The threat of Communism is driving support to Trump.

a reply to: watchitburn

For the moment, imagine that you see all DEI as Marxist and Maoist. Imagine that you see AOC and the squad as communists. Imagine that what you see in terms of 'social justice' or 'wokeness' or 'Postmodernism' or 'Gender affirming healthcare' or 'Palestinian Genocide' or 'Soros open society initiatives' or 'progressive DAs' or 'Anti-Whiteness' or 'defund the police' is straight up precursor to *violent* revolutionary Marxism.

Well I probably wouldn't call AOC communist but she's definitely socialist and I would even label her far-left. The left keeps moving further left, and the end point of that trajectory is communism. I also consider most woke agendas to be some form of Socialism or Marxism, it's all based on the same mentality. And lets take something like defunding the police, that's almost a form of extremism in my opinion because any civilized society needs a good police force to protect them from criminals. If they had called it "reform the police" then I would say they actually have a point, but they always have to take things to ridiculous extremes and allow emotions to override logic.

DEI initiatives are equally if not more dangerous for society because instead of choosing people based on merit and skills, they are hiring based on skin color or gender. Isn't it called discrimination when people are chosen based on things like age or appearance? Yet it's somehow fine in the mind of a modern leftist when it's done in the name of social justice. That's what it always come back to... justice for society, and who could argue against that? The path to hell is paved by good intentions. Even in this thread someone implied that Trump getting elected would cause higher grocery bills, which perfectly demonstrates most people have no clue Why Increased Socialism Leads to Increased Prices.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

Right, but his campaign was just as much about calling the right out as the left. Remember the primaries? He railed into them.

So if that was his strategy, and it didn’t work when it came time to getting them on board, who does that fall on?

And ultimately, if that term was about spinning tires, musical chairs in the cabinet, and finishing up with the largest debt for a single term, do we still chalk it up as a good presidency?

For me personally the answer is no. We haven’t had a good president in this millennium. It’s been one blunder after the next. The current and last president have almost doubled the debt in 8 short years.

It was at 5 trillion going into 2000, now it’s at 35 trillion.

And while both parties try to point the blame, the only thing that rings true is they’ve had about equal time at the helm through that period. That speaks volume to me about the fiscal responsibility of either side.

I get it CS, I'm not a fan of Trump, pretty much because of his divisiveness

but I know Biden isn't capable of 1 year much less 4, which leaves us Harris likely, BTW Biden's assistant today said Biden is not withdrawing. Biden, were you thrilled by Biden's Presidency? Where exactly was his leadership unifying and where did we get lower consumer prices anywhere

so those are the choices amigo, I'd love for it to be RFKjr but that isn't happening either.

So all things being equal I can understand and even appreciate how much was thrown at Trump, and the RNC couldn't find a challenger either.

Lastly, I'd add Trump's First Step Act was historic exceedingly bipartisan, and could have been accomplished by any number of Presidents before him.

www.bop.gov...

Not exactly seeing that kind of far-reaching BiPARTISAN legislation from Biden, well unless we include the far-reaching open border policies, and Im for immigration just legal measured and controlled immigration.

ie they both at best spun thier wheels, NO DOUBT though Trump had a tougher row to hoe, MSM makes excuses for Biden, covers up for him, and edits interviews. It wasn't the same in any way shape or form.

7 years here is Trump standing again as the Republican nominee, while in Biden's 3 1/2 years a significant portion of his former allies want him to disappear.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What will most assuredly cause inflation...

Former President Donald Trump is campaigning on a pledge to end the "inflation nightmare," vowing that if he wins a second term, he'll bring down prices "very quickly." And if that scenario came to pass, it would be cheered by the millions of Americans who say higher costs remain a major problem.

There's only one problem: Key policies that undergird so-called Trumponomics — a combination of tariffs, tax cuts and a crackdown on immigration — are likely to cause a flare-up in inflation, according to many Wall Street economists. That would be a painful outcome for consumers and businesses sapped by more than two years of surging prices. More broadly, renewed inflationary pressures would also come as inflation is finally inching closer to the Federal Reserve's goal of 2% per year.

If consumers "are upset now, they will be hopping mad a year from now" about inflation if Trump wins and enacts his policies, Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics and co-author of a June report on the macroeconomic impacts of either a Trump or Biden win in November, told CBS MoneyWatch.

Expand article logo Continue reading
Zandi, who has previously advised presidential candidates from both parties, said he's not advising either campaign in the current race.

"What he's proposing on tariffs is way beyond anything he did in his first administration," Coronado noted. "He's proposing blanket tariffs on all imports, and especially severe tariffs on China — that passes onto consumers immediately."

www.msn.com...

