The verdict is in.

a reply to: Threadbarer

So. With the judges instructions.. “However, they do not have to agree on what the crime he was trying to cover up was, Merchan said.”

So. How do you even appeal on the felony charge if there is no clear verdict on what that crime is to change the misdemeanor to a felony. A juror can literally think Trump orange, must be a crime and find him guilty of a felony?

Your first claim.....

So far, he hasn't got any other country to pay up anything

a reply to: chr0naut

Donald Trump has actually kept the main promise of his 2016 campaign, because Mexico is paying for a "border wall." The only thing is that it’s not a physical wall and it’s not on the southwest border: It’s a wall of Mexican National Guard members on the border between Mexico and Guatemala, working to keep Trump's promises to the American people in the name of Mexican national security... and capitulation to their northern neighbor.

how can you be so wrong?

President Donald Trump "is committed to NATO" and deserves credit in obtaining $100 billion more in defense spending for the alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, the secretary general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said Sunday. 

what are you talking about?

Next claim...

How could the alleged millions of illegals be entering the country if there really was a wall, or if the wall was an effective way of stopping them?

reply to: chr0naut

The number of illegal immigrants apprehended at the southwest border in 2017 hit a 45-year low

you are clueless

Again with an unfounded claim...

Yup, he cut taxes, which pushed the national debt into the stratosphere. America can no longer service its debts and probably can never recover, he's done America in.

reply to: chr0naut

U.S. companies have repatriated $1 trillion since tax overhaul

look at this!!

Your claim is not true, the tax cuts generated massive investments and job growth which netted greater tax dollars taken in by the US treasury, the covid PPP program and other covid related expendatures pushed the national debt.

I posted this previously but this is the FEC's first General Counsel's report.

Here was what they found:

Recommendations:



MURs 7313 and 7319 10 1. Find reason to believe that Michael D. Cohen knowingly and willfully violated 11 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a)(1)(A) by making excessive contributions; 12 2. Find reason to believe that Michael D. Cohen knowingly and willfully violated 13 52 U.S.C. § 30122 by making a contribution in the name of another; 14 3. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump knowingly and willfully violated 15 52 U.S.C. § 30116(f) by knowingly accepting excessive contributions from Michael 16 D. Cohen; 17 4. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump knowingly and willfully violated 18 52 U.S.C. § 30122 by knowingly accepting a contribution in the name of another; 19 5. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump knowingly and willfully violated 20 52 U.S.C. § 30118(a) by knowingly accepting a corporate contribution from the 21 Trump Organization OR knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. § 30116(f) by 22 knowingly accepting an excessive contribution from the Trump Organization; 23 6. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., and Bradley T. 24 Crate in his official capacity as treasurer knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. 25 § 30104(b) and 11 C.F.R. § 104.3(a) and (b) by filing false disclosure reports with 26 the Commission; 27 7. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., and Bradley T. 28 Crate in his official capacity as treasurer knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. 29 § 30116(f) by knowingly accepting excessive contributions from Michael D. Cohen


Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., and Bradley T. 1 Crate in his official capacity as treasurer knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. 2 § 30122 by knowingly accepting a contribution in the name of another; 3 9. Find reason to believe that Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., and Bradley T. 4 Crate in his official capacity as treasurer knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. 5 § 30118(a) by knowingly accepting a corporate contribution from the Trump 6 Organization OR knowingly and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. § 30116(f) by 7 knowingly accepting an excessive contribution from the Trump Organization; 8 10. Find reason to believe that Trump Organization, LLC, knowingly and willfully 9 violated 52 U.S.C. § 30118(a) by making a corporate contribution OR knowingly 10 and willfully violated 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a)(1)(A) by making an excessive 11 contribution; 12 11. Find reason to believe that Essential Consultants, LLC, knowingly and willfully 13 violated 52 U.S.C. § 30122 by knowingly permitting its name to be used to effect a 14 contribution in the name of another; 15 12. Authorize the use of compulsory process;

Due to these findings a further investigation was requested:

By voting against the recommendation, Republican Commissioners Sean Cooksey and James “Trey” Trainor effectively killed any further inquiry into Trump’s actions, despite the fact that the agency’s professional staff believed the available evidence was at least sufficient to conduct a formal investigation. 

Link

You can download the pdf here

There was evidence of a crime found. It went nowhere, but only because it was scuttled.

a reply to: chr0naut


That line at the bottom of repeatedly denigrated the Military is 100% DS propaganda and we know it. You DS types have some major Karma coming and you know it.

Why do you keep spreading proven lies?

I know why and so do the rest of us.

