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White Privilege or just Statistics?
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a reply to: strongfp
Of course it has, so white privilege is a nonsense and those seeking reparations because of it or using it as a vehicle to further their own bigotry are pushing a non-existent issue - white privilege is bollocks.
And for all their faults those systems you mention also brought about a whole lot of good as well - not perfect, not by any stretch but they aren't the evil monstrosity that many make them out to be either.
Of course it has, so white privilege is a nonsense and those seeking reparations because of it or using it as a vehicle to further their own bigotry are pushing a non-existent issue - white privilege is bollocks.
And for all their faults those systems you mention also brought about a whole lot of good as well - not perfect, not by any stretch but they aren't the evil monstrosity that many make them out to be either.
a reply to: Freeborn
Indeed. White privilege most definitely doesn't mean in todays world as it did back in the day. It's become more of a derogatory term than anything else.
It's ironic how a once exclusive European concept, liberal democracy, had seeded the demise of white privilege.
Once the ideas of liberal democracy began being used in multi ethnic nations, white privilege rapidly eroded away.
Indeed. White privilege most definitely doesn't mean in todays world as it did back in the day. It's become more of a derogatory term than anything else.
It's ironic how a once exclusive European concept, liberal democracy, had seeded the demise of white privilege.
Once the ideas of liberal democracy began being used in multi ethnic nations, white privilege rapidly eroded away.
Anyone care to explain what DEI stands for?
There are non Americans on the site.
There are non Americans on the site.
a reply to: SecretKnowledge2
Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
It's a, or rather was a corporate human resources slogan that is pushed to make the workplace more diverse, equitable, and inclusive.
It has bled into the liberal think tanks over the years and into educational institutions. And now its pushed by of course politicians.
Of course it has stirred up the internet masses and has been heavily criticized.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
It's a, or rather was a corporate human resources slogan that is pushed to make the workplace more diverse, equitable, and inclusive.
It has bled into the liberal think tanks over the years and into educational institutions. And now its pushed by of course politicians.
Of course it has stirred up the internet masses and has been heavily criticized.
a reply to: SecretKnowledge2
DumbAsses Expect Indulgence
no really it some made up horsesh@@ that stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion, in other words something for nothing
Anyone care to explain what DEI stands for?
DumbAsses Expect Indulgence
no really it some made up horsesh@@ that stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion, in other words something for nothing
science and proper evaluation of things is not allowed in this country anymore. Just because there are more white people living in this country now
does not mean anything. Proper evaluation of evidence needs to be donee.
Anyone who is a citizen of this country should have equal rights. You do not give one color more rights just because there are less of them in the population. This does not apply to people illegally in the country, they are not citizens. If they are Resident aliens that have gone through appropriate vetting and are honest people, they are supposed to have more rights than illegals. Politicians are trying to give minorities more rights because there are less of them, that is not fair.
The only people in this country that should have a little more specific rights are the Native Americans since in the past we took their lands....and killed a lot of them in the process. But even with Native Americans, there are limits that need to be considered, they have equal rights by law but also some extra perks. If they are criminals, they must be punished too. The laws should be equal to everyone, blacks should be punished if they break the laws and white people who are criminals should also be punsished for their crimes.
If we stop arresting black people, the bad ones will dominate the good blacks in their communities, which is not fair to the good black people either. There are good and bad people of all colors, and one bad person can hurt many good honest people.
I get along with people of any color, except if they are jerks and pushy and demand extra rights because of their color. Another thing is entitled people of all colors who believe they are better than the rest...I do not have to be their friends if I do not want to. To me it is the entitled people who believe they are above the law that are a threat to our societies. Lots of politicians are entitled, so are many people with prestigious degrees. People who are skinny and fit believe they are better than those that are fat, people who are better looking than others also can become jerks. I try to limit my discrimination....except when it comes to Jerks which there are in all groups in our society.
There are good natured people in all these groups I listed, so you cannot use members of those groups to judge them, it is their actions and personality we need to judge, I personally have known some politicians and rich people throughout the years, half are good people, the others got a chip on their shoulder to hold up their huge head.
