Military build up Iran

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

We didn't send two carrier groups. Lincoln is accelerating her arrival, but she just left Guam on the 8th. That puts her 10 days to two weeks out from the region. Once she's there Roosevelt will depart for home. But it's not unheard of to have two carrier groups in the region. Or even three. Carriers aren't going to go in alone, and there would be a significantly larger build up if something was about to happen.

a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

They always make it through Iron Dome. Interception systems like Iron Dome, and Patriot, and every other system aren't designed to stop 100% of inbound fire. They prioritize threats, and intercept anything that will threaten the target they're protecting. If you put Iron Dome on a military base, it's going to protect that base. If a rocket is inbound, and the track shows it's going to land on a remote area of the base, or just outside the base, Iron Dome isn't going to attempt to stop it.

a reply to: kwaka

Yeah, they still do. Hypersonic missiles are overhyped, and aren't the massive threat they're made out to be. There are currently no hypersonic missiles that are hypersonic through every aspect of flight. Every hypersonic missile that's currently in service slows for the terminal phase, and becomes supersonic, making it easier to intercept. The same with UAVs. A large UAV is a fairly easy target for the escorts that are with the carrier, or even the carrier's terminal defenses. The small UAVs that we've been seeing in Ukraine aren't going to have the range to get to the carrier.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I listened to some of the Musk/Trump interview and when Trump suggested the possibility of a some sort of Iron Dome system for the United States, I couldn't help but laugh just a little.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

This would be interesting if found to be true. It's been a long time since anyone other than the US or Israel had a big military presence in the middle east.

a reply to: HatesFreshAir

For sure, the tribal wars have never stopped.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Iran likely has to do something since one of their allies got assassinated in their capitol right after their presidential inauguration.

Question is, will it be theatrical like last time where they give a heads up and almost all of it gets intercepted? Or do they take the gloves off and get Hezbollah to wear down the iron dome before the big stuff?

I'm wondering if they know Iran has a Nuke and this is a statement "Don't do it"

Word on the dusty streets of Tehran suggests Pakistan has delivered two nuclear warheads to Iran. WHO knows if that’s true. I imagine US intelligence would know, hence the nuke sub in the Med. Can’t see Iran starting that show to be honest. They must know that they would be glassed.

a reply to: ARM19688

Georgia isn't a nuke sub. She was one of the OMFG boats that were turned into SSGNs, and had their Tridents replaced with Tomahawks in a seven shot launcher per tube, for a total of 154 at max loadout. She can also carry up to 66 Special Operations troops, and put the out into the water through a special docking port that fits on her back and acts as an airlock system.

a reply to: Boomer1947

I cant figure out why we dont just strike Irans mullahs. we know they fund hamas and other groups and are behind alot of attacks,so WHY dont we eliminate them?

a reply to: charlest2

That would be a hell of a system to build. We'd need hundreds of launchers and radars, and too bad it wouldn't work against any real missile threat to the US.

I mean, really, are they all just posturing? Aren't retaliatory strikes usually immediate?

originally posted by: quintessentone
I mean, really, are they all just posturing? Aren't retaliatory strikes usually immediate?

Only when national suicide is not on the table. Too much internal strife and debate in Iran for immediate strikes. The Iranian President has been begging the mullahs and IRGC not to retaliate with a direct assault on Israel. He knows this is all cheese and bait with enemies in the West that are so advanced that the Iranian's don't stand a chance. At the very least Iran will lose it's military capability and most of its nuke sites. At the worst an internal uprising (already going on) will be sparked by western attacks, change the coarse of Iran and bring it back into the modern world through revolution. The very worst of coarse is attack by nukes, something that can't be ruled out if something terrible is done to Israel. Iran's leader must respond to Haniyeh's assassination yet getting it wrong might mean national suicide. All Iranian's have ever seen of Israeli, British and US intervention in the ME is done with 'hearts and minds' attitude. The President and his moderates know that if the gloves ever actually came off then it's game over for the Iranian experiment.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

they they might if they got a few from russia, the head of the new axis of evil.

russia, china, iran, opps i forgot little kim the rocket man.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I think many people believe that Iran is a country divided by Fundamentalists on one side and Reformists who desire a certain amount of relaxation of Islamic law etc.
But its far more complicated than that with many different factions vying for power and influence.

I've lawys been concerned about the influence of The Haghani Circle and the followers of the Hojjatie Society that have infiltrated all aspects of Iranian government, Army, Republican Guard, Judiciary etc.

