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France’s Macron Dissolves National Assembly After Le Pen Victory in European Vote
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a reply to: CriticalStinker
I don't understand it either. Was the National Assembly not a duly elected body? If so, how can it be dissolved by the swipe of the pen? I don't see that as being much of a Democratic system.
Sounds like it's time for another storming of the Basteel. Pitchforks and guillotines.
I don't understand it either. Was the National Assembly not a duly elected body? If so, how can it be dissolved by the swipe of the pen? I don't see that as being much of a Democratic system.
Sounds like it's time for another storming of the Basteel. Pitchforks and guillotines.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: theatreboy
I read it as her party won the EU elections. Maybe the election of what French parties will represent them in the EU.
Any European members care to explain?
That's exactly what happened, Macron's leftist party badly lost the election for which French people will represent France as members of the European parliament (MEP's)
France swung to the right, so he's gone for a French government election quickly, I assume to save his arse before there is a furter swing right as appears to be happening around the EU.
I'm no longer in the EU, as Britain exited, but bizarrely, pundits are expecting that the national election here on 4th of July will return us with a left wing government again...the opposite of what's happening in Europe!
I don't want a left wing government, but it doesn't make me wish we hadn't exited the EU...not one bit!🤣
a reply to: charlest2
Prime Ministers can call snap elections at any time.
The way I’ve read this is France had a vote for their parliamentary seats in the EU. The right won in a big victory, so Macron is either saying the people want change (big doubt) or is gambling to win a victory in France’s internal election and dissolved the National Assembly and calls for an election.
Sometimes there could be a disparity in how people would vote in a more localized election vs a more federal body.
Kind of like a state voting red for president and blue for governor.
My guess is it won’t turn out how Macron wants it though. Europe is getting tired of the rampant immigration and other neo liberal positions. My guess is that’s why the EU parliament sees such a big shift towards the right so the Union as a whole cuts back on immigration.
France has taken a huge brunt of that, so I could se them voting for Le Pen’s party even in the national election.
Prime Ministers can call snap elections at any time.
The way I’ve read this is France had a vote for their parliamentary seats in the EU. The right won in a big victory, so Macron is either saying the people want change (big doubt) or is gambling to win a victory in France’s internal election and dissolved the National Assembly and calls for an election.
Sometimes there could be a disparity in how people would vote in a more localized election vs a more federal body.
Kind of like a state voting red for president and blue for governor.
My guess is it won’t turn out how Macron wants it though. Europe is getting tired of the rampant immigration and other neo liberal positions. My guess is that’s why the EU parliament sees such a big shift towards the right so the Union as a whole cuts back on immigration.
France has taken a huge brunt of that, so I could se them voting for Le Pen’s party even in the national election.
a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK
Thanks for filling us in as a parliamentary type government is quite different.
Thanks for filling us in as a parliamentary type government is quite different.
a reply to: CriticalStinker
It's very different, but you can make a sort of comparison between the US and the EU if you think of the nations/countries in Europe as US states, and the EU as the federal government.
It isn't exactly like that yet, but it's exactly what the EU ultimately want it to be!😱
It's very different, but you can make a sort of comparison between the US and the EU if you think of the nations/countries in Europe as US states, and the EU as the federal government.
It isn't exactly like that yet, but it's exactly what the EU ultimately want it to be!😱
a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK
Yea, I tried to use the example of states with governors and president.
But ultimately I know it’s different because they’re individual countries with long rich history.
The US was set up this way, and ultimately I think the EU was kind of an attempt to emulate it.
Plus, the US has more of a direct option for who they’re electing whereas Europe votes on parties, and the parties pick their leader. There also seems to be more parties to pick from, everyone once and a while a wild card one winning.
Yea, I tried to use the example of states with governors and president.
But ultimately I know it’s different because they’re individual countries with long rich history.
The US was set up this way, and ultimately I think the EU was kind of an attempt to emulate it.
Plus, the US has more of a direct option for who they’re electing whereas Europe votes on parties, and the parties pick their leader. There also seems to be more parties to pick from, everyone once and a while a wild card one winning.
originally posted by: xuenchen
Macron Meets with and caters to The Bidens and then this happens !! 😃
Embrace Joe Biden, your career is over.
Macron is destroyed: theconservativetreehouse.com... te-snap-election/#more-261153
I hope American politicians are taking notice. (Ammo for Repubs / Poison Joe for Dems)
a reply to: CriticalStinker
France is the odd one out in Europe though, regarding it's president/head of state.
Macron is the commander in chief of it's military, and has the power to order the use of nuclear weapons.
He can dissolve the parliament/national assembly and force an election.
