Three questions for you guys about United Flight 23, the fifth plane?

Where do we think the 5th plane was going. Reports from flight attendant on United 23 say that the Arab [is that PC? IDK] passengers asked if a plane hit the White House. Which makes it seem like maybe flight 93 was heading toward the White House when it was downed. I watched there is a documentary on Tubi which I love which is free called 9/11 The Fifth plane and they interview flight attendants passengers etc. It is a good watch. The article im linking doesn't mention them asking if a plane hit the White House, it is said in one of the interviews in the documentary I referenced on Tubi.

So where do we think it was going? The capitol or somewhere else? I don't know what another target would be at that time for the terrorists.

Have you heard about the airliner which was ordered back to the gate on 9/11 when the terrorist attacks began, only to have four young Arab passengers jump off the plane, after which box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were found in their abandoned bags?

I’ve heard that story before, but since it was never reported by the U.S. government, and not mentioned by the 9/11 Commission in their official report, I thought it might be another of those urban myths. Until now.

Yesterday’s Wilmington (Delaware) News-Journal featured a front-page article on the Delaware Air National Guard’s first female general, Carol Timmons, who was promoted to that rank at a ceremony on Saturday. General Timmons has had a long career as a pilot, including time as a commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines.

whyy.org...

On 9/11, General Timmons was first officer on flight 23 which was supposed to take off from JFK heading to Los Angeles.

I dont know guys this is some final destination stuff right here.

The plane had already pulled away from the gate and was taxiing down the runway when the airport was shut down and the crew was ordered to secure the cockpit.
Timmons confirmed that as the pilot grabbed the crash ax, she jumped from her seat and started barricading the cockpit door. From the other side of the barricade the cabin crew relayed their concern about four young Arab men in first-class who became agitated when the take-off was cancelled, and fled from the plane when it returned to the terminal. Box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were later found in their luggage.

Timmons, the pilot, and the rest of the crew were repeatedly questioned by the FBI, though the findings were never shared. The pilot concluded that Flight 23 would have been the next plane hijacked by terrorists if the airport shutdown order had been delayed.

This article makes it seem like this is not mentioned in the 9/11 commission report and has never been widely reported at all until very recently and I mean I don't have a copy of the 9/11 commission report handy but I do vaguely remember something resembling this story in something I read previously. Whether it was the report or a news article I do not know.

I guess three questions then, where do you think it was going? do you remember hearing about this at the time? I mean back in 2001-ish do you guys remember hearing about United flight 23? And also do you even think Flight 23 was the fifth plane? Is it just a coincidence that middle-easterners who had box cutters and whatever the hell "Al Qaeda documents" are were on a flight from JFK to LA on 9/11 and had no bad intentions at all, just a big coincidence?

I dont think it was a coincidence. I dont know what the 4th and 5th targets were. Them asking if a plane hit the White House indicates maybe flight 93 was supposed to hit the White House, because if that was the intention for flight 23, which got grounded, I dont think they would be asking that about their own "mission" you know what I mean. They would know a plane didn't hit the White House because they were supposed to and they got stopped before they could do it.

a reply to: Shoshanna

I had not heard of flight 23 before, if my recollection is correct. Finding box cutters and Al Qaeda documents seems awfully conveient, though-like finding the undamaged Al Qaeda passport on the ground near the Twin Towers.

So much strangeness and unanswered questions still surround 9/11; things we most likely will never know.

Well the longer we go the more of the "theories of conspiracy" become actual conspiracy that needs to be addressed just like the JFK assassination is unfinished.

I hadn't heard of it either despite years of research. How did this slip by?

a reply to: Shoshanna

The third tower that went down that day, WT7 is a likely suspect. I have always suspect 93’s destination was WT7 and they only used the White House as a decoy, but if you say there was another plane, possibly that plane was meant for WT7.

WT7 was their biggest mistake. They had to go ahead and bring it down as planned but without a plane impacting it. The penthouse collapsing first is the biggest tell it was demolished.

a reply to: Shoshanna

I remember hearing/reading about this ....But nothing ever really came of it

Is this the documentary on Tubitv

TMZ Investigates: 9/11: The Fifth Plane - Video

Was this the FIFTH 9/11 plane? Crew of United 23 reveal their 767 scheduled to takeoff on fateful day was raided by FBI after they found box cutters they feared would be used in hijack and identified four suspicious passengers... but kept it quiet - LINK

a reply to: Shoshanna

The two missed targets... They go along with all the people who slept through their alarm clock, cell phone warnings, and the wing under renovation at The Pentagon..

4th target was probably White House and 5th was likely The Capitol.

Thanks to the slight appearance of Murphy's Law in the Hijackers plan that limited the attack on DC, and the country. 19 or 20 hijackers and 8 of them failed on their ovjective. With that many you knew there were 5 targeted planes.

a reply to: Shoshanna

that the Arab [is that PC? IDK] passengers

actually if you would have written, the terrorist hijacker, i would think that would have been more politically correct.
but that just me.

a reply to: Degradation33

4th target was probably White House and 5th was likely The Capitol.

makes sense, take out the financial, military, and political heart of the nation with one attack.

a reply to: Shoshanna

I've never heard of UA 23 before now! How can this be???