Just another analyst saying the same thing.

a reply to: putnam6

lol, I think we can all agree the thought of Biden continuing his tenure is an absolute joke.

It’s incredible to even see people who are vehemently on the left talk about how they’re being cheated by a party, and candidate who are basically seeing the polls, and going directly against the wishes of not just the base, but the nation in saying “we know best, we’re doing this because we know best”. Utterly tone deaf.

What concerns me about all of this just being so far from ideal, is it makes it easier for partisans to paint these pictures of how you have to just add sugar to the medicine, pinch your nose and make a choice.

It’s also scary how they’ll use fear to basically validate their poor performance.

So on the left they point to abortion and project 2025, and the right will point towards immigration and the deterioration of the current president… then they’ll grasp at straws to show how they’re somehow morally right even though they’ve both been selling out the country year after year, candidate after candidate.

I don’t know how we bounce back from this race to the bottom in politics. Where we’ve gotten is just to a place where neither side can be effective in any meaningful way because of the divide.

a reply to: quintessentone

according to many Wall Street economists

Lmao... I've heard that before. Trump probably has more real world experience than all of them put together. Not to mention he proved for a fact that his policies can work before Covid-19 mysteriously leaked from a lab and shut down the global economy right before an election. What happened a few days ago will propel us into a future a million times better than the alternative, unless the far-left truly loses the plot and does something insane.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

lol, I think we can all agree the thought of Biden continuing his tenure is an absolute joke.

It’s incredible to even see people who are vehemently on the left talk about how they’re being cheated by a party, and candidate who are basically seeing the polls, and going directly against the wishes of not just the base, but the nation in saying “we know best, we’re doing this because we know best”. Utterly tone deaf.

What concerns me about all of this just being so far from ideal, is it makes it easier for partisans to paint these pictures of how you have to just add sugar to the medicine, pinch your nose and make a choice.

It’s also scary how they’ll use fear to basically validate their poor performance.

So on the left they point to abortion and project 2025, and the right will point towards immigration and the deterioration of the current president… then they’ll grasp at straws to show how they’re somehow morally right even though they’ve both been selling out the country year after year, candidate after candidate.

I don’t know how we bounce back from this race to the bottom in politics. Where we’ve gotten is just to a place where neither side can be effective in any meaningful way because of the divide.

I wish we had better candidates, hell I wish we weren't stuck in the 2 party system.

Respectfully Biden's deterioration is real and undeniable, and most agree open borders weren't the best for our border communities at the very least so those topics are more than semi-legit when we are gearing up for the final push.

If fear of Project 2025 makes you vote for an eggplant you get what you deserve. FWIW 90% of their bullet points will never get passed even if Trump backed them all, it's not popular even among moderate Republicans pretty much the same goes for abortion.

I didn't agree with the repeal of Roe vs Wade, what it did do is put the onus on the states till it can be figured out Federally. FWIW Trump said he would NOT stand in the way of the "Abortion Pill" which would hopefully turn down the temperature on that subject.

www.yahoo.com...

In the first presidential debate of 2024, former President Donald Trump said he supports the recent US Supreme Court ruling that preserved access to one of the two pillsused in nearly two-thirds of all abortions in the country in 2023. The statement was the clearest on access to the abortion pill to date.

“The Supreme Court just approved the abortion pill and I agree with the decision to have done that,” he said. “And I will not block it.”

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I agree.

What we're seeing now is more similar to China's cultural revolution with the struggle sessions and destruction of history.

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: quintessentone
Propaganda on both sides to garner votes. Look to their economic mandates as both fail the people and your grocery bills will keep getting higher and your kids won't succeed in that environment.

Except during Trump's first 4 years Trump DID lower prices and the economy was great…….

Two problems with that.

First, prices: The Consumer Price Index actually increased for the first two years of Trump’s first term. Driven mostly by rising gas and energy costs. By 2019 the CPI had returned to its previous level, but didn’t get better. The 2020 CPI did go down, of course but that was due to the fact that 2020 was the year of Covid and the world economy shrank by about 3%. Reduced demand for the goods and services of a normal economy therefore drove prices down. That was when gasoline prices bottomed out to within a few cents of the lowest price they were under Obama. Trump didn’t do that unless you want to blame him for the worldwide pandemic.

