Happening Now: RFK Jr. speaks amid speculation he'll drop out of presidential race

a reply to: CriticalStinker

This argument, which I've also long supported, eroded with the rise of Trump.

Like him or hate him he is clearly desired by voters of no small number.

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: wAnchorofCarp
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Despite our opinions, democracy has been taken off the table and it's not looking great for keeping a Republic either where somewhere around 50 percent of voters side with communism.....

I see what you're sayin' but to me it is more a product of the msm, big tech and the deepstate working together to create a massive pysop of propaganda. If people really saw the democrats for what they are Trump would win in a landslide. Just imagine if the msm, big tech and the deepstate were working together to help Trump, it wouldn't be close yet even with that help Kamala is losing.

While I agree, eliminating the astro turfing social media in conjunction with MSM to favor the Democrats currently isn't on the table.


......for now.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

🤣🤣 OK. Compromise integrity to get the win? Got it. I mean Vance did the same, so shouldn't be unexpected. It's about gaining power they want, not the country or people. Got it.

When Harris was for a total fracking ban, but now?

When Harris was for mandatory gun buy-backs but now?

When Harris was for single-payer healthcare but now?

lol

a reply to: Moon68

I can absolutely see how it could be discussed that her policies are anti free market and horrible ideas.

But if we’re saying it’s communism, I find that a bit hyperbolic, just like I find it hyperbolic the left claims Trump is a fascist.

Using the greatly exaggerated buzz words stifles real conversation. You see it here, people get so convinced a politician is communist or a Nazi, so anyone in favor of said politician is just labeled as such by association.

The threads often just turn into people calling other members Marxist and such, so there’s no opportunity to really discuss things in good faith.

a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

Every style of government has struggled with that. Doesn’t make them communists, it makes them authoritarian, which again, every style has struggled with.

I agree they’ve weaponized aspects of the legal system though.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

Every style of government has struggled with that. Doesn’t make them communists, it makes them authoritarian, which again, every style has struggled with.

I agree they’ve weaponized aspects of the legal system though.

Now let's add up all the examples provided and what do we get?

a reply to: frogs453

No one has plans to "snatch patents" willy nilly.

government retained its right to “march-in” if a product was not being offered to the market on “reasonable” terms.

Kamala will gladly decide for you what is reasonable or not.

“I have the will to do it”- Kamala

originally posted by: wAnchorofCarp

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

Every style of government has struggled with that. Doesn’t make them communists, it makes them authoritarian, which again, every style has struggled with.

I agree they’ve weaponized aspects of the legal system though.

Now let's add up all the examples provided and what do we get?

An overly involved government on the market.

Communism means no market at all, no businesses at all. Every means of production is performed by the government.

The better example would be socialist. But it would depend on if there was actually huge changes to the mechanisms of the market.

a reply to: Vermilion

I hope my life saving medication doesn't get caught up in this battle over patient rights Kamala Harris wants to start.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

By the time we could call the left "communists" we won't be able to.

lol

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: wAnchorofCarp

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

Every style of government has struggled with that. Doesn’t make them communists, it makes them authoritarian, which again, every style has struggled with.

I agree they’ve weaponized aspects of the legal system though.

Now let's add up all the examples provided and what do we get?

An overly involved government on the market.

Communism means no market at all, no businesses at all. Every means of production is performed by the government.

The better example would be socialist. But it would depend on if there was actually huge changes to the mechanisms of the market.

There is quite literally a Democrat socialist party that holds govt power.

But back to the main point:
No market at all: we can look back to 2008 for indications if how true this can be

No business at all: all business relies in obeying some measure of licensure, regulation and of course taxes. Which will increase under Heiress as they have under Biden.


Every means of production is performed by the government: while complex it's much easier just to offshore it these days....

I don't know if I'm convincing you but perhaps I moved the needle even if only a small amount.

