Former President Donald Trump's Hush Money Felony Conviction Will Be Reversed-Overturned.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: JadedGhost

Actually JG, all 12 did not have to agree. Read merchants instructions again.

If 4 jurors voted guilty, Merchan would consider that a unanimous guilty verdict. So while it may have been recorded as unanimous, only 4 had to agree upon guilty.

I mean seriously, they discussed 34 charges in less than 8 hours of deliberation?

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 jurors buying new houses this summer.

That’s completely false.

All 12 Jurors absolutely had to be unanimous that he was guilty of falsifying business records to cover up another crime. They just didn’t all have to agree on what that other crime was, which is where your getting confused.

Again, wrong.

But it seems to be a mute point now...it was announced that the jury would find him guilty...a day before the verdict. Yet, they still seem to have deliberated a bit on the 30th to make it look good.

More proof it was rigged from the get go.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: JadedGhost

Actually JG, all 12 did not have to agree. Read merchants instructions again.

If 4 jurors voted guilty, Merchan would consider that a unanimous guilty verdict. So while it may have been recorded as unanimous, only 4 had to agree upon guilty.

I mean seriously, they discussed 34 charges in less than 8 hours of deliberation?

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 jurors buying new houses this summer.

That’s completely false.

All 12 Jurors absolutely had to be unanimous that he was guilty of falsifying business records to cover up another crime. They just didn’t all have to agree on what that other crime was, which is where your getting confused.

Again, wrong.

But it seems to be a mute point now...it was announced that the jury would find him guilty...a day before the verdict. Yet, they still seem to have deliberated a bit on the 30th to make it look good.

More proof it was rigged from the get go.

Don't Worry . this will all come out in the Appeal Hearing , and I do not Think the State of New York wants any more Negative Press pointing out the Injustices of their Judicial System or the Scrutiny of it by a New Administration in the White House in Jan. 2025 .

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: JadedGhost

Actually JG, all 12 did not have to agree. Read merchants instructions again.

If 4 jurors voted guilty, Merchan would consider that a unanimous guilty verdict. So while it may have been recorded as unanimous, only 4 had to agree upon guilty.

I mean seriously, they discussed 34 charges in less than 8 hours of deliberation?

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 jurors buying new houses this summer.

That’s completely false.

All 12 Jurors absolutely had to be unanimous that he was guilty of falsifying business records to cover up another crime. They just didn’t all have to agree on what that other crime was, which is where your getting confused.

Again, wrong.

But it seems to be a mute point now...it was announced that the jury would find him guilty...a day before the verdict. Yet, they still seem to have deliberated a bit on the 30th to make it look good.

More proof it was rigged from the get go.

Yeah nah, I’m 100% right. But if you’re that far gone that you actually believe the Jury didn’t have to be unanimous, then there really isn’t anything I can say to convince you.

Good luck getting that mistrial because of something some random troll on the internet said.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: JadedGhost

Actually JG, all 12 did not have to agree. Read merchants instructions again.

If 4 jurors voted guilty, Merchan would consider that a unanimous guilty verdict. So while it may have been recorded as unanimous, only 4 had to agree upon guilty.

I mean seriously, they discussed 34 charges in less than 8 hours of deliberation?

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 jurors buying new houses this summer.

That’s completely false.

All 12 Jurors absolutely had to be unanimous that he was guilty of falsifying business records to cover up another crime. They just didn’t all have to agree on what that other crime was, which is where your getting confused.

Again, wrong.

But it seems to be a mute point now...it was announced that the jury would find him guilty...a day before the verdict. Yet, they still seem to have deliberated a bit on the 30th to make it look good.

More proof it was rigged from the get go.

Yeah nah, I’m 100% right. But if you’re that far gone that you actually believe the Jury didn’t have to be unanimous, then there really isn’t anything I can say to convince you.

Good luck getting that mistrial because of something some random troll on the internet said.

And here I thought Merchan was a "judge".

An random internet troll, huh.

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: rickymouse

If Trump had of just admitted he slept with Stromy then the prosecution would’ve never been allowed to use her as a witness.

Trump sure went out of his way to make it as hard as possible for his defense to argue his case.

Who cares if he slept with a porn star back then. People make mistakes and most often will get deeper in lies trying to stop people from finding out the truth. I see that happening everywhere, it seems to be a common human trait. So Trump is human...wow, I can't believe that.

The more prestigious the person is the more they try to convince people that their mistakes were not mistakes. Look at Fauci, he screwed up but is denying he did, even so much as saying everyone else made the mistakes..not himself. A common Ad Hominum technique that is taught in some prestigious rich people colleges.

