Biden secretly gave Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia with US weapons

a reply to: Dandandat3

How is returning the favor and hitting targets inside Russia any sort of escalation?

Given the fact that Russia has been hitting Ukraine and its capital Kyiv with cruise missile barrages.

Since day one of Putin's failed ""special military operation"".

What is good for the goose is good for the gander and Russia will reap what they sow by my guess.

a reply to: opethPA
I bet you never thought, back when you saw opethpa as some form of metal counter culture, or whatever, that you would be a state parrott spewing state sponsored propaganda, like H Stern.

How edgy

originally posted by: opethPA
He partially lifted , in a limited manner, the ban with a focus on defending Kharkiv. These elements need to be used in a counterfire - defensive manner. They can be used offensively to eliminate the build up of invading resources near Kharkiv.

That isn't the same as him saying "have at it and drop the gloves". If they get used currently then that means RUssia was the aggressor and just like they were with the invasion are accountable for their actions. If or when they become an active element used outside of Kharkiv then that is a whole different story, until then its limited .

Biden partially lifts ban on Ukraine using US arms in strikes on Russian territory, US officials say

President Joe Biden has given Ukraine the go-ahead to use American weaponry to strike inside Russia for the limited purpose of defending Kharkiv, according to three U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

apnews.com...

I'm a bit slow. So is this like "mostly peaceful" protesting or "Let's Go Brandon"?

If this keeps up Russia will drop a small! nuc in Ukraine.
Just to say, "FU keep this up and you are next".

Democratic Need to be stopt.
they know they need 4 for years to ???
and will do Any thing to do it! ???

and you are expendable.

Breaking News in Germany:

"German government allows Ukraine to use German weapons against targets in Russia"

The US master has spoken, the german dachshund on the leash now of course does as he is told. Nothing new but it's starting to piss you off as a citizen of an alleged independent nation when it is so obvious and only for US interests but against peace and freedom in Germany/Europe.

And nobody should try to tell me that we have to stand by the poor Ukraine, that corrupt fascist sh!thole and Russia both have a history before "green men" walked into eastern Ukraine. Our oh so objectively reporting MSM was full of reports, until "green men" walked into eastern Ukraine and especially until TPTB switched from Corona to Ukraine in less than twelve hours, about shelling of fellow Ukrainians only because they lived a bit too far in the east of the Ukraine. About butterfly mines they Kiev regime and Azov Nazis used to cripple or kill even children there. About their annual national Bandera holiday when really huge parts of the ukrainian citizens raise their right hands on their torchlight marches to hail that Nazi. About all that corruption there, about the oligarchs who rule that sh!thole and so on and on.

If you piss on someone's leg constantly and over a long period of time even though you know that this opponent is too strong, then you don't need to try to get the whole neighborhood together later to fight your brawl for you. Maybe you should have thought better beforehand.

This is what one could think about that war if we wouldn´t know that this is a very strange war over there, led by two WEF so called Young Global Leaders. That war seems to be created to destroy not too much of the Ukraine and seems to be created to stay as long as needed by TPTB. Maybe to cover and excuse the side effects of their Great Reset agenda which we, as citizens of parts of the oh so democratic and peaceful and honest and morally good west, are currently feeling the full force of, especially since 2020.

WWIII. SURE.

Aren't you guys supposed to be fighting Donald Trump's civil war?

Get to it. Now is the time. Trump is waiting. Don't forget to tell your family you'll be in jail for a decade or so.

NOW GET OUT THERE!

a reply to: Dandandat3

originally posted by: Disgusted123
WWIII. SURE.

Aren't you guys supposed to be fighting Donald Trump's civil war?

Get to it. Now is the time. Trump is waiting. Don't forget to tell your family you'll be in jail for a decade or so.

NOW GET OUT THERE!

a reply to: Dandandat3

I would like to be there when you are forcibly sat down to your 8 course crow dinner but unfortunately I won't be.