Never even once, in any way, shape, or form. Where are these guys now? They DID catch them, right? Or, did they mysteriously slip away?

Seems to me like this would have been front page news in real-time! They were caught red-handed with the same M.O.

Is this real?

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Shoshanna

The third tower that went down that day, WT7 is a likely suspect. I have always suspect 93’s destination was WT7 and they only used the White House as a decoy, but if you say there was another plane, possibly that plane was meant for WT7.

WT7 was their biggest mistake. They had to go ahead and bring it down as planned but without a plane impacting it. The penthouse collapsing first is the biggest tell it was demolished.

Hogwash. WTC7 had huge fires in multiple floors and they had been burning for 8 hours. 2 huge buildings collapsed beside and onto of WTC7, it was severely damaged and even chunks of the building were missing near the base.

There was a NYC local reporter and cameraman that had snuck past the perimeters of the WTC no go areas and were reporting from WTC7 less then 1 hour before it collapsed, you could see all the damage to the building and all the major fires through out the building, even the reporter said they better leave soon before it collapses too. No conspiracy, this is what happens when two 110 story buildings collapse ontop and beside another building and fires rage in that building for 8 hours.

My biggest questions would be:

How can four men leave the plane and disappear without being stopped if there was such a HUGE security event happening?

Did the crew disembark everyone back into the terminal? I don't think so, because then the carry-on bags would not be left behind to find the evidence, just the incriminating evidence would have been found, later, perhaps in the seat pockets.

Any struggle to open the doors by the four men to leave prematurely would have alerted security sharpish under the circumstances.

Doesn't add up.

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel
Hogwash. WTC7 had huge fires in multiple floors and they had been burning for 8 hours. 2 huge buildings collapsed beside and onto of WTC7, it was severely damaged and even chunks of the building were missing near the base.

Hogwash back at ya.

There was NO jetfuel to burn in the building to elevate temperatures. The damage was not THAT severe. If what you say is true they would never build large buildings like that, EVER.

And obviously, the building being reported as "collapsed" ahead of the event live on screen by the BBC was the smoking gun to a predetermined outcome that was badly timed by TPTB. AND, there's no way the WHOLE building would have collapsed, just parts IF what you say is true.

No conspiracy, this is what happens when two 110 story buildings collapse ontop and beside another building and fires rage in that building for 8 hours.

Big Conspiracy, because NO OTHER large buildings around happened to collapse into their own footprint except the twin towers.

Saw it all on TV that day, read the N.I.S.T. report at the time that didn't say much about it, spent YEARS researching and discussing it here, still will to eliminate the illogical ignorance by those in denial.

Sidenote: I don't think WTC7 was a plane target because it wasn't a high enough profile building to global public knowledge. UNLESS the numbers "217" were that relevant in symbology to the instigators because that's the order they collapsed/were destroyed in.

Cheers.

FOLOW the MONEY!

This was done by our own government to collect insurance money and lead us into war. I had just gotten out of the USAF at the time this happened. I said to my wife, "there is NO WAY that just happened as easily as it did"!!

I've studied this since is happened and even had a 26 page document written on everything.

I was a firefighter in the USAF at the time.

a reply to: Shoshanna

a reply to: Shoshanna

where do you think it was going?

Up in the air to have its transponder signal swapped to a drone, then land at a secure airport where the passengers either got shot or in on the plan and got a new identity. The drone would go on to FBI headquarters and take out the part of the building where investigations to the missing trillions and other high crimes was going on.

do you remember hearing about this at the time?

No. First time hearing it too. Checked Pilots for 9/11 truth, nothing there.

do you even think Flight 23 was the fifth plane?

I don't know. If they did not know had bad it was in the cockpit, did they radio in for backup? It almost took off, not a lot of time in it. The media would of been all over it at the time if it did come out with 4 alive Bin Landen agents on the run.

So many things not adding up here...

1. Who were the (4) people? Surely they have the names, because they have the FAA required flight manifest from UA 23, and they could use the seat numbers from the mistaken plane where the boxcutters were found to correspond to the same seat number on UA 23. So, what were their names? This is just elementary. A Pilot In Command (PIC) cannot legally leave the gate without the flight manifest; it is not a trivial document.

2. Where did these (4) people from UA 23 go? If they just vanished into thin air, then this would be a giant red flag, and UA 23 would have been all over the MSM news coverage (as the 5th plane), but it wasn't. So, where did these (4) people go, when were they detained, and what did they say?

3. How could UA 23 have not appeared in the 9-11 Report, the most exhaustive report in history since the JFK assassination? That doesn't seem possible. If the FBI felt there was enough reason to keep it secret, then all the more reason for it to be in the 9-11 Report.

4. If UA 23 was told to return to the gate within 1-2 minutes after 9:00, which is before UA 175 hit the South Tower, why were they told to return to the gate? No one knew at that point it was a terrorist attack, only that 'a plane' had hit the North Tower (which would later be identified as AA 77). So, why was UA 23 told to return to the gate? This is very relevant. If it was a 'mechanical', then just say that, but if it was terror related, then how did they know? There was still mass confusion happening at 9:00+/-.