Trump messed up paying her off and the coverup seems to have caused all the problems. Democrats cover up their mistakes all the time, and I cannot understand how their followers can't see they did things that are not good for a politician to do. Waters and AOC keep trying to say others are doing things wrong yet they did much worse things. Pelosi is so hung up on herself that she denies her screwups continuously. And Biden...He is one of the politicians that is the most attack prone against anyone who question his actions at all, I have known people like him and I tried to avoid them even though I could expose their deceit so easily using reason. But those kind of people think Rational thinkers are their enemy, and they cut you down to others they meet, strangely I know so many people that nobody believes their thrashing lies.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: rickymouse

If Trump had of just admitted he slept with Stromy then the prosecution would’ve never been allowed to use her as a witness.

Trump sure went out of his way to make it as hard as possible for his defense to argue his case.

Who cares if he slept with a porn star back then.

I wouldn’t personally care if Trump was sleeping with a porn star right now.

My point was just the stupidity of Trump for not admitting to it in court, the defense denied he ever slept with Stromy in both the opening and closing arguments. Just imagine if you were one of those Jurors, they’re supposed to believe that everybody else is a liar and Trumps just the poor innocent victim who did nothing wrong, yet he can’t even own up to what everybody knows is true.

a reply to: rickymouse

" Who cares if he slept with a porn star back then."



Everyone " Cares " if it is Proven to be Untrue . Slander and False Witness are Not to be taken Lightly in a Country Ruled by Laws ......

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: rickymouse

If Trump had of just admitted he slept with Stromy then the prosecution would’ve never been allowed to use her as a witness.

Trump sure went out of his way to make it as hard as possible for his defense to argue his case.

Who cares if he slept with a porn star back then.

I wouldn’t personally care if Trump was sleeping with a porn star right now.

My point was just the stupidity of Trump for not admitting to it in court, the defense denied he ever slept with Stromy in both the opening and closing arguments. Just imagine if you were one of those Jurors, they’re supposed to believe that everybody else is a liar and Trumps just the poor innocent victim who did nothing wrong, yet he can’t even own up to what everybody knows is true.

Trump would never have paid the blackmail money if he didn't sleep with her. It would have been his word against hers, but by paying it he admitted to it....so why would he lie in court. I think that was a concoction of his lawyers, they tried to say there was no evidence other than her word that it happened. He did not get charged with any crime to do with that event, just for paying for it improperly....something his lawyer at the time should have advised him to do correctly, instead Trump believed it would be all right since a high priced lawyer said it would be ok. Who do you blame? Lawyers in the white house told trump many times he could not do something legally and he always backed down and restrained from doing it. If you have a lawyer working for you, it is the responsibility of that lawyer to do and advise correct things.

Trump tries things, but if lawyers say you cannot do it he doesn't, his lawyer should have told him no, I know lawyers, they say no and if you don't listen they will quit. There are lawyers that do break the law, but if something happens they are on the hook, the client only has to pay penalties and interest. Maybe it is different in DC and NYC, seems like that is where all the crooked people live.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: rickymouse

" Who cares if he slept with a porn star back then."



Everyone " Cares " if it is Proven to be Untrue . Slander and False Witness are Not to be taken Lightly in a Country Ruled by Laws ......

My thoughts are why would he have paid that blackmail if he had not slept with her. By paying it he kind of admitted wrongdoing. Trump a few times stated he was not involved with women in a sexual way who said he had done things, he never paid a cent and fought the lawsuits. I feel he did have an affair with her, and paying her off was the wrong thing to do, he was not married at that time to his Melania I think. And even if he was, it was between him and Melania, not something that should condemn him from being president.

After all, I just chuckled when I heard Bill say " I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

a reply to: rickymouse

Think about this for a Minute . Would a Middleaged Good Looking Billionaire who could Bed Any Beautiful Socialite other than his Present Wife IF he cared to , and being a known Germaphobe , go chasing the Tail of a Possibly Diseased Female Porn Actress just to Convince himself he's Still a Man ? Sorry , No Way a Sane Person buy's that Tall Tale .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: rickymouse

Think about this for a Minute . Would a Middleaged Good Looking Billionaire who could Bed Any Beautiful Socialite other than his Present Wife IF he cared to , and being a known Germaphobe , go chasing the Tail of a Possibly Diseased Female Porn Actress just to Convince himself he's Still a Man ? Sorry , No Way a Sane Person buy's that Tall Tale .

I wouldn't go out with a porn star. I guess he had just married Melania not long before this incident was supposed to have happened, I had thought it happened before they got married.