He alone, appoints/chooses the prime minister, but he can't dismiss the prime minister...the parliament/national assembly must do that.
He can also refuse to sign laws and refer them back for parliament to read it again, but only once per law.
Their system is definitely unique for their presidents compared to the rest of Europe. The others are mostly ceremonial, similar to the UK's unelected head of state (king)...they sign whatever the prime minister/parliament tells them to sign off!
I'm thinking it's a big gamble for Macron calling this national election though...to use a US comparison, if state governors had the powers, it would be like a Democrat governor of a state, announcing a state election, just because his electorate had voted for Republicans in the United States House of Representatives!
France is the odd one out in Europe though, regarding it's president/head of state.
Macron is the commander in chief of it's military, and has the power to order the use of nuclear weapons.
He can dissolve the parliament/national assembly and force an election.
He alone, appoints/chooses the prime minister, but he can't dismiss the prime minister...the parliament/national assembly must do that.
He can also refuse to sign laws and refer them back for parliament to read it again, but only once per law.
Their system is definitely unique for their presidents compared to the rest of Europe. The others are mostly ceremonial, similar to the UK's unelected head of state (king)...they sign whatever the prime minister/parliament tells them to sign off!
I'm thinking it's a big gamble for Macron calling this national election though...to use a US comparison, if state governors had the powers, it would be like a Democrat governor of a state, announcing a state election, just because his electorate had voted for Republicans in the United States House of Representatives!
edit on 9-6-2024 by AdultMaleHumanUK because: Changed 'calling for' to 'announcing'
a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK
France is also in a unique position as they’re the only nuclear power in the EU.
France has put an ambitious plan on rebuilding its military in the near future. They’ve also talked about an EU collective military so they can be more self sufficient.
Let’s take out Macron and left vs right from the context… it’s a smart and sovereign play. The UK left the EU, and the UK is also a nuclear power and has an incredibly capable military for their size. Not only their size, they have the ability to project.
The US has been a swinging pendulum, and it’s no secret we’ve had discourse on how much we should supplement Europe.
France also has an incredibly unique and effective military aspect that is often over looked, the French Foreign Legion.
People often complain of Europe’s reliance on the US, and the UK even left because they felt they were being taken advantage of.
So I applaud France’s effort on trying to be a bit more self reliant and stepping up to guide the EU in that path. The only other country with a comparable military IMO would be Poland seeing as Germany still has restrictions until 2043.
Macron is taking a huge gamble, and his official reasoning (which I view with heavy skepticism) is -
Now, if he doesn’t call a snap election, than people will continue to say he’s the equivalent of a lame duck. France also has a rich history of protest and rioting when the political system moves too far away from the people’s wishes. I don’t think he has a perfect move here.
As I’ve said, Europe as a whole, and especially France and the UK have been moving right with the influx of refugees.
People forget immigration is a different topic in Europe than in the US. While the US could understandably get frustrated about immigration and refugees, we’re a nation built on that. That’s not to say we should allow an irresponsible amount of it, but rather Europe is a continent with many nations tracking their ethnicity back thousand(s) of years.
I imagine it’s a far more intimate subject. And I would personally be offended if I was preached about diversity while hearing my culture doesn’t matter in being part of the global diversity. White Europeans are after all a global minority, yet they’re told their culture needs to be injected with the rest of the world and homogenized like the US.
I think people try to simplify all of this to right vs left, and often do so under the lens of their own national experience. We can’t accurately examine what’s happening in France if we do so with that mindset.
France is also in a unique position as they’re the only nuclear power in the EU.
France has put an ambitious plan on rebuilding its military in the near future. They’ve also talked about an EU collective military so they can be more self sufficient.
Let’s take out Macron and left vs right from the context… it’s a smart and sovereign play. The UK left the EU, and the UK is also a nuclear power and has an incredibly capable military for their size. Not only their size, they have the ability to project.
The US has been a swinging pendulum, and it’s no secret we’ve had discourse on how much we should supplement Europe.
France also has an incredibly unique and effective military aspect that is often over looked, the French Foreign Legion.
People often complain of Europe’s reliance on the US, and the UK even left because they felt they were being taken advantage of.
So I applaud France’s effort on trying to be a bit more self reliant and stepping up to guide the EU in that path. The only other country with a comparable military IMO would be Poland seeing as Germany still has restrictions until 2043.
Macron is taking a huge gamble, and his official reasoning (which I view with heavy skepticism) is -
“France needs a clear majority in serenity and harmony. To be French, at heart, is about choosing to write history, not being driven by it,”
Now, if he doesn’t call a snap election, than people will continue to say he’s the equivalent of a lame duck. France also has a rich history of protest and rioting when the political system moves too far away from the people’s wishes. I don’t think he has a perfect move here.
