Let's Talk Reparations .

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Owed something?
It's called welfare and they have had it for over 60 years.

And NO !
They are not "owed" anything.

They are better off here in America than if their ancestors stayed in Africa.


Finally, I refuse to pay for something I did not do, I never was a slave owner, to people that that today were never slaves.

No
2nd Still no.

a reply to: Tolkien

I SECOND THIS RESENTMENT. ON ALL SIDES.

I'm all for $$ Reparations and formal U.S. Govt apologies for the Jan 6th hostages.

I think they shouldn't even get 1 roll of toilet paper for something from 200 years ago.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

I don't know anything about Black Lives Matter and the money they raised or where it went. I just know that we did it for the Native Americans, the Hawaiians and the Japanese. Why not have a fund for slave decedents and those harmed by racism, like the victims' of the Tulsa Massacre families.

Like I said, it would be completely up them to decide who qualifies, how much and how the benefits are distributed, if such benefits were to be extended by a state or the federal government.

I'm not really advocating for it, but since we're discussing it, I'm not really opposed to it either. I can see the logic and the merit.

where does the money come from?

remember when the goal was equality? Remember when a man had a dream, that his children would be judged by the content of their character, and NOT the color of their skin?

Now you can look at what something like this brings. "They" "Them", "Those people". Tell me you want to regress 70 years without telling me you want to regress 70 years.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

I don't know anything about Black Lives Matter and the money they raised or where it went. I just know that we did it for the Native Americans, the Hawaiians and the Japanese. Why not have a fund for slave decedents and those harmed by racism, like the victims' of the Tulsa Massacre families.

Like I said, it would be completely up them to decide who qualifies, how much and how the benefits are distributed, if such benefits were to be extended by a state or the federal government.

I'm not really advocating for it, but since we're discussing it, I'm not really opposed to it either. I can see the logic and the merit.

where does the money come from?

The Native Americans were given land and the ability to operate casinos. The Hawaiians were given land to manage, through a trust called the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.

OHA was given control over certain public lands, and acquired other land-holdings for the provision of housing, supporting agriculture, and supporting cultural institutions. The lands initially given to OHA were originally crown lands of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi, which had gone through various forms of public ownership since the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

OHA is a semi-autonomous government body administered by a nine-member board of trustees, elected by the people of the State of Hawaiʻi through popular suffrage.

en.wikipedia.org...
(I'd link you to OHA, but the site is down for maintenance.)

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

I don't know anything about Black Lives Matter and the money they raised or where it went. I just know that we did it for the Native Americans, the Hawaiians and the Japanese. Why not have a fund for slave decedents and those harmed by racism, like the victims' of the Tulsa Massacre families.

Like I said, it would be completely up them to decide who qualifies, how much and how the benefits are distributed, if such benefits were to be extended by a state or the federal government.

I'm not really advocating for it, but since we're discussing it, I'm not really opposed to it either. I can see the logic and the merit.

where does the money come from?

The Native Americans were given land and the ability to operate casinos. The Hawaiians were given land to manage, through a trust called the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.

OHA was given control over certain public lands, and acquired other land-holdings for the provision of housing, supporting agriculture, and supporting cultural institutions. The lands initially given to OHA were originally crown lands of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi, which had gone through various forms of public ownership since the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

OHA is a semi-autonomous government body administered by a nine-member board of trustees, elected by the people of the State of Hawaiʻi through popular suffrage.

en.wikipedia.org...
(I'd link you to OHA, but the site is down for maintenance.)

so you don't know?

The majority of slaves (at the time slavery was legal in the USA) were traded by Arab and Jewish slave traders. A very small number ended up in the US. In the Western hemisphere, most ended up in South America. And many of the slaves were Irish. Native Americans also kept and traded slaves. Some of the first American slave owners were black. Black tribes in Africa sold fellow blacks into slavery, and transported them from inland to the slave ships on the coasts. Slavery is still practiced in Muslim countries, and there are open air slave markets in Northern Africa. There's also a massive international trade in sex-slaves (including children). Exactly what are the boundaries on this "reparations" idea? Or is it just another race grift?

The "descendants of slaves" should be flown to Africa to visit their original tribes. When they return, they should be required to pay a monthly fee (in perpetuity) to the "descendants of slave traders" as a way of saying thanks for being rescued from the hell that is tribal life on the Dark Continent. And they should have to pay a second fee for trying to confiscate the hard-earned money of working people through the "white people made us slaves" grift/lie.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

I don't know anything about Black Lives Matter and the money they raised or where it went. I just know that we did it for the Native Americans, the Hawaiians and the Japanese. Why not have a fund for slave decedents and those harmed by racism, like the victims' of the Tulsa Massacre families.

Like I said, it would be completely up them to decide who qualifies, how much and how the benefits are distributed, if such benefits were to be extended by a state or the federal government.

I'm not really advocating for it, but since we're discussing it, I'm not really opposed to it either. I can see the logic and the merit.

where does the money come from?

The Native Americans were given land and the ability to operate casinos. The Hawaiians were given land to manage, through a trust called the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.

