Three questions for you guys about United Flight 23, the fifth plane?

a reply to: Owlwatcher

Sorry. No evidence of planed pyrotechnics at the WTC / pentagon. And no evidence of missiles. You have been lied to by the talking heads of the truth movement. Items of topics of other threads soundly debunked if you care to post further.

a reply to: Lazy88

No evidence of planed pyrotechnics at the WTC

Link

There is no evidence when you don't want to look.

I absolutely agree with you. A plane was destine to hit building seven and they had to bring it down, even without a plane hitting it to cover their tracks. Even if it looked suspicious.

No one can enter the building to fight the fire! ?
But in the video 12.45 you see about 100 small
exsplostions on just This side of the building?
So who and how did the plant over 300 bombs?????

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Shoshanna

The third tower that went down that day, WT7 is a likely suspect. I have always suspect 93’s destination was WT7 and they only used the White House as a decoy, but if you say there was another plane, possibly that plane was meant for WT7.

WT7 was their biggest mistake. They had to go ahead and bring it down as planned but without a plane impacting it. The penthouse collapsing first is the biggest tell it was demolished.

Hogwash. WTC7 had huge fires in multiple floors and they had been burning for 8 hours. 2 huge buildings collapsed beside and onto of WTC7, it was severely damaged and even chunks of the building were missing near the base.

There was a NYC local reporter and cameraman that had snuck past the perimeters of the WTC no go areas and were reporting from WTC7 less then 1 hour before it collapsed, you could see all the damage to the building and all the major fires through out the building, even the reporter said they better leave soon before it collapses too. No conspiracy, this is what happens when two 110 story buildings collapse ontop and beside another building and fires rage in that building for 8 hours.

I fail to see how a building made of metal and concrete not hit with structural damage any independent engineer I know of confirmed could collapse with a fire. How many buildings have we seen burn worse than that and stay up? Quite a few in fact.

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Shoshanna

The third tower that went down that day, WT7 is a likely suspect. I have always suspect 93’s destination was WT7 and they only used the White House as a decoy, but if you say there was another plane, possibly that plane was meant for WT7.

WT7 was their biggest mistake. They had to go ahead and bring it down as planned but without a plane impacting it. The penthouse collapsing first is the biggest tell it was demolished.

Hogwash. WTC7 had huge fires in multiple floors and they had been burning for 8 hours. 2 huge buildings collapsed beside and onto of WTC7, it was severely damaged and even chunks of the building were missing near the base.

There was a NYC local reporter and cameraman that had snuck past the perimeters of the WTC no go areas and were reporting from WTC7 less then 1 hour before it collapsed, you could see all the damage to the building and all the major fires through out the building, even the reporter said they better leave soon before it collapses too. No conspiracy, this is what happens when two 110 story buildings collapse ontop and beside another building and fires rage in that building for 8 hours.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The whole thing just got turned on it's ear. Excellent set of questions that all need an answer.

shooooooot fire this is HUGE but our MSM, nor the Russian/Chinese types can be trusted to tell is the real facts IMO>

How do we get to the bottom of this, or anything for that matter, with provable data here and liars hoarding facts away?

a reply to: Justoneman

How do we get to the bottom of this

Do the FBI have a link or statement about this matter available to the public on their website?

a reply to: kwaka

I haven't checked, but have little faith in three letter agencies lately. I can't consider them credible anymore and it hurts my heart to realize this.

a reply to: Justoneman

I can't consider them credible anymore and it hurts my heart to realize this.

It is tough and disorientating coming to terms with how things work. Part of the FBI charter is to defend government. This thing is bigger than them. George Bush Senior was on the ground as a recruit when JFK got shot. He got a strong education in how these public deceptions work. George Bush Junior got dragged along for the ride with 9/11.

In time more things will come out as national security locks expire from everyone involved passing away. A lot of things got destroyed back then, but with the way bureaucracy is a lot is still slowly turning in the background waiting for its time.

I tried a quick search on the FBI site, no luck. It is an old article from 2011. With the story coming from PBS, would expect at least a phone call to the FBI to check it out. Need to be a US citizen to ask for a FOIR, I cannot do. The name Carol Timmons has been publicly released so has a chance to get through. See if there is any reports or interviews done.

originally posted by: Shoshanna

I guess three questions then, where do you think it was going? do you remember hearing about this at the time? I mean back in 2001-ish do you guys remember hearing about United flight 23? And also do you even think Flight 23 was the fifth plane? Is it just a coincidence that middle-easterners who had box cutters and whatever the hell "Al Qaeda documents" are were on a flight from JFK to LA on 9/11 and had no bad intentions at all, just a big coincidence?

All of the conspiracy theories about 9/11 are designed to cover up the fact they shot down 93. Much easier to cover up.