As I’ve said, Europe as a whole, and especially France and the UK have been moving right with the influx of refugees.
People forget immigration is a different topic in Europe than in the US. While the US could understandably get frustrated about immigration and refugees, we’re a nation built on that. That’s not to say we should allow an irresponsible amount of it, but rather Europe is a continent with many nations tracking their ethnicity back thousand(s) of years.
I imagine it’s a far more intimate subject. And I would personally be offended if I was preached about diversity while hearing my culture doesn’t matter in being part of the global diversity. White Europeans are after all a global minority, yet they’re told their culture needs to be injected with the rest of the world and homogenized like the US.
I think people try to simplify all of this to right vs left, and often do so under the lens of their own national experience. We can’t accurately examine what’s happening in France if we do so with that mindset.
a reply to: CriticalStinker
He has also positioned and advocated for France to be in direct conflict with Russia...which is idiotic at best...
He has also positioned and advocated for France to be in direct conflict with Russia...which is idiotic at best...
originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: CriticalStinker
He has also positioned and advocated for France to be in direct conflict with Russia...which is idiotic at best...
I agree and also brought that up on page one.
That said, they’ve also been stepping up their military and advocating the EU does the same.
They also have a recent history of being occupied and this war is in their region.
I disagree with the west getting directly involved with the Ukraine war, but I can at least appreciate why they take it more seriously than I do.
Personally, I think it would only escalate things. But I’m not French, so I don’t really have a say in what they do.
I’m merely doing my best at viewing all of this to the best of my ability without being reactionary and knee jerk.
a reply to: CriticalStinker
That's exactly what he's doing , basically back me or sack me.
It's a gamble.
That's exactly what he's doing , basically back me or sack me.
It's a gamble.
a reply to: CriticalStinker
All left wing parties want the 'team world' wet dream of centrist supranational authority, with free for all migration, and only right wing parties oppose it.
Faced with that blunt choice, many French have chosen the right wing now, even if their hearts are more drawn toward left wing economic policies for example.
The same happened when the campaign for Britain to leave the EU started. Many people who were previously left wing voters, voted for the right wing Conservative party, because they were essentially the only major party commited to l̶e̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶E̶U̶ (edit) offering a referendum to leave the EU.
Now we've left the EU, the 'mild' socialists have returned to their left wing economic sentiments, and a landslide left wing victory is expected on the 4th of July.
There's even talk of 'Frexit' ambitions now in mainstream media, French exit from the EU!
I would never have heard such a suggestion under left wing socialist government in France...so it really does boil down to left or right, even if people differ on some macro policies.
Personally, I think at a blunt, basic level, it really is as simple as left or right for descriptive labels, in France, in my country, and all over Europe.
I think people try to simplify all of this to right vs left, and often do so under the lens of their own national experience. We can’t accurately examine what’s happening in France if we do so with that mindset.
All left wing parties want the 'team world' wet dream of centrist supranational authority, with free for all migration, and only right wing parties oppose it.
Faced with that blunt choice, many French have chosen the right wing now, even if their hearts are more drawn toward left wing economic policies for example.
The same happened when the campaign for Britain to leave the EU started. Many people who were previously left wing voters, voted for the right wing Conservative party, because they were essentially the only major party commited to l̶e̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶E̶U̶ (edit) offering a referendum to leave the EU.
Now we've left the EU, the 'mild' socialists have returned to their left wing economic sentiments, and a landslide left wing victory is expected on the 4th of July.
There's even talk of 'Frexit' ambitions now in mainstream media, French exit from the EU!
I would never have heard such a suggestion under left wing socialist government in France...so it really does boil down to left or right, even if people differ on some macro policies.
edit on 10-6-2024 by AdultMaleHumanUK because: See strikethrough text and (edit)
a reply to: pianopraze
This is exactly the sort of diabolical NWO behaviour that we have grown to expect from the petty little dictators such as Macron & Justin Trudeau in Canada. If they don't get what they want, they just change the rules & reframe the situation so they get another chance to influence the process by stealth, securing the victory they want even if the people plainly back another party/candidate entirely, as has happened here in France with le Pen. She is not 'far right' incidentally, she is simply on the right of the political spectrum with a special interest in dealing with the out of control immigration issues that her nation is facing. I sincerely hope that she is able to overturn the petty little dictator's decision, ruling in his stead & casting him out into the cold. France needs root & branch change, and Le Pen can provide it. This is why Macron 'kicked over the sand castle' of Le Pen as described by another poster. Disgusting anti-democratic behaviour.
