The debate. Who wins?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

www.britannica.com...

Have Democrats advocated for public ownership of the means of production for the benefit of all and the overthrow of capitalism in the US?

From your link…

communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.

Harris government wants to take patents away from private ownership, just as FlyersFan posted.
Harris wants to mandate electric vehicles.
Harris wants to mandate public health insurance by doing away with private health insurance.
Harris and Biden got rid of new leases for oil and gas and promises to ban fracking.
This all seems like Marxist policies to me.
How about you?

a reply to: Annee

Do you bring your baggage from a previous job into your new one?

Getting a new job doesn't make an abysmal employee a good employee.

a reply to: Vermilion

If she is such a Marxist, and it has been openly known, why did Trump donate to her campaign if he loves America so much?

It’s all hyperbolic just like when people rail on that Trump is a fascist.

It’s so obvious to the right that Harris is a Marxist, and so obvious to the left Trump is a fascist. The rest of America don’t really see either being the case.

Both sides forget they don’t have to message to their own base, they already won it.

Speak in terms that will be receptive to people who haven’t bought fully in to your beliefs. But both sides refuse to do that.

a reply to: Annee

What your describing in your post is commonly
known as "Lawfare".

Kamala is in office, she is saddling herself with
the dictator image, and it is damn funny to see
people celebrate it.

"Jail your opponent when you can't win on merit".

a reply to: Annee

She should be given the chance to prove herself in a new job (the past is inconsequential).

Is that because of her incredible work as Border Czar or in spite of it?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Have Democrats advocated for public ownership of the means of production for the benefit of all and the overthrow of capitalism in the US?

You don't think that mandating everyone drive an EV, even when they don't want to and the free market calls for something else, an overthrowing of capitalism? That effects transportation throughout the country and just about every person in the country. And it effects other products and business' as well ... such as gas stations now being forced to sell a product that the free market doesn't want.

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Annee

What your describing in your post is commonly
known as "Lawfare".

Kamala is in office, she is saddling herself with
the dictator image, and it is damn funny to see
people celebrate it.

"Jail your opponent when you can't win on merit".

Kind of like when she was the Attorney General and she made everyone stand at attention when she walked in the office in the morning and say "Good Morning General"?

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Annee


She did what needed to be done. She out conned a con.

Then you admit she resulted to right out lying with no effort by the mods to fact check her.

The debate was the moderators doing all they could to support Harris.

It didn’t look like a win. It looks like a cheat.

It's no surprise that these guys think that fake, scripted and rehearsed answers are a win.

If the Dems are not cheating, they are not trying.

Even New Yorkers aren't buying their crap anymore. Check out this clip from this morning's 9/11 ceremony where the crowd is begging Trump to return right in front of Biden and Harris LOL

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Watch Kamala's behavior - pretty sick and clueless

One commenter said it best

Someone needs to tell Kamala this isn’t a ribbon cutting for a new beauty shop. This is in remembrance of the worst terror attack to ever happen in America. The cackling is so disrespectful. Every American was broken on 9/11 from watching helplessly as lives were lost and families were torn apart forever.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

She champions Mandatory Gun Buy Back Program complete with lists
and door to door confiscation.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Call if whatever you want.

Marxist, Hitler, etc.

It is Authoritarian!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
If she is such a Marxist, and it has been openly known, why did Trump donate to her campaign if he loves America so much?

When he was a Democrat he also donated to Hillary.
And when he was a Democrat he also was vocally pro-abortion.
Trump is an opportunist.
He donated to whoever could, in the future, help HIM.
He held views that would help HIM.
He didn't care about who was Marxist or corrupt or anything else.
He just wanted what was best for him and his future business dealings.

a reply to: FlyersFan

If they were to be advocating for car production to be owned by the proletariat and all means of production to be publicly owned by the workers you may have a point?

Authoritarian, certainly. Marxist? No.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Vermilion

If she is such a Marxist, and it has been openly known, why did Trump donate to her campaign if he loves America so much?

It’s all hyperbolic just like when people rail on that Trump is a fascist.

It’s so obvious to the right that Harris is a Marxist, and so obvious to the left Trump is a fascist. The rest of America don’t really see either being the case.

Both sides forget they don’t have to message to their own base, they already won it.

Speak in terms that will be receptive to people who haven’t bought fully in to your beliefs. But both sides refuse to do that.

What year did he donate to her?
Way back when he was a democrat?

I’ve posted the receipts for Harris Marxist policies here.
So far nobody has refuted them.
There are plenty to refute.

Care to show some receipts about how Trump is a fascist?
He was president for four years.
Should be easy.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

That's a good conspiracy site discussion!

These are the earing Harris wore.

x.com...

Hilarious.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
If she is such a Marxist, and it has been openly known, why did Trump donate to her campaign if he loves America so much?

When he was a Democrat he also donated to Hillary.
And when he was a Democrat he also was vocally pro-abortion.
Trump is an opportunist.
He donated to whoever could, in the future, help HIM.
He held views that would help HIM.
He didn't care about who was Marxist or corrupt or anything else.
He just wanted what was best for him and his future business dealings.

But he magically changed while he was elderly and decided to save America with only altruistic motives?

a reply to: Vermilion

I’ve posted the receipts for Harris Marxist policies here. So far nobody has refuted them. There are plenty to refute.

She’s a Champaign liberal, which usually leans into corporate favor. Pretty far from full fledged communist.

Her platform is still crap, like a possible presidency from her would be… still doesn’t equate to Marxist/communidt.

My point isn’t even so much about the word itself, but rather there are more effective ways to win independents and swing voters. That kind of rhetoric is viewed as extreme and terms voters off who don’t buy into those beliefs.

Care to show some receipts about how Trump is a fascist?

Why would I when I just pointed out it’s hyperbole?

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Annee

What your describing in your post is commonly
known as "Lawfare".

Kamala is in office, she is saddling herself with
the dictator image, and it is damn funny to see
people celebrate it.

"Jail your opponent when you can't win on merit".

Kind of like when she was the Attorney General and she made everyone stand at attention when she walked in the office in the morning and say "Good Morning General"?

Or when she kept prisoners in prison in defiance of the Supreme Court…

The intransigence of this legal work resulted in the presiding judges in the case giving serious consideration to holding the state in contempt of court. Observers worried that the behavior of Harris’s office had undermined the very ability of federal judges to enforce their legal orders at the state level, pushing the federal court system to the brink of a constitutional crisis. This extreme resistance to a Supreme Court ruling was done to prevent the release of fewer than 5,000 nonviolent offenders, whom multiple courts had cleared as presenting next to no risk of recidivism or threat to public safety.
prospect.org...

Harris owns this.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
But he magically changed while he was elderly and decided to save America with only altruistic motives?

No, he saw another opportunity for self promotion and a way for him to make America what he thinks it should be. A power/control thing. Just like most politicians. Most of his policies I'm fine with. It's HIM that is the problem.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Neither of them have really said anything of substance the whole campaign.

It's not a secret with Trump.

Trump would continue with what he did in his first term, which before the Scamdemic, was working pretty good.

Harris would continue with what Biden did, which was nothing.

I beg to differ. What Biden and Harris did was extremely destructive and definitely giving foreign powers an advantage which pretty much borders on treason if not outright.

This is nothing more than a politician vs a non-politician. That's it. He talks like someone in the real world and she talks in soundbites.

Kamala - Tiki torches. 1/6. Racism. Is she black? WTF does that have to do with what is happening now?
Trump - Illegals are literally eating park animals, raping/killing people and taking over parts of cities? Inflation out of control. These are happening now.....

Which one affects real Americans?

If you vote on hate do not blame me for what comes next.