Entitled has nothing to do with money either, I know people on Welfare that are entitled, they think they need extra rights and complain about their benefits given to them free at the tax payers expense. I have known rich business owners who treat their employees fair, making sure not to spoil them yet sometimes they lose money trying to make sure their employees can support themselves at times. Some rich do more for communities to benefit the communities than the communities comprehend. People will inappropriately believe that just because they are wealthy they are bad people...I see that a lot. They make those business owners trying to help the community look greedy, not understand the overhead those people have that limits their ability to pay the employees better. Over the years those employers will be less in debt and be able to pay better...but most people do not have the patients or comprehension of what is going on in that employers life. Lately employees seem more concerned about their own entitled life than the person trying to give them work so they can earn a living.
I am glad in this time that I am not an employer anymore, I gave my employees wages when their knowledge increased and they worked well with the rest of my crew. I also was cheaper for my services than most other builders, I catered to those who were not rich, I did not want them strapped for money because they had to borrow money. So I never got rich...my employees understood all this too, they were decent people I picked most times and if one needed more money, the experience they gained from working for me got them a better paying job. I had employees get jobs for other construction companies...some of my best ones got hired by people I knew with my blessing. They did federal and state jobs at the other companies so I gave them an excellent rating and stressed any things the employee stil was inexperienced at to the other builder...things they needed to be taught yet. If a person who worked for me was lazy and the other employees complained, I would not give them a good reference, I tried to be honest with everyone, even someone I competed with.
I hired people for their ability to get along with customers and the other employees, not because of their color. I had no black employees, a few native Americans and one hispanic one over the years. I did not hire a woman on my construction crew because it would disrupt the guys...they would be like male dogs going after a female dog in heat all day...I'm talking construction workers. I had two employees tell me they would take a buck an hour cut in pay if I hired one woman who applied. I told her about this and how maybe I could get her to go in a crawlspace so the guys would follow, then come out and lock them in so they would get some work done. She was a looker for sure, and we laughed about this when I interviewed her...actually, I might not have been even able to trust myself, I was married...I even told her that and she smiled. She was strong, extremely well built, and pretty, and actually smarter than my workers. I did refer her to someone I knew on road construction and they did hire her at more than I could pay her.
Sexual discrimination does not have to exist either, I knew she could do the work I had, but her presence would have made my employees kind of into little teenage boys driven by their hormones..I also told my two workers that at the time, they chuckled and thought about it and said I was probably right.
Anyone who is a citizen of this country should have equal rights. You do not give one color more rights just because there are less of them in the population. This does not apply to people illegally in the country, they are not citizens. If they are Resident aliens that have gone through appropriate vetting and are honest people, they are supposed to have more rights than illegals. Politicians are trying to give minorities more rights because there are less of them, that is not fair.
The only people in this country that should have a little more specific rights are the Native Americans since in the past we took their lands....and killed a lot of them in the process. But even with Native Americans, there are limits that need to be considered, they have equal rights by law but also some extra perks. If they are criminals, they must be punished too. The laws should be equal to everyone, blacks should be punished if they break the laws and white people who are criminals should also be punsished for their crimes.
If we stop arresting black people, the bad ones will dominate the good blacks in their communities, which is not fair to the good black people either. There are good and bad people of all colors, and one bad person can hurt many good honest people.
I get along with people of any color, except if they are jerks and pushy and demand extra rights because of their color. Another thing is entitled people of all colors who believe they are better than the rest...I do not have to be their friends if I do not want to. To me it is the entitled people who believe they are above the law that are a threat to our societies. Lots of politicians are entitled, so are many people with prestigious degrees. People who are skinny and fit believe they are better than those that are fat, people who are better looking than others also can become jerks. I try to limit my discrimination....except when it comes to Jerks which there are in all groups in our society.
There are good natured people in all these groups I listed, so you cannot use members of those groups to judge them, it is their actions and personality we need to judge, I personally have known some politicians and rich people throughout the years, half are good people, the others got a chip on their shoulder to hold up their huge head.