WTC 7 - This was a building built on a building. Structural damage caused the collapse. No explosives.
WTC 1 and 2 - They did what they were designed to do. Stand until people could escape. A unique design. It is a miracle that neither fell when hit by a 130 ton plane going 600 mph.

Your questions

Where? White House or Capital Building
Did I ever hear of it? I had at the time, there were multiples grounded and/or lost initially that were discussed. The recent 23 stuff is from this
Link
Left Items - I do remember early on reading they found bbox cutters and a Koran on a plane not AQ material.

Did the US plan 9/11? No. Was it allowed to happen? I believe yes.

I also believe Flight 587 was covered up. Find the toll booth video that shows and explosion not jet wash.

originally posted by: Degradation33
4th target was probably White House and 5th was likely The Capitol.

Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville was headed for the White House.

I'm sure of it.

Todd Beamer was a very religious man.

A few weeks before 9/11 he told his wife that he dreamed, or had a premonition (I can't remember which), that he had a feeling that he was going to have something very important to do and that it had to do with the White House.

Turns out he was instrumental in helping to bring down the plane before it could hit the intended target, which probably was the White House.

I read that back when all this happened. I googled but couldn't find a link to anything about that story.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Degradation33
4th target was probably White House and 5th was likely The Capitol.

Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville was headed for the White House.

I'm sure of it.

Todd Beamer was a very religious man.

A few weeks before 9/11 he told his wife that he dreamed, or had a premonition (I can't remember which), that he had a feeling that he was going to have something very important to do and that it had to do with the White House.

Turns out he was instrumental in helping to bring down the plane before it could hit the intended target, which probably was the White House.

I read that back when all this happened. I googled but couldn't find a link to anything about that story.

Isnt that the flight that there was no plane just a hole in the ground with little debri field?

originally posted by: Justoneman
Isnt that the flight that there was no plane just a hole in the ground with little debri field?

Dunno what it looked like on 9/11.

We went there a few years ago to the memorial.

There is an open field where the plane would have come down and skidded. Kind of a divot through that field.

Then the memorial at the end of the field by the trees. Fenced off.

That's where what was left stopped.

The visitors center said that there were plane parts and body parts in the trees etc etc.

They had a wall of telephones that you could pick up and listen to the final phone calls of the people who were on that flight. I didn't listen. I couldn't. It would have been too upsetting for me.

a reply to: Shoshanna

a 5th likely target might be Wall Street/ NYSE ... IF the 'targets' were opposite of the 5 Pillars-of-Islam....

WTC Twin towers
Pentagon
Capitol
Wash.Monument
NYSE/Wall St

the 5 American 'pillars' were likely originated by the initial core of suicide pilots who dreamed up the plot...but the targets got switched as voices=of-authority 'took over' the operation

Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville was headed for the White House.
I'm sure of it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It was aimed at the Capitol building - In Bin Laden ideology was labeled the TOWER OF LAW, WTC buildings were the TOWERS OF JEWS and Pentagon the TOWER OF WAR

all those buildings were large structures, set apart from others, easily identifiable and approachable from the air .......

a 5th likely target might be Wall Street/ NYSE

a reply to: StudioNada

Problem with that is the NYSE is actually a series of buildings centered around Wall and Broad streets

The buildings are tightly packed and ringed by taller structures which would make attempting to single them out and crash from the air almost impossible

The buildings are also of older standard of construction with masonry outer shells, steel interior columns and fire proofing made of concrete or terra cotta resistance to impact and fire

a reply to: firerescue

The Todd Beamer premonition/dream about the White House has me convinced that Flight 93 was headed for it. I take those kinds of things seriously.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Shoshanna

Al Qaeda passport on the ground near the Twin Towers.

Al Qaeda gives out passports? You might research that a bit more?

As far as jet crashes? MH 17 is an example how it’s expected to find some personal items…

www.nbcnews.com...

MH 17 is an example of what a real conspiracy looks like. Where Russia backed rebels shot down a passenger jet. Then the Russian government tried to cover it up. I think they even faked satellite imagery and released it to Russian news outlets. But you guys ignore actual conspiracies. Why? /b]

"The passport was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, and it is believed to have been manipulated in a fraudulent manner, which is a technique associated with al-Qaeda. The passport was reportedly found intact, despite the intense heat and destruction caused by the crash of Flight 11 into the North Tower."

You seem to have already solidified your beliefs; I, however, am still open to conjecture and evidence yet to be uncovered.

a reply to: nugget1

The passport was recovered from Vessey street came from one of the hijacker of AMERICAN 11 Satam Al Sugami

In addition a flight manifest from inside the cabin of American 11 along with mail from the cargo hold was also recovered from the street

The Todd Beamer premonition/dream about the White House has me convinced that Flight 93 was headed for it. I take those kinds of things seriously.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I go by hard confirmable facts, not feelings ...........