Republican group doubles down on racism... and slavery?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

This doesn't have anything to do with the Trump family. This is all about right wing Marxists, wanting to create lower classes of US citizens, who have less rights than other "True" Americans, based on a parent's birthplace and citizenship.

These are same extreme right-wing Marxists that want to elevate the class status of a fertilized egg over the status of a girl/woman, giving the contents of her uterus more rights than her.

a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

Hit a nerve, did I?

a reply to: RazorV66

Is Donald Trump Jr a "True American", eligible to run for federal office, even the President of the United States in your book, even though his foreigner mother was not an American Citizen at the time of his birth? Or is he just as ineligible as Barrack Obama was?

What say you Razor? Are you a Marxist too, like Sour Grapes?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Kamala Harris' great, great, great grandmother was raped by Kamala' Harris' great, great, great grandfather, who owned slaves.

got any proof besides word of mouth. cause that's all that is.
the records that claim comes from are freely edited in jamaica and kam a la's daddy is credited as being a source for some of the editing.

you should read both of these seeing how their the lefts favorite fact checking mouthpieces, that do get it right every now and then.

this from Politifact in Aug 2020

To cut to the chase: We found a lineage seemingly connecting Hamilton Brown to Kamala Harris. But the family tree we traced it on has a number of holes and inconsistencies, and it was created by FamilySearch users, some of whom were actively editing it as we reported this story. While we found corroborating records for some of the relationships, we couldn’t confirm all of them. And some of the sources used to build this family tree aren’t official documents. Donald Harris’ essay is among the sources cited.

Looking at claims Kamala Harris is the descendant of a slave owner

and snopes need i say more about them.
from july 2019 need i say more.

However, we have been unable to verify that a line of descent exists between the modern-day Harris family and the 19th-century slave owner. As such, the claim that an ancestor of Sen. Harris owned slaves in Jamaica remains unproven. If evidence emerges that verifies that line of descent, we will update this fact check accordingly.

Did U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris' Ancestor Own Slaves in Jamaica?

a reply to: Mahogani

BS. I have asked you numerous times in numerous threads to name or show ANYTHING in Project 2025 that would remove a constitutional right. You can't.

Trumps has an agenda. Agenda 47. Read it.

a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

new words

It's a real thing. I like learning new words too (that is if they are easy to understand).

So the term was coined by Samuel Francis.
This from noted conservative publication National Review.

These right-wing Marxists are anything but conservative. In the past, luminaries of the conservative movement, like Russell Kirk and William F. Buckley, grounded their philosophy in the tenets of the American founding. They celebrated the Constitution, endorsed the free market, and staunchly opposed totalitarianism. But right-wing Marxists believe that “the right should become the vanguard of an American proletarian movement,” as Lucchese puts it. Francis himself gave this idea a noxious racial dimension, preferring alienated whites as his proletariat to revolt against the “regime.” These thinkers consider conservative admiration for Ronald Reagan misguided, and find reverence toward the Founding a dead letter. True American conservatism can — and must — do better than this.
Reject Right-Wing Marxism

MAGA Populism = Right-Wing Marxism

That's why regular Republicans are called RINOs by the Trump Davidians and company.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

Oh okay. So even though her father believes it to be true, you just don't know whether Kamala Harris' ancestor was a white Irish slave owner, or not. Not enough evidence on paper for you.

But if he was, then can we agree that the slave owner had sex with a slave who had no ability to "consent", that resulted, finally, in Kamala's dad's birth?

Although, personally it doesn't matter to me that peoples' ancestors were slave owners. Mine were, on my Scotch / Irish side of the family.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

But if he was, then can we agree that the slave owner had sex with a slave who had no ability to "consent", that resulted, finally, in Kamala's dad's birth?

no we can't agree on that, especially when you try to use it as a talking point to try and sell something as a achievement from the roots of their family when word of mouth is known to be very unreliable and people willy nilly editing records.

it's no better than a lie.

a reply to: FullHeathen

Some mid wit journalist concocting a talking point for you doesn't magically make it a thing.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

I'm not trying to sell anything. Fact is, most "part white" descendants of slave owners were the product of non-consensual sex, or rape.

I certainly don't see that as a selling point for "KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT".

it's no better than a lie.

Kamala Harris family tree, on her father's side, is a Jamaican mystery to you. But you seem really offended by the suggestion, from her father, that her father's side of the family tree might have included white slave owner, which would indicate, if true, that they are a product of rape.

a reply to: FullHeathen

That's why regular Republicans are called RINOs by the Trump Davidians and company.

the word RINOwas coined in the 90's and was being used before Trump ran the in 2016 and MAGA was coined. and their mostly all the usual suspects.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

It doesn't matter the year a derogatory term "RINO" was coined. What matters is that Right Wing Marxist are obviously using the term/tactic to try to classify certain groups as "real Americans", or "real Republicans" and others of a class that is "less than" "true American" or true Republican" to intimidate, alienate and render them less politically powerful.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm not trying to sell anything

yes you are, your trying to sell that her heritage is exactly what all the claims are which there is no verifiable proof of that.