Entitled has nothing to do with money either, I know people on Welfare that are entitled, they think they need extra rights and complain about their benefits given to them free at the tax payers expense. I have known rich business owners who treat their employees fair, making sure not to spoil them yet sometimes they lose money trying to make sure their employees can support themselves at times. Some rich do more for communities to benefit the communities than the communities comprehend. People will inappropriately believe that just because they are wealthy they are bad people...I see that a lot. They make those business owners trying to help the community look greedy, not understand the overhead those people have that limits their ability to pay the employees better. Over the years those employers will be less in debt and be able to pay better...but most people do not have the patients or comprehension of what is going on in that employers life. Lately employees seem more concerned about their own entitled life than the person trying to give them work so they can earn a living.
I am glad in this time that I am not an employer anymore, I gave my employees wages when their knowledge increased and they worked well with the rest of my crew. I also was cheaper for my services than most other builders, I catered to those who were not rich, I did not want them strapped for money because they had to borrow money. So I never got rich...my employees understood all this too, they were decent people I picked most times and if one needed more money, the experience they gained from working for me got them a better paying job. I had employees get jobs for other construction companies...some of my best ones got hired by people I knew with my blessing. They did federal and state jobs at the other companies so I gave them an excellent rating and stressed any things the employee stil was inexperienced at to the other builder...things they needed to be taught yet. If a person who worked for me was lazy and the other employees complained, I would not give them a good reference, I tried to be honest with everyone, even someone I competed with.
I hired people for their ability to get along with customers and the other employees, not because of their color. I had no black employees, a few native Americans and one hispanic one over the years. I did not hire a woman on my construction crew because it would disrupt the guys...they would be like male dogs going after a female dog in heat all day...I'm talking construction workers. I had two employees tell me they would take a buck an hour cut in pay if I hired one woman who applied. I told her about this and how maybe I could get her to go in a crawlspace so the guys would follow, then come out and lock them in so they would get some work done. She was a looker for sure, and we laughed about this when I interviewed her...actually, I might not have been even able to trust myself, I was married...I even told her that and she smiled. She was strong, extremely well built, and pretty, and actually smarter than my workers. I did refer her to someone I knew on road construction and they did hire her at more than I could pay her.
Sexual discrimination does not have to exist either, I knew she could do the work I had, but her presence would have made my employees kind of into little teenage boys driven by their hormones..I also told my two workers that at the time, they chuckled and thought about it and said I was probably right.
originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: GotterDameron23
that's like reporting more black people are killed by cops than white people. if you use a low number against a high number to compare, of course the percentage for the lower number is going to be higher than the high number.
it should be per calls responded to, not number of population of each.
More black people aren't killed by the police though, more white people are killed by the police every year in the US
edit on 21-6-2024 by
TheMisguidedAngel because: Typo
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: GotterDameron23
There were nations of people there before the first European stepped foot on American soil.
And since there was no law that gave them legitimacy, they were all illegal immigrants.
The success of the invasion and suppression of other ethnicities is how the invaders came to being a majority - they genocided the original inhabitants.
There was no laws about illegal immigration back then so you can't call the first Europeans as "illegal immigrants". Heck there wasn't even borders back then
a reply to: TheMisguidedAngel
Check the numbers again but this time per capita!
Because you know how statistics work. Right?
Check the numbers again but this time per capita!
Because you know how statistics work. Right?
a reply to: Hecate666
Yeah well....
Racism sucks when on the receiving end and feels natural when giving...
If Curiosity kills the cat then Xenophobia saves it!
I'm sure there are some Caucasian dominated countries where they practice that sort of racial bonding in a more fashionable way. Unfortunately it seems to come with a certain backwardness, as they aren't really countries I would want to live in...
But there is a place for everyone to feel right at home...
Yeah well....
Racism sucks when on the receiving end and feels natural when giving...
If Curiosity kills the cat then Xenophobia saves it!
I'm sure there are some Caucasian dominated countries where they practice that sort of racial bonding in a more fashionable way. Unfortunately it seems to come with a certain backwardness, as they aren't really countries I would want to live in...