This is exactly the sort of diabolical NWO behaviour that we have grown to expect from the petty little dictators such as Macron & Justin Trudeau in Canada. If they don't get what they want, they just change the rules & reframe the situation so they get another chance to influence the process by stealth, securing the victory they want even if the people plainly back another party/candidate entirely, as has happened here in France with le Pen. She is not 'far right' incidentally, she is simply on the right of the political spectrum with a special interest in dealing with the out of control immigration issues that her nation is facing. I sincerely hope that she is able to overturn the petty little dictator's decision, ruling in his stead & casting him out into the cold. France needs root & branch change, and Le Pen can provide it. This is why Macron 'kicked over the sand castle' of Le Pen as described by another poster. Disgusting anti-democratic behaviour.
a reply to: CriticalStinker
"Macron was certainly a lefty but I don’t know if he’d fit the mold of a globalist."
2001, diploma, IEP Paris; 2002-04, studied at ENA (National Administration School); postgraduate diploma (DEA) in Philosophy. 1999-2001, worked for philosopher Paul Ricoeur. Former senior official and 2004-08, Inspecteur des Finances, Ministry of Economy, in charge of the Commission for French Growth (Attali commission) and project leader; 2008, joined the private sector as Investment Banker (Partner), Rothschild. 2012-14, Deputy Secretary-General, Presidency of the French Republic. 2014-16, Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs of France. Since May 2017, President of the Republic of France.
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Certainly not a "lefty" for people who still believe in left and right instead of learning about the existence of top and bottom. And of course he is a globalists tool that has willingly passed through the WEF cadre school.
Glad that i could help!
"Macron was certainly a lefty but I don’t know if he’d fit the mold of a globalist."
2001, diploma, IEP Paris; 2002-04, studied at ENA (National Administration School); postgraduate diploma (DEA) in Philosophy. 1999-2001, worked for philosopher Paul Ricoeur. Former senior official and 2004-08, Inspecteur des Finances, Ministry of Economy, in charge of the Commission for French Growth (Attali commission) and project leader; 2008, joined the private sector as Investment Banker (Partner), Rothschild. 2012-14, Deputy Secretary-General, Presidency of the French Republic. 2014-16, Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs of France. Since May 2017, President of the Republic of France.
Emmanuel Macron | World Economic Forum
Community | The Forum of Young Global Leaders
Certainly not a "lefty" for people who still believe in left and right instead of learning about the existence of top and bottom. And of course he is a globalists tool that has willingly passed through the WEF cadre school.
Glad that i could help!
a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK
Le Pen has always been against the crazy bureaucracy of the E.U. as are a lot of populist politicians in the E.U.. I think the majority want a free trade agreement, but without all the crazy E.U. laws that are attached to any agreement, and open boarders.
I also agree that after the sh*t show of the conservative government over the last few years thanks to idiots like Boris, the country is going to vote in a labour goverment but we're out of Europe and won't be going back, even if Labour wanted that.
Macron always appeared to be very anti-British in any decision he made, you only have to look at the MSM and the meal they made out of the Para's having to show passports after the D-day reinactments. Macron could of made it a show of solidarity but instead showed his pettiness.
The French are also quick to throw a strike if they disagree with any decision made by the government, maybe Macron thinks by dissolving the Assembly, he can blame the people for any problems down the road?
There's even talk of 'Frexit' ambitions now in mainstream media, French exit from the EU!
Le Pen has always been against the crazy bureaucracy of the E.U. as are a lot of populist politicians in the E.U.. I think the majority want a free trade agreement, but without all the crazy E.U. laws that are attached to any agreement, and open boarders.
I also agree that after the sh*t show of the conservative government over the last few years thanks to idiots like Boris, the country is going to vote in a labour goverment but we're out of Europe and won't be going back, even if Labour wanted that.
Macron always appeared to be very anti-British in any decision he made, you only have to look at the MSM and the meal they made out of the Para's having to show passports after the D-day reinactments. Macron could of made it a show of solidarity but instead showed his pettiness.
The French are also quick to throw a strike if they disagree with any decision made by the government, maybe Macron thinks by dissolving the Assembly, he can blame the people for any problems down the road?
edit on 10-6-2024 by Kurokage because: (no reason given)
a reply to: pianopraze
I think we all know why people are voting more towards the right...
Even beginning to happen in England... it's predicted Reform UK will overtake Conservatives in the upcoming Election but unfortunately it means Labour will win and we'll have to put up with them for at least 4 years!
I think we all know why people are voting more towards the right...
Even beginning to happen in England... it's predicted Reform UK will overtake Conservatives in the upcoming Election but unfortunately it means Labour will win and we'll have to put up with them for at least 4 years!
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