OHA was given control over certain public lands, and acquired other land-holdings for the provision of housing, supporting agriculture, and supporting cultural institutions. The lands initially given to OHA were originally crown lands of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi, which had gone through various forms of public ownership since the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

OHA is a semi-autonomous government body administered by a nine-member board of trustees, elected by the people of the State of Hawaiʻi through popular suffrage.

en.wikipedia.org...
(I'd link you to OHA, but the site is down for maintenance.)

so you don't know?

I'm not a representative or an advocate for any group lobbying for reparations for Black people. This is an ATS thread, not a press release. I'm just an ATS poster, like yourself, posting my opinions on the topic at hand.

I showed you how our country has made up for their mistakes in the past.

In 1988, President Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act to compensate more than 100,000 people of Japanese descent who were incarcerated in internment camps during World War II. The legislation offered a formal apology and paid out $20,000 in compensation to each surviving victim.

www.npr.org...#:~

No, I don't know what pocket Reagon pulled the money from.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I wonder how many surviving victims got $20,000?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So, American citizens that were falsely imprisoned during WW2 getting compensated = African Americans getting reparations for being black?

That math don't add up.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The Native Americans were given land and the ability to operate casinos. The Hawaiians were given land to manage, through a trust called the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.

.... and black people in America have been given billions in aid, special programs, government assistance, free schooling, low income housing, low income medical care etc etc. And now they have black privilege and DEI where they get jobs they are not qualified for and that other people are more qualified for, and if anyone complains they get in trouble.

They don't help themselves. 70% of black children are born to single parents who can't afford them. Black Americans are five times more likely to commit a crime and go to jail than white people.

Black Americans were never slaves. Nor were their parents. Nor their grandparents. Nor their great grandparents. There are government programs in place to help them but they have to help themselves as well and not expect free money simply for having darker skin.

In WW2 the Germans bombed our chip shop. I want reparations. The biggest problem is just how far back in history do you want to go because virtually everyone's descendants in the world today has been subjugated/enslaved/put on by some other entity. In the UK, in the "dark ages" we payed (By todays terms) billions/trillions in Danegeld to the Vikings, so by the reparation route we should be asking the Nordic countries for reparations.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Black Americans were never slaves. Nor were their parents. Nor their grandparents. Nor their great grandparents.

I would agree with you if we were only talking about slavery. If, when slavery ended, Black people would have truly been treated equally, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But when slavery ended Black weren't suddenly equal.

Jim Crow laws were imposed along with whole neighborhoods burned, and there were lynchings, The times of "Strange Fruit".


(Billy Holiday was arrested for singing that song in public)

Black people weren't allowed to migrate to many western states, some states-imposed segregation. There was "red-ling", food desserts and zip-code bail, along with the student to prison pipelines, racist police brutality. And don't forget, the Federal Government paid for and distributed crack coc aine to inner city kids and adults, on purpose!

Face it, slavery isn't the only issue here.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Black people weren't allowed to migrate to many western states, some states-imposed segregation. There was "red-ling", food desserts and zip-code bail, along with the student to prison pipelines, racist police brutality. And don't forget, the Federal Government paid for and distributed crack coc aine to inner city kids and adults, on purpose!

Those dastardly Democrats and their Jim Crow laws

Those Dastardly Democrats and their KKK

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Don't forget about the Southern strategy

Southern strategy, in the political history of the United States, a campaign strategy of the Republican Party, actively pursued from the 1960s, that initially sought to increase and preserve support from white voters in the South by subtly endorsing racial segregation, racial discrimination, and the disenfranchisement of Black voters. The strategy has also involved directly promoting conservative views on immigration, taxes, social welfare programs, law enforcement, and states’ rights.

And the crack coc aine epidemic was instigated under Ronald Reagan's watch.

It will never work... to many people in the US had families come long after slavery was over, why should they pay for it?

What percentage of african american is acceptable to qaulify?

At what point is a company no longer able to be held liable for their actions long before anyone that is currently working there was born?

The entire idea is a huge failure in logic and critical thinking, and only done with feelings, lot of folks need to grow up.

ETA: what about asians do they pay?

Latino do they pay?

People that escaped from the former soviet union after the wall came down, some of them are pretty dark as well do they pay?

Stupid idea is still stupid.

So the cia controls all blacks everywhere on the planet?

In Africa on every little salty island? Why is it the same story everywhere? Why no thrival? Why always tribal?
Absolutely pound sand.


I don’t believe blacks are owed anything. I don’t believe the cia or fbi are the good guys now anymore then before.

Nope not one single black American alive today deserves one single penny. Same with natives same with any race or group of people who try’s to grift off the tragic pasts of their ancestors.

Such a completely foreign idea to me that I should be owed anything for the misjudgment and injustice that happend to my ancestors. That somehow the terrible things that happend to Oma and Opa directly affect me.(they don’t) I can pretend they do but they don’t. No bearing at all. I am free to thrive and strive and change and grow despite nazi German occupation of the Netherlands 80 years ago.(much much much much more recent then slavery.

But yet oma and Opa moved on with nothing to no where(deep northern Canada in the 60s)and thrived. All their kids thrived and I thrive. From nothing.

Blacks can do the same. They choice is made everyday not to.

a reply to: Sookiechacha