5. Who were the passengers sitting in the seats of the plane where the box cutters were actually found? How do they know those people were not the hijackers instead, and that UA 23 had nothing to do with it? They must have known something to make this distinction between the two planes. This one makes no sense at all! They say the box cutters were intended for people on a different plane, how would they have ever known this...even today? It's not possible unless they had some advance information about UA 23. And, if that was the case, what was this information and how did they know it? Same questions for the persons on the plane where the box cutters were found?

6. If UA 23 was deplaned and the crew interviewed, why weren't the passengers interviewed too? Why wasn't the plane moved to a secure area and deplaned there, where all the passengers and crew could be interviewed? If they knew enough to capture and interview the crew, then how did they know this? The realization that 9-11 was a terrorist attack didn't come about until late in the 9:00 hour / early 10:00 hour.

7. The article states, the crew of UA 23 were asked to review a suspect lineup. Who were these suspects, and why were they suspects...before the 2nd plane hit the South Tower? What were their names, and why were they suspects at this point in time? And, what were the crew asked to identify? A suspect lineup usually involves a witness to something, so what had the crew witnessed in order to connect a suspect to some action?? Without an action, there would be no way to single out suspect(s) from the larger lineup group? All the crew would have been able to say is..."yep, there's a lineup of people". Surely they couldn't have been asking the crew if they recognized the line up as being passengers onboard UA 23, because they already knew who was onboard UA 23 from the flight manifest. So, what was the crew being asked to identify?

8. And probably the most intriguing question of all...why would the flight crew of the adjacent plane where the box cutters were found find box cutters, and why would they deem them notable? Box cutters were not a banned item onboard aircraft on 9-11. Box cutters weren't determined to be the weapon of choice until hours and days later. So, why would box cutters be of any interest at all? What did the Port authorities know? Plus, why would crew have gone searching through seat-back pockets at all? This is not a common practice, certainly then. Cleaning crews check seat-back pockets for items left behind, but not the flight crew. This one is really odd!

9. And related to question #8, if box cutters were worthy of note (which they weren't at this time), then why wasn't the cleaning crew of the plane where the box cutters were found detained and interviewed. They would have known more than the flight crew of UA 23 would have ever known...even to this day. Who were these people, and what did they have to say?

10. The crew of UA 23 say that some of the 1st Class passengers were acting 'strangely'. Strangely, how? What were they doing which was strange? Probably every single passenger who gets on a plane does something strange, unless you're on a plane every single day. So, what 'strange' action, over and above normal unfamiliarity, were these 1st Class passengers doing? Were they dressed strangely, or acting out strangely, or looking a certain way like nervous; what was 'strange' about them?

I could probably come up with a dozen more questions about this mysterious United flight #23, but these are some good starters.

Bottom line - The news of mysterious United flight 23 just coming to light now is either some sensationalist fantasy BS hooey made up by the MSM, OR...the whole theory about the events of 9-11, and who knew what intelligence just got turned on its ear!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

1/The 4 Arabs are the patsy, setup to take the fall. On the plane would also be some Mossad/CIA agents armed with guns to control the situation as the public narrative is set. Keeping a lid on this story limited any independent investigations with who else was on the plane. Could not put a case closed as all the passengers where still alive. Too many uncomfortable questions and possible leads to let this part out in public.

2/ With the way the 4 Arabs got setup, probably got out of the country quickly. Got the impression the CIA where looking after them while stonewalling the FBI. The BBC reporting that some of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive? Also reports that the alleged plane that hit the towers where still is service too.

3/ The 9/11 Commission did not touch WTC7. The part about Saudi Arabia was a hot one that got suppressed for a while. When it comes to Israel's part, still too hot to touch. How would it of all gone if some of the hijackers did get captured alive? Expect Dick Cheney and others would want a quick case closed on it.

6/Why wasn't the plane moved to a secure area and deplaned there, where all the passengers and crew could be interviewed? It did not go to plan. For some reason this attack got called off in the last minute. If this flight got pulled before the no fly zone was ordered, maybe there was something wrong with the drone and had to abort?

Is it all just some AI generated psyop to keep the mud throwing around? With the JFK case, bits and pieces did gradually leak out over time so maybe it is that instead? Expect there is a lot in the FBI files that get a lot more incriminating than this.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Shoshanna

Al Qaeda passport on the ground near the Twin Towers.

Al Qaeda gives out passports? You might research that a bit more?

As far as jet crashes? MH 17 is an example how it’s expected to find some personal items…

www.nbcnews.com...

MH 17 is an example of what a real conspiracy looks like. Where Russia backed rebels shot down a passenger jet. Then the Russian government tried to cover it up. I think they even faked satellite imagery and released it to Russian news outlets. But you guys ignore actual conspiracies. Why? /b]

a reply to: Shoshanna

The flights were aimed( with help either from placed detonations or a missile) at specific targets to cover financial records and to destroy evidence. The WTC and The Pentagon. Pentagon was hit in the accounting and records section by the drone missile. The WTC 's third building that mysteriously fell without being hit held federal finance and spending records.