualified to command? You are a genius to know all of these detail about an event that barely has any information released and hasn't been investigated yet. You must have ESP.

a reply to: network dude

The captain of the Exxon Valdez was a dude. So yeah.... no ship could ever run aground if a man was the captain.

a reply to: chr0naut

Your implication is that you have to be the absolute best of the best to pilot a ship.

Wrong.
If you only need one captain and you have a couple dozen candidates then the best candidate gets the gig.
The best person for the job.
It’s simple when DEI isn’t involved.
Merit over race and sex etc.

There is more evidence that Commander Grey was a good choice for the task based upon her skills and experience, than to suggest that she was incapable.

The evidence of her being the “good choice” is a hundred million dollar ship in Davy Jones locker.

The captain is ultimately responsible for the ship.
Accountability is a captains mandate.
DEI hires have zero accountability because they weren’t hired on their merits.
Another reason why DEI needs to go.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

So it's the captains fault automatically? And all because it was a woman in command? And since it's a woman she's automatically unqualified to command? You are a genius to know all of these detail about an event that barely has any information released and hasn't been investigated yet. You must have ESP.

JHC You need to work on your reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I mention the fact it was a women. I think the irony went right over your head.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

She wasn't a diversity and equity hire.

That’s a strong uninformed opinion considering the specific government we’re talking about here.
How do you know she wasn’t hired because she checked off all the DEI boxes?
What about her “qualifications” made her the choice to command that ship above all the other candidates?

She passed all her university subjects in a teaching degree with honours but like so many, was unsure of what she would like to do for a job. There were not many teaching roles available and she wasn't even sure she wanted to be a teacher. Initially, she wanted to open her own restaurant, but realized that was not going to be fiscally attainable in the economic times that the UK was suffering at that moment.

She joined the British Royal Navy in 1993, thinking that she would earn enough to open a restaurant at the end of her commission, but found that she actually liked the adventure and lifestyle of the Navy.

She spent most of her junior career at sea, including in the aircraft carrier HMS INVINCIBLE and the minehunters WALNEY, BRIDPORT and CROMER after specialising as a Mine Warfare Officer.

She remembers, as a young officer training on board INVINCIBLE, being in the Adriatic near former Yugoslavia and watching Sea Harriers take off and land. “It was only about 10 years since the Falklands War, where the Harriers had been so involved. To be in the ship, watching those aircraft, for a young officer, it was pretty awesome.”

Five years later, several of the Captains she worked with had told her, "Become a general list executive officer, do the Principal Warfare Officer course, you’d be really good". She applied and got it first shot.

In her words, "By this time, I was really enjoying myself. I could see it was an organisation where I fitted well.” After completing Principal Warfare Officer course in 2004, she joined HMS WESTMINSTER as the PWO (Underwater) and Operations Officer, with operational experience in West Africa, Northern Europe and the Gulf.

She joined HMS ARK ROYAL as the Group Warfare Officer in 2006 and from ARK ROYAL she joined the Battle Staff of 'Commander United Kingdom Carrier Strike Group'.

Following a posting to the Maritime Warfare Centre in Portsmouth, she took the opportunity in 2009 to work with the Royal Australian Navy at HMAS WATSON, Sydney.

After deciding to relocate to New Zealand in 2011-2012 she sought a job there with the NZ Navy, in line with her credentials.

Commander Gray joined the RNZN in 2012. Notable appointments include being the Fleet Warfare Officer, and later the Fleet Seamanship and Executive Officer in the Maritime Operational Evaluation Team (MOET). In the process she had been stationed on nearly every ship in the RNZN at least once. She has also been the Commanding Officer of the Mine Counter Measures Team, participating in activities in the United States, South East Asia and New Zealand.

In 2019, she left the NZ Navy, sold her house and went on a 57,000 km trip around Australia in a campervan. In her words, “When you turn 50 you kind of take stock. My Dad died at 62 and I thought, if that happened to me, I’ve got 12 years left. I love being in the Navy but I don’t want to be like my Dad, who never got to retire. So I thought, now’s the opportunity, while we’re young. We sold our house, left our jobs, and off we went.”

After returning to New Zealand, in 2022, she took up the role of captain of the HMNZS MANAWANUI and has been captain of the vessel for the last two years, receiving the praise and approval of her crew, 3rd-party scientists, officers in the NZRN, and the NZ Minister of Defence.

31 years of Naval service to a high rank, passing numerous courses commensurate with changes of role along the way.

Does any of that sound remotely like a DEI hire?

Here's what I think.

You read some garbage off a bigot site, and you totally believe it, without any critical though or fact checking on your part, and now you think you can comment on it armed with none of the facts. This is because you don't think for yourself. You don't doubt what is being presented and treat it sceptically. Nor do you apply any reasoning to what you are told, even when it is irrational and self contradictory.

Your excellent research shows that DEI had nothing to do with this. A great reason why the bigot sites on the net cause so much bull# to get mixed into what would normally be just cognizant discussion.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: worldstarcountry

If we were to look up mysogyny in the dictionary that zerohedge post would be there next to it. It's already been debunked in this thread that she's an experienced sailor. The zerohedge article is an obvious hack job with zero journalism. Just propaganda.

A ship designed to map the sea floor runs a ground. Obviously a error of the ship and not user error right? Nope, nothing to see here. 🤣

What happens if a ship's engines stop unexpectedly, or its rudder jams?

Could it run aground, if there are strong currents or tides?

a reply to: KrustyKrab

My fault for assuming that since you said user error you meant it was because a woman was in charge.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Was she trying to reverse park it ?


New Zealand's female Defence Chief has complained about the "misogynistic narrative" , fact is if you hire for "reasons" you don't get the best for the job , it's a problem effecting militaries in many Woke Countries .

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Dalamax
Those who can’t do, teach.

She should have stayed a teacher 😂

Hopefully the investigation into the lose of her vessel substantiates her amazing nautical skills 🤣

a reply to: chr0naut

Those that can't, don't.

I believe you mean shouldn’t.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

So it's the captains fault automatically? And all because it was a woman in command? And since it's a woman she's automatically unqualified to command? You are a genius to know all of these detail about an event that barely has any information released and hasn't been investigated yet. You must have ESP.

It’s her fault for putting her ship where it was in the conditions it was in. She did it. It was her decision. The vessel didn’t put itself there, night didn’t jump out of nowhere and surprise her, the weather didn’t miraculously turn and hoodwink her. Nobody else onboard was captain. It was her orders that led to the lose of the vessel.

She sunk her ship, If that doesn’t point to her being unqualified to command it, she should skipper the Minnow.