It's going to be epic.

a reply to: Scratchpost

If this keeps up Russia will drop a small! nuc in Ukraine.
Just to say, "FU keep this up and you are next".

Dont think so.

Because if they do NATO forces will be forced to intervene.

Should Putin be stupid enough to start chucking tactical nukes out of the pram.

He also has been made aware that he is personally targeted at all times.

And China wont be to happy considering if a full-blown nuclear conflict materializes in Europe there goes their marketplace to sell the majority of their export products.

The Administration has now sanctioned strikes inside of Russia using America Hardware.

Good.

Ukraine shouldn't have to defend itself with one hand tied behind its back.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scratchpost

If this keeps up Russia will drop a small! nuc in Ukraine.
Just to say, "FU keep this up and you are next".

Dont think so.

Because if they do NATO forces will be forced to intervene.

Should Putin be stupid enough to start chucking tactical nukes out of the pram.

He also has been made aware that he is personally targeted at all times.

And China wont be to happy considering if a full-blown nuclear conflict materializes in Europe there goes their marketplace to sell the majority of their export products.

Also the use of even single tactical weapons in Ukraine would trigger a rush to get nuclear arms among China's neighbours.

The principle that nuclear powers don't use these weapons works heavily in China's favour in potential local conflicts as it has such a massive conventional military advantage.

a reply to: andy06shake

I think you missed the "US Hardware" part of the story. What Russia and Ukraine do to each other is clearly up to them. What the US does to Russia is our problem.

It is the continued escalation out of the Biden Administration that can become a problem. We are miles away from the aid we were providing two years ago. What happens in 6 months?

Clearly the Biden administration is banking on Russias unconstitutional surrender... what happens when that doesn't come?

originally posted by: Disgusted123
WWIII. SURE.

Aren't you guys supposed to be fighting Donald Trump's civil war?

Get to it. Now is the time. Trump is waiting. Don't forget to tell your family you'll be in jail for a decade or so.

NOW GET OUT THERE!

a reply to: Dandandat3

See this is why people came up with the term TDS to discribe people like you. This thread issue has nothing to do with Donald Trump what so ever and yet he is all you can think about.

originally posted by: Dandandat3
a reply to: andy06shake

I think you missed the "US Hardware" part of the story. What Russia and Ukraine do to each other is clearly up to them. What the US does to Russia is our problem.

It is the continued escalation out of the Biden Administration that can become a problem. We are miles away from the aid we were providing two years ago. What happens in 6 months?

Clearly the Biden administration is banking on Russias unconstitutional surrender... what happens when that doesn't come?

Russia is the second largest exporter of weapons in the world. Is every use of them Russia attacking someone?

I assume that's an autocorrect from unconditional and no one expects or wants that. They want Russia to withdraw its troops from Ukraine.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scratchpost

If this keeps up Russia will drop a small! nuc in Ukraine.
Just to say, "FU keep this up and you are next".

Dont think so.

Because if they do NATO forces will be forced to intervene.

Should Putin be stupid enough to start chucking tactical nukes out of the pram.

He also has been made aware that he is personally targeted at all times.

And China wont be to happy considering if a full-blown nuclear conflict materializes in Europe there goes their marketplace to sell the majority of their export products.

The problem with your argument is that NATO have already been intervening in this conflict and there continues to be escalation month over month. How can something that is already happening be a deterrent?

You are also relying on the man who started this war to have set boundaries for himself. If he was a reasonable man he would not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.

China cares about world domination; it's leaders are already rich and powerful enough to do anything they want; economics isn’t the Ends for them it is a means to an end. They don't calculate world conflict as you discribe.

Listen I get it Russia bad; and I agree. But that doesn't mean you continue to escalate your provocation toward them (over a miniscule country on their board not yours) hoping they swerve first in the game of chicken. The point of the game is that once it starts its outcome is unpredictable even if you have the newer shiny car.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Dandandat3
a reply to: andy06shake

I think you missed the "US Hardware" part of the story. What Russia and Ukraine do to each other is clearly up to them. What the US does to Russia is our problem.