Fact is, most "part white" descendants of slave owners were the product of non-consensual sex, or rape.

i never said they weren't, and i also know it's a known fact that it happened and was sometimes kept hidden.

Kamala Harris family tree, on her father's side, is a Jamaican mystery to you. But you seem really offended by the suggestion, from her father, that her father's side of the famiily might have include white slave owner, which would indicate, if true, that they are a product of rape.

no what is offensive is that they state it as a fact, which they can't prove or it be dis proven. and she and her supporters use it like a badge of honor, to score points with liberals and DEI cultist like yourself.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

the word RINOwas coined in the 90's and was being used before Trump

Yes. And people knew that Trump was more Democrat before he ran. That's why he was labelled a RINO. Then he won the Presidency and became the Republican Party. Now non-Trumpists are the RINOs.

But anyway, this Sam Francis guy, white nationalist, is the key to understanding how an Atheist like Spencer could start the [ alt-right ] movement.

Although Francis sometimes engaged with Christian thinkers and publications during his life, he was also harshly critical of Christianity in his later years and his worldview has been described as irreligious and materialistic. Francis wrote that "Christianity today is the enemy of the West and the race that created it" and suggested that the "religious wrong" operated under a "false consciousness" that prevented white Christians from recognizing their true interests. Because of this, he has been cited as part of a trend toward increasingly "secular, even pagan" ideas among certain segments of the American radical right.Sam_Francis

Many avowed atheists, present and past ATS posters, are all in on MAGA.

I guess when it comes to power politics, strange bedfellows ensue. White nationalist, Christian Nationalist, White Christian Nationalists. Maybe Western Civilization Nationalism is enough for atheists and Neo-Pagans to join the orgy.

What was Spencer's slogan: "You can't build or keep Western Civilization (European) with somebody else's kids."

a reply to: BernnieJGato

yes you are, your trying to sell that her heritage is exactly what all the claims are which there is no verifiable proof of that.

I replied to ColeYounger's post's claim that "Kamala Harris is a descendant of an Irish slave owner in Jamaica"

originally posted by: ColeYounger2
Since you brought up slavery:

Donald Trump is the only living US president whose ancestors didn't own slaves


Oops!
Kamala Harris is a descendant of an Irish slave owner in Jamaica

I replied:

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ColeYounger2

Kamala Harris' great, great, great grandmother was raped by Kamala' Harris' great, great, great grandfather, who owned slaves.

Your problem is with ColeYounger's claim and citation not having enough proof, not that slave owners raped their female slaves, and those slaves gave birth to "part white" offspring.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Link

So, all these people are lying?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Link

So, all these people are lying?

Lying about what?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Her father, and his lineage that told him where he came from. Are they all lying?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Your problem is with ColeYounger's claim and citation not having enough proof, not that slave owners raped their female slaves, and those slaves gave birth to "part white" offspring.

no he posted the link for the claim, you parroted the claim like it was a a proven variable fact, or gospel, from records that have holes in them, and can be edited by any tom, dick, or donald.


here are your words again,

Kamala Harris' great, great, great grandmother was raped by Kamala' Harris' great, great, great grandfather, who owned slaves.

for all we know she could have hooked up with a field hand, and when she swole up told her owner it was his baby to keep from being beaten or killed, it has been known to happen, and the story never got changed

a reply to: BernnieJGato

People keep bringing that history up as some sort of "gotcha" on ATS as a swipe at Harris. That point is made numerous times here.

Why you would think a slave would have to lie about being pregnant by another slave is not likely. Slave owners loved getting more free property through child birth. If the claim is true, then it is likely as Sookie stated. Not a love match but rape. Again, not a good "gotcha" point.

And again, she did not bring it up, but noted that would be through rape. Not a love match. The descendent was noted to be extremely cruel to his slaves and very much against abolitionist.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

no he posted the link for the claim, you parroted the claim like it was a a proven variable fact

ColeYounger posted links as "gotcha" proven facts:

originally posted by: ColeYounger2
Since you brought up slavery:

Donald Trump is the only living US president whose ancestors didn't own slaves


Oops!
Kamala Harris is a descendant of an Irish slave owner in Jamaica

Kamala Harris' family, on her father's side, claims to be descendants of the white slave owner. It is a FACT that slave owners raped female slaves, and those slaves gave birth to part white offsprings.

Can you offer another scenario how a black child became a descendant of a slave owner?