Whereas even the fundamentalist supporters of Khomeini believed The Mahdi would reveal himself as the result of the natural course of events, The Hojjatie/Haghani etc believe in forcing The Mahdi out of occultation by manipulating events and forcing confrontation.

Since the fall of Ahmadinejad their influence has waned but it could be on the upsurge again.

Lets hope the more sensible factions - Yes, its very much a relative thing - hold sway and there is no major excalation.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Mantiss2021

they they might if they got a few from russia, the head of the new axis of evil.

russia, china, iran, opps i forgot little kim the rocket man.

First,

Nuclear weapons are not like conventional weapons in that a ("dumb") bomb is a bomb, and as long as you have an aircraft that can carry and drop it, you're good to go.

Nuclear weapons are actually entire systems, specifically designed to operate together, to enable a detonation (or, more precisely, to prevent an accidental detonation).

You can't just hang a nuclear bomb off any old plane, or bolt a nuclear warhead onto any missile, and declare yourself a "Nuclear Power".

So, if any country decided to "gift" Iran nuclear weapons, it would have required the transfer of a enterprise nuclear weapon system to support the weapon itself.

A transfer that would not have gone unnoticed by intelligence agencies around the world.


Second,


If Iran had been given a nuclear capability by some other nation, and had the audacity to launch an attack with said weapon(s), that foreign nation would most likely be identified by the "signature" of its weapons fissile residue.

That country, itself, would then become a legitimate target for nuclear retaliation by both Isreal, and her allies.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Only if the weapon was specifically designed to be deployed via that method.

There are ancillary systems required to maintain the device (primarily conditioned power), insure that the device is not accidentally armed, and can be deactivated safely should the need arise. Then there is the question of efficacy.

If the device is to remain in the shipping container, as a "self-contained" system, it would most likely be detonated on the ground; a very "dirty", but less efficient, and less effective, strategy. Especially if your arsenal is limited.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter



I've lawys been concerned about the influence of The Haghani Circle and the followers of the Hojjatie Society that have infiltrated all aspects of Iranian government, Army, Republican Guard, Judiciary etc.

Whereas even the fundamentalist supporters of Khomeini believed The Mahdi would reveal himself as the result of the natural course of events, The Hojjatie/Haghani etc believe in forcing The Mahdi out of occultation by manipulating events and forcing confrontation.

Holy smoke FB that's pretty interesting and something to read up on

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

It's a rabbit hole I went down a few years ago trying to understand the internal workings of Iran.

The Iranian people - or Persians as they prefer to be called - are a lovely people. I'm fortunate to know a few. Granted, they have chosen to live here in the UK because they don't agree with the current regime but they are very proud of their history and culture - as we all should be.
They are all Muslims, but many in name only and they are all hard working, respectful people who don't seek to impose their beliefs on anyone. Obviously the same can't be said about all Iranians especially those still living in Iran.

It was them who first told me about the different factions in Iran.

I found it incredibly interesting to find out and understand how their government works and how all the different groups interacted, I forget some of the in's and out's of it now - advancing years my friend.

At the moment the relative 'moderates' are more or less in control but there are those who are determined to prevent what they perceive to be a move towards a more liberalised, and dare I say it, modern and 'Western' society, even though that may seem crazy by our standards.

But in my opinion, by the biggest danger is posed by those who passionately believe in forcing The Mahdi out of Occultation by creating division and conflict with Islam's 'enemies' by whatever means necessary.
Even though it is alleged that The Hojjatei/Haghani Circle no longer exist, proponents of their beliefs have infiltrated almost every level of The Republican Guard/Judiciary/ Government etc and they passionately believe that a major conflict will bring about the return of The Mahdi and a subsequent global Islamic Caliphate.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter



But in my opinion, by the biggest danger is posed by those who passionately believe in forcing The Mahdi out of Occultation by creating division and conflict with Islam's 'enemies' by whatever means necessary.
Even though it is alleged that The Hojjatei/Haghani Circle no longer exist, proponents of their beliefs have infiltrated almost every level of The Republican Guard/Judiciary/ Government etc and they passionately believe that a major conflict will bring about the return of The Mahdi and a subsequent global Islamic Caliphate.

Wowzers FB this sounds great fun. Sort of connects the UFOs and strange stuff maybe. Sounds like a great monster movie in the making if Hollywood need some new material. "Forcing the Mahdi out of Occultation" is totally over my simple brain yet sounds great fun in an adventure sort of way. The Goonies movie comes to mind though I guess it's a bit more serious