It is the continued escalation out of the Biden Administration that can become a problem. We are miles away from the aid we were providing two years ago. What happens in 6 months?

Clearly the Biden administration is banking on Russias unconstitutional surrender... what happens when that doesn't come?

Russia is the second largest exporter of weapons in the world. Is every use of them Russia attacking someone?

I assume that's an autocorrect from unconditional and no one expects or wants that. They want Russia to withdraw its troops from Ukraine.

The US isn't just selling weapons to Ukraine. We are providing a lot more aid than that. The analogy doesn't hold.

Yes - sorry about the misspelling; I am dyslexic and the writen form of language is difficult for me. Even with autocorrect and multiple proofreadings incorrect words still slip by. You should have seen me in high-school before they retraining my brain, illegible.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Dandandat3
a reply to: andy06shake

I think you missed the "US Hardware" part of the story. What Russia and Ukraine do to each other is clearly up to them. What the US does to Russia is our problem.

It is the continued escalation out of the Biden Administration that can become a problem. We are miles away from the aid we were providing two years ago. What happens in 6 months?

Clearly the Biden administration is banking on Russias unconstitutional surrender... what happens when that doesn't come?

Russia is the second largest exporter of weapons in the world. Is every use of them Russia attacking someone?

I assume that's an autocorrect from unconditional and no one expects or wants that. They want Russia to withdraw its troops from Ukraine.

The US isn't just selling weapons to Ukraine. We are providing a lot more aid than that. The analogy doesn't hold.

Yes - sorry about the misspelling; I am dyslexic and the writen form of language is difficult for me. Even with autocorrect and multiple proofreadings incorrect words still slip by. You should have seen me in high-school before they retraining my brain, illegible.

Russia also has provided a lot of military aid to countries as well.

No worries about the spelling, was clear what you meant.

a reply to: Dandandat3

The problem with your argument is that NATO have already been intervening in this conflict and there continues to be escalation month over month. How can something that is already happening be a deterrent?

Russia is not fighting NATO forces, that's a fact.

Russia is fighting Ukraine armed with some NATO equipment.

You are also relying on the man who started this war to have set boundaries for himself. If he was a reasonable man he would not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.

You dont capitulate or roll over to scum like Putin, simple as that.

China cares about world domination; it's leaders are already rich and powerful enough to do anything they want; economics isn’t the Ends for them it is a means to an end. They don't calculate world conflict as you discribe.

And it would be economic suicide to lose your largest market down to allowing Putin to unleash nuclear war.

I think they may have calculated that fact and scenario.

Listen I get it Russia bad; and I agree. But that doesn't mean you continue to escalate your provocation toward them (over a miniscule country on their board not yours) hoping they swerve first in the game of chicken. The point of the game is that once it starts its outcome is unpredictable even if you have the newer shiny car.

It's not Russia is that bad per say, but the man behind the wheel sure is.

And the point of the game is to win Dandandat3.

The same as always.

And the fact of the matter is that Russia can not be allowed to prevail.

a reply to: Dandandat3

What happens in 6 months?

How long is a piece of string?

A lot. Not that much. Possibly nothing.

As to what happens when Russia's unconstitutional surrender does not come?

Continued conflict i should imagine, and another cold war for the foreseeable as unfortunate as the case maybe.

a reply to: andy06shake

Just another cold war; at least we are the good guys.

a reply to: Dandandat3

Well, we did not invade Ukraine that was Putin and his crew.

Good bad might depend on where one is standing really perspective and all that jazz.

But those of us old enough to remember the last iteration of such tend to know which side their bread is buttered.
And on my end that's sure as sh@t not Russia side up.

Need to go do some work and stuff in the real world for a spell.

But enjoyed the convo, check back later.