The economy: When Obama came into office in 2009, he inherited the Great Recession of 2008, where the US GDP had shrunk by more than 2%. After he came into office the GDP bounced back to about 2% positive growth, where it stayed for 10 years, through 2019. Prior to the Covid year of 2020, Trump had inherited a stable economy and didn’t do anything in particular to either make it better or screw it up. In 2021–Biden’s first year in office—the GDP grew by about 6%. Is that because Biden is an economic miracle worker? No. It’s because 2021 was the year that everyone decided the pandemic was over, and demand for goods and services skyrocketed. Plus, in 2020, Trump’s government had spent 1.6 Trillion dollars in unemployment and stimulus handouts. So, naturally, the economy was stimulated. But that created a situation where there was a lot of money chasing not very many goods, so naturally inflation took off. It actually started rising in late 2020, but peaked out about 2 years ago at around 9%. It has been going down steadily ever since, and is now below the long term average value. Ditto for unemployment—it is now below the long term average. This why it was comical last night when Trump promised to “fix” the economy. It is already fixed. GDP growth has returned to the historical level it was between 2009 and 2019, and inflation and unemployment are lower than their long-term historical levels.

FWIW the thought of Kamala Harris as President is much more likely behind the impetus to elect Trump

x.com...

July 19th updated list of Democrats who are calling on Joe Biden to drop out or are raising concerns about the ability of his campaign to continue.

New additions calling on President Biden to step aside

Sen. Mark Heinrich
Rep. Greg Landsman
Rep. Sean Casten
Rep. Zoe Lofgren
Rep. Jared Huffman
Rep. Marc Veasey
Rep. Chuy Garcia
Rep. Mark Pocan

Current standing at totals of
56x Congressmen
12x Senators
3x Governors
1x Lt. Governor
5x State Representatives
4x Current candidates
Have called for Biden to drop out of the race or have expressed concerns of his ability to continue the race.

This comes out to currently
26% Democrats in Congress
25% Democrats in the Senate
13% of Democrat Governors

40x Call for Biden to drop out
Sen. Mark Heinrich
Sen. Jon Tester
Sen. Chuck Schumer
Sen. Peter Welch
Rep. Greg Landsman
Rep. Sean Casten
Rep. Zoe Lofgren
Rep. Jared Huffman
Rep. Marc Veasey
Rep. Chuy Garcia
Rep. Mark Pocan
Rep. Jamie Raskin
Rep. Jim Costa
Rep. Hakeem Jeffries
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Rep. Mikie Sherrill
Rep. Adam Schiff
Rep. Mike Levin
Rep. Brittany Pettersen
Rep. Eric Sorensen
Rep. Scott Peters
Rep. Jim Himes
Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez
Rep. Ed Case
Rep. Greg Stanton
Rep. Brad Schneider
Rep. Hillary Scholten
Rep. Pat Ryan
Rep. Earl Blumenauer
Rep. Angie Craig
Rep. Adam Smith
Rep. Mark Takano
Rep. Joe Morelle
Rep. Seth Moulton
Rep. Raúl Grijalva
Rep. Lloyd Doggett
Rep. Jared Huffman
Rep. Susan Wild
Reo. Mike Quigley
Rep. Tom Malinowski

28x Raising Concerns
Sen. Richard Blumenthal
Sen. Chris Murphy
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse
Sen. Michael Bennet
Sen. Sherrod Brown
Sen. Patty Murray
Sen. Tina Smith
Sen. Mark Warner
Rep. Chrissy Houlahan
Rep. Jason Crow
Rep. Annie Kuster
Rep. Gerry Connolly
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver
Rep. Jim Clyburn
Rep. Don Beyer
Rep. Rick Larsen
Rep. Ami Bera
Rep. Gerry Connolly
Rep. Chris Pappas
Rep. Don Davis
Rep. Debbie Dingell
Rep. Jared Golden
Reo. Summer Lee
Rep. Brad Sherman
Rep. Elissa Slotkin
Rep. Ritchie Torres
Rep. Andy Kim
Rep. Jerry Nadler

9x State Officials
Colorado Gov. Jared Polis
Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear
Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey
New York Lt. Gov. Antonio Delgado
Georgia State Rep. Ruwa Romman
Michigan State Rep. Noah Arbit
Michigan State Rep. Phil Skaggs
Massachusetts State Sen. Jason Lewis
Massachusetts State Rep. Mike Connolly

4x Current candidates
Jon Kiper New Hampshire Governor
Adam Frisch Colorado 3rd district
Christina Bohannan Iowa 1st district
Sarah Corkery Iowa 2nd district

a reply to: FlyersFan

Kamala Harris isn't a socialist. Not even remotely. She doesn't support workers or industry at all she's a 100% pawn of corporations and the wealthy.

JD Vance is the furthest left in terms of economics than any other major US politician and it's not even close. I can tell this just based on his own statements. Even Bernie since he went full neoliberal cuck in 2016.

The GOP has been trending economically left since Trump swept the Neocons from the field in 2015-2016.

The Trump-Populist wing of the GOP are closer to "socialism" than any Democrat who toes the party line in 2024 (they're still decidedly not socialists though).