I don't know why he would want to go with Stormy, but look at hunter, he liked that kind of women it seems. His wife was much better looking than stormy was but I just think it is strange that Trump fought and pretty much won other women's claims but paid off this one. I think the other claims were false so he fought them. Trump was no angel either, he could have had a weak moment. It happens

a reply to: rickymouse

Nobody Likes Bad Press when you are a Public Figure , and Mr. Trump said it Never Happened . Besides , Cohen was the one who gave her Money , and She did at one time Claimed in a Written Statement Denying it ever Happened . Who do you Believe here ?

a reply to: TheEvilScotsman

You'll feel better when President Donald Trump enables an improvement in your family and friend's quality of life.

originally posted by: NoOneButMeAgain
Let's hope it isn't. He committed a crime, was found guilty. Why should the Captain Orange get special treatment? He just needs to be sentenced accordingly.

Obama did similar and got a $375,000 fine.

Source: www.politico.com...

What Trump was convicted of was not a felony, lol. The Supreme Court will knock Bragg and Merchan off their high horses, and President Trump (with our help) will ensure they no longer work in the legal field.

originally posted by: bally001
Prosecute Stormy Daniels if she hasn't declared her 'Hush' money to the IRS when she allegedly received it.

Bally

The prosecution window may have closed for Stormy, just like it did for Hunter Biden's tax crimes.

ALL WHO MISSED THE BELOW POST FROM JonesElius, needs to read it. Filled with WISDOM and TRUTH!

originally posted by: Joneselius
Stop being stupid.

You're setting a prescedent for absolute tyranny with this farce of a trial.

Everything about this trial was a fix, even I can see that in the UK. Right down to the judges instructions, the prosecutors wife's affiliations, the prosecutors own words prior to the trial.

Hillary Clinton got away with literal murder, and sharing classified material claiming she didn't know what the 'c' was for on documents and emails, even though she was a lawyer.

Hunter Bidens laptop turns out to be 100% real, but you're not up in arms about that either. Why?

Can you show me ANY previous ruling where someone is being charged for a felony offense (on a retrial) for OVERPAYING on his returns?

Just one. If not, I'd be quiet and let the adults talk. Your bias and party politic is showing. This was a disgusting miscarriage of justice and puts your entire legal system into disrepute - America is becoming a banana Republic, you have a leader that matches it too, he literally soiled his nappy on the world arena. . . . How apt.

God appoints leaders that reflect their country, America is now a Godless, confused nation, incontinent on the world stage, literally.

a reply to: NoOneButMeAgain

a reply to: WeMustCare

My best guess is the shadow, also called the emergency docket of the Supreme Court will be used for this case.

In theory, they can skip over all the State appeals.

The question is when will the appeal be filed.

If they put Trump in prison, which is highly likely for the visual, they will probably immediately appeal to one of the Justices and Trump will be out in a few days. If Merchan was smart, he would give Trump probation, which would make it less likely for an immediate appeal to be granted.

The people behind the planning, did a bad job of gaging the reaction of the public. And this often happens with people hiding behind PC theories. They don't get honest feedback. Trump does something wrong and no one is afraid to point it out, not even Republicans.

a reply to: JadedGhost

And with the multiple choice options, how is an appeals Court going to review the case.

If the appeals court rules the conduct would have been a violation of tax laws but not campaign laws, how will they know if the decision should be overturned?

They won't know.

And that's exactly why Merchan wrote it the way he did, so the Appeals Court could not claim no law was violated because they won't know the exact law.

a reply to: Daughter2v2

If Merchan was smart, he would give Trump probation, which would make it less likely for an immediate appeal to be granted.

Sentencing is currently down for 11th July. A few days later will be a big RNC meeting. While Trump is on lockdown, will their be a big globalists push for someone more on their program. They know the Dems ratings suck and will be tougher to fix, easier to corrupt the Republicans and continue on with the plan.

I know the majority won't care or even like Trump more for being locked up. A bit of political jail time helped Nelson Mandella. For all this to go down at such a critical time in the lead up to the next election, it is going to shake up the Republican party and see where everyone stands.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: JadedGhost

And with the multiple choice options, how is an appeals Court going to review the case.

If the appeals court rules the conduct would have been a violation of tax laws but not campaign laws, how will they know if the decision should be overturned?

They won't know.

And that's exactly why Merchan wrote it the way he did, so the Appeals Court could not claim no law was violated because they won't know the exact law.

Well actually I think he gave those 3 choices because all 3 laws were broken when the reimbursement’s were disguised as legal fees. That’s where it gets complicated though, because he didn’t get convicted of any of those 3 crimes it just had to be agreed by the Jury that he deliberately broke one of those 3 laws when he falsified the business records.

As much as people like to claim “no crime” because they don’t understand the law he was convicted with, I think you’ll find it’s pretty solid. Trump may win an appeal, but It’ll be on some technicality, rather than the over all legitimacy of the trial.