Using the greatly exaggerated buzz words stifles real conversation. You see it here, people get so convinced a politician is communist or a Nazi, so anyone in favor of said politician is just labeled as such by association.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

While we disagree on things I have come around to your level headedness. To me the way Trump interperts things in his own way or exagerates here and there overall he does not lie as the msm claims he does. In the Kamala DNC speech she claimed project 2025, eliminate social security, tax hikes and drive us to war were all things Trump would bring-total projection, lies. When Kamala/Biden defended eliminating school loans even though the SCOTUS ruled the contrary. If not communist then what would you call that? Either way to me despotism, socialism, facism etc all lead to communism.
I do appreciate your viewpoint even if I disagree.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

By the time we could call the left "communists" we won't be able to.

lol

We’ve been hearing that kind of rhetoric since the Cold War, and yet here we are.

Personally I think it’s more productive if everyone allows themselves to look at things issue by issue instead of defaulting to two ideologies that are very similar.

They’ve both helped an insane consolidation of industry to a handful of corporations. They’ve done so through means that are the antithesis of libertarian, free market, or anything we associate with founding principles of the country.

To point that out doesn’t imply someone is socialist or communist. I think most socialist actions have been the government bailing out said entities, and even buying their bonds and stocks. That’s more of a true definition as it’s the government/people controlling the means of production through ownership in the companies.

I’m not arguing that Harris will do anything to help this, I’ve said multiple times her policy looks disastrous. But I don’t think cherry picking elements to declare communism helps the discourse either. No more than the left constantly falling back on project 2025 to illustrate their narrative.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

By the time we could call the left "communists" we won't be able to.

lol

We’ve been hearing that kind of rhetoric since the Cold War, and yet here we are.

And look at where we are versus back 40 years ago.

Active censorship by government proxies in social media, draconian lockdowns by local and state governments, the push for mandatory vaccinations, the literal gaslighting done by the Biden/Harris administration, the media, on the border and economy and foreign policy.

originally posted by: frogs453


No one has plans to "snatch patents" willy nilly.

What stops her from snatching by EO? Democrats have often times EO'd illegally anyway and did the damage until the Courts strike it down. ☠️

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I would call it socialist leaning.

To me communism is to socialist as fascist is to nationalism.

They’re both the extreme to something that is already existing everywhere. Socialism and nationalism aren’t necessarily bad words in my opinion. Socialist policies are effective in some countries who still are democratic and capitalist. I think it works in those countries because they’re not a melting pot to the same degree we are.

Ironically it makes it easier for them because of national and ethnic pride. They also have smaller systems, so the butterfly effect doesn’t blind side them as much.

I don’t think that would scale here, so I’ve never voted in favor of said policies, but that doesn’t mean they need to be off limits for discussion, or branded as evil. Just like nationalism shouldn’t be, pride in one’s country isn’t evil. Both can turn into something bad when too extreme though.

a reply to: DBCowboy

We’ve also seen a stifling of competition by propping up the large corporations that can act as a proxy to the government. There’s a strong relationship between those entities and both parties.

For the past few decades it’s rare that people can even say with a straight face their option is good, just that the other option is worse.

originally posted by: wAnchorofCarp
a reply to: CriticalStinker

This argument, which I've also long supported, eroded with the rise of Trump.

Like him or hate him he is clearly desired by voters of no small number.

When the answer to that is lawfare, jail and ballot removal, I'm going to go ahead and call them communists.

Brutal Fact: RFK Jr. received more votes from Americans in the 2024 primaries, than Democrat nominee Kamala Harris did, in the 2020 and the 2024 primaries...combined.

Kamala = Loser = The Best Democrats Could Do!
🤡

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I would call it socialist leaning.

LoL
Did you manage to type that with a straight face?

Kamala’s father was a Marxian economist.
It doesn’t take a genius to recognize where she gets her “economic policy” from.

Let’s call it by its real name and stop changing definitions for things to make them more palatable.
A polished turd is still a turd.

a reply to: Vermilion

Did you manage to type that with a straight face?

Yes, because they’re two different things.

As to her father, that’s her father.

Trump used to be a Democrat and people are OK with his position now. I think a child can be different from their parent.