But there is a place for everyone to feel right at home...
a reply to: TheMisguidedAngel
that was my point, if they figured it by the call to a crime scene instead of population percentage they would see that.
More black people aren't killed by the police though, more white people are killed by the police every year in the US
that was my point, if they figured it by the call to a crime scene instead of population percentage they would see that.
a reply to: Terpene
so how many black or white people are there per capita is it 50/50, 60/40,/ 70/30, 80/20, 90/10 or100 percent or what? it's still boils down to their counting by race population percentages/ demographics.
it stands to reason in a predominant black or white neighborhood the numbers of that race will be higher. again if they counted by call/ incident the true numbers would be revealed.
Check the numbers again but this time per capita!
so how many black or white people are there per capita is it 50/50, 60/40,/ 70/30, 80/20, 90/10 or100 percent or what? it's still boils down to their counting by race population percentages/ demographics.
it stands to reason in a predominant black or white neighborhood the numbers of that race will be higher. again if they counted by call/ incident the true numbers would be revealed.
edit on 21-6-2024 by BernnieJGato because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Freeborn
The point is white privilege was a consequence of white Europeans leaving Europe, what happened in Ireland is a example that its not about being white, it's about the people who set up systems to benefit them that spread around the world and imposed those European systems on "non white" areas of the world.
It's always been about the money and profiting off other people.
So should it be associated with affluenza? Monied privilege? Management privilege? Rich right to privilege?
What’s a more correct definition of what’s been going on?
a reply to: BernnieJGato
Why does that change anything? Is that "by call" a common practice in statistics to get a representative number? Like per capita...
how so?
what's it going to change, why, how?
Why does that change anything? Is that "by call" a common practice in statistics to get a representative number? Like per capita...
how so?
what's it going to change, why, how?
originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: GotterDameron23
There were nations of people there before the first European stepped foot on American soil.
And since there was no law that gave them legitimacy, they were all illegal immigrants.
The success of the invasion and suppression of other ethnicities is how the invaders came to being a majority - they genocided the original inhabitants.
There was no laws about illegal immigration back then so you can't call the first Europeans as "illegal immigrants". Heck there wasn't even borders back then
The indigenous peoples of North American all had laws governing tribal lands that covered almost the entire continent of America. People who claimed tribal lands without reference to the land owners did so illegally. They took something without true recompense to the original owners.
Similarly, the colonizing countries all had immigration laws, so they were aware that they were impinging upon lands owned by others.
There were an estimated sixty million people living in North America pre-colonization. It wasn't empty land. Post colonization the number of truly indigenous American was reduced to about six million.
a reply to: Terpene
how ignorant can you be, if it's a equal number of people be them black or white, like 50/50 per capita, there's no way they can claim more unless there are actually more black people killed than whites. then when the numbers shift to more whites than blacks, there's less black folks in the population so the percentage of black to white in the population to make the number look higher.
here from Statista, number of deaths from shooting from cops 2017 to 2024.
it is a fact more white people have been documented as being killed by cops than blacks.
Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2024*, by race
it is true that that percentage wise on the population blacks are higher, almost 3 to 1 from 2015 to 2024. but that because their population is lower. there are other reasons as to why, but not going to get into that right now cause that is a whole other can of worms.
Rate of fatal police shootings in the United States from 2015 to May 2024, by ethnicity
how ignorant can you be, if it's a equal number of people be them black or white, like 50/50 per capita, there's no way they can claim more unless there are actually more black people killed than whites. then when the numbers shift to more whites than blacks, there's less black folks in the population so the percentage of black to white in the population to make the number look higher.
here from Statista, number of deaths from shooting from cops 2017 to 2024.
it is a fact more white people have been documented as being killed by cops than blacks.
Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2024*, by race
it is true that that percentage wise on the population blacks are higher, almost 3 to 1 from 2015 to 2024. but that because their population is lower. there are other reasons as to why, but not going to get into that right now cause that is a whole other can of worms.
Rate of fatal police shootings in the United States from 2015 to May 2024, by ethnicity
edit on 21-6-2024 by BigJohnTally because: (no reason given)
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