I like it. Left is right, right is left and clown world honks on.

a reply to: quintessentone

Communists already defeated America without firing a shot.
Used democrats to enable their agenda, see BARACK OBAMA regime.

"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism until one day they will awaken to find they have communism."

One day...one day Americans will wake up and no longer remember America as was supposed to be.

No longer is here, this is not the America it's supposed to be.

Drain the swamp, lock them all up, and Keep America Great!

United We Stand, The Rest Is, Not An Option!
🇺🇲

a reply to: ADVISOR

United you don't stand, that's something that needs to change.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What will most assuredly cause inflation...

Former President Donald Trump is campaigning on a pledge to end the "inflation nightmare," vowing that if he wins a second term, he'll bring down prices "very quickly." And if that scenario came to pass, it would be cheered by the millions of Americans who say higher costs remain a major problem.

There's only one problem: Key policies that undergird so-called Trumponomics — a combination of tariffs, tax cuts and a crackdown on immigration — are likely to cause a flare-up in inflation, according to many Wall Street economists. That would be a painful outcome for consumers and businesses sapped by more than two years of surging prices. More broadly, renewed inflationary pressures would also come as inflation is finally inching closer to the Federal Reserve's goal of 2% per year.

If consumers "are upset now, they will be hopping mad a year from now" about inflation if Trump wins and enacts his policies, Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics and co-author of a June report on the macroeconomic impacts of either a Trump or Biden win in November, told CBS MoneyWatch.

Expand article logo Continue reading
Zandi, who has previously advised presidential candidates from both parties, said he's not advising either campaign in the current race.

"What he's proposing on tariffs is way beyond anything he did in his first administration," Coronado noted. "He's proposing blanket tariffs on all imports, and especially severe tariffs on China — that passes onto consumers immediately."

www.msn.com...

Just another analyst saying the same thing.

Now do biden’s tax increase proposals for 2024.

According to a report issued by the Treasury Department, led by Secretary Janet Yellen, the president's proposed fiscal year 2025 budget would increase the top marginal rate on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends to a staggering 44.6%. A capital gains tax hike of that magnitude would take the rate to its highest level since it was first introduced in the early 1920s.

President Biden's latest proposal to hike the top capital gains tax rate to its highest level in more than a century is facing heavy criticism from experts who warn such an action could significantly harm the U.S. economy.

The child tax credit that was doubled under President Trump would be cut in half, reducing take-home pay for millions of working families. The standard deduction, utilized by over 90% of filers, would also be cut in half. Rates would go up on all taxpayers, and small businesses would see their tax rate increase to over 43%, making them uncompetitive against large corporations.

To summarize, the Biden tax plan is as follows – increase taxes on low-income families, cut the child tax credit in half, and discourage investments.

www.foxnews.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Tax hikes in Biden’s budget would be ‘devastating’ for Americans, says top House tax writer www.foxnews.com...

www.foxnews.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Joe Biden's outlandish plan to crush middle America www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: watchitburn

Communists have been blamed, attacked and vilified a lot in the USA.

But the truth is, that while they aren't 'clean' of wrong, neither have they been the danger to the USA like the far-right has, and is.

In countries like China and Russia, capitalism has been embraced, and the initial fervour for Communism is gone. For the most part, Communism is relegated to history.

After the red-scare decades, most Americans are programmed to blame communists for all sorts of woes, and the most rabid of the right-wing see political centrists as 'the left', as has been done in the OP.

The greater real danger to US citizens are the mentally unbalanced who have access to firearms. Doesn't matter what ideology radicalizes them, there are all sorts of things they can adopt to fit their pathology, but they remain a danger, not because of their political affiliation, but because they are unbalanced and have ideation of violence and the means to enable their fantasies.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: bastion

Yes, imagine communists espousing their ideology for everyone else while enriching themselves and living in luxury?

Unprecedented!

So, capitalist-anticaitalist CommuNazi's?

How well you rant!

LOL

... and the word "unprecedented" means that it has never happened before, yet you are implying that it has. No wonder you are confused.

originally posted by: bastion
The US doesn;t even have a left wing so claims of communism, marxism, 'insert buzzphrase here' are as dumb as the people claiming Trump is Hitler, all Republican are neo-nazi white supremacists etc...

But it Seems America does have Lots of Clueless People to Manipulate.......Hmm...

a reply to: watchitburn

There is No threat of communism in the USA
/

-snip-

a reply to: rigel4

Yeah , Nothing to See here eh ? 70 some Odd Years Ago it Started , but the Clueless of Today have no Sense of History and therefore are Ignorant of the Threat out of Indifference ....