Hoax bin that post IMO.

a reply to: frogs453

But there was no Federal conviction of Trump. That opens a door for finding The Merchan Trial Jury convictions are based on unconstitutional procedures when they (The Jury) "decided" Trump was guilty of a Federal crime without a Federal conviction. 😀

a reply to: xuenchen

The courts have long allowed predicate crimes to be used in convicting another crime without those predicate crimes being charged.

a reply to: xuenchen

We will see, apparently considering AMI entered a conciliation agreement agreed to by every FEC commissioner for the prohibited in-kind corporate payment for the catch and kill scheme, and Cohen went to prison, the jury could infer Trump also committed a crime. I mean unless you truly believe everyone else involved committed a crime, but somehow Trump was just clueless to it all.

Not sure if stating that he has his trusted people commit crimes and/or he has no idea is a great thing to realize about someone you want leading the country either.

There was no Federal Election Campiagn issue - as determined by the Federal Election Committee.
Therefore, there is no possible way that the 10yr old bookkeeping errors were in furtherance to another crime.
That is why the judge and the prosecution had to play down the 'other' crime.
This is a real shame for America , but not unexpected.
Things just got a whole lot worse with this precedent setting sham.

Dems really must hold on to power now by any means necessary because if the Republicans get back in Obama, the Clintons and Bidens are going to be targeted with lawfare.

The 'by any means necessary' is the scary part.
They had to rig the last election, but that could be tame compared to what they will now do.
I can see lots of censorship coming and more people going to jail - like Elon Musk for example.

a reply to: frogs453

Is there a way to go after the 2 that intentionally killed the investigation?

If there isn’t, there should be.

How often are investigations killed?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Trump and his team were notified of all charges, they were allowed to file and argue pre-trial motions, they took part in jury selection, they were allowed to cross the prosecution's witness and present their own case.

This is the definition of due process. At the end of the day, Trump's lawyers failed. Whether this was due to Trump micromanaging every aspect of the defense or his lawyers just being bad remains to be argued. But I would say it's going to be hard to argue Merchan was biased when he was making objections for the defense because Trump's team wasn't making them on their own.

Again…..no balls to tell us to our faces “I know the trial was a scam, Trump lost, so suck it”
Because you know it was a rigged scam, or can we count you as one of the millions of simple idiots that believed it was a fair trial?

Because it’s one or the other. Period.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: frogs453

Is there a way to go after the 2 that intentionally killed the investigation?

If there isn’t, there should be.

How often are investigations killed?

Ask these losers about killing investigations.




No charges from the FEC, that’s the bottom line.
And who says they intentionally “killed” an investigation? Frogs? 🤣🤣

Anyone else in authority say that?

a reply to: frogs453

It's really funny how part of Trump's defense was that he's so hands off that he knew nothing about the payment only for Blanche's first interview after the conviction to be about how involved Trump was in constructing his defense.

originally posted by: UKTruth

They had to rig the last election, but that could be tame compared to what they will now do.

Just complete BS -- there was no rigged election.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Threadbarer

So. With the judges instructions.. “However, they do not have to agree on what the crime he was trying to cover up was, Merchan said.”

So. How do you even appeal on the felony charge if there is no clear verdict on what that crime is to change the misdemeanor to a felony. A juror can literally think Trump orange, must be a crime and find him guilty of a felony?

You really think all this low hanging fruit cares about law? All they care about is that someone they don't like got charged for something and they look for the media to tell them what to celebrate.

a reply to: Annee

there was no rigged election.

Did you sleep through those 3am dumps?

Chicken sh!t Liberals are out in force this morning gloating over their scam “victory”

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Annee

there was no rigged election.

Did you sleep through those 3am dumps?

Delusions of conspiracy.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Annee

there was no rigged election.

Did you sleep through those 3am dumps?

Its amazing that these idiots still believe the election was on the level.
You would have to be a complete imbecile to have watched what happened on the day and during the night and still not understand the election was stolen.
Yesterday was just further confirmation that the democrats will do literally anything to seize and maintain power.

originally posted by: UKTruth
There was no Federal Election Campiagn issue - as determined by the Federal Election Committee.
Therefore, there is no possible way that the 10yr old bookkeeping errors were in furtherance to another crime.
That is why the judge and the prosecution had to play down the 'other' crime.
This is a real shame for America , but not unexpected.
Things just got a whole lot worse with this precedent setting sham.

Dems really must hold on to power now by any means necessary because if the Republicans get back in Obama, the Clintons and Bidens are going to be targeted with lawfare.

The 'by any means necessary' is the scary part.
They had to rig the last election, but that could be tame compared to what they will now do.
I can see lots of censorship coming and more people going to jail - like Elon Musk for example.

Good to see you back!

It’s been a real sh!t show here as you know.

We have an entire new subgroup of nutters here now, the “I am not a Democrat” crew.

It’s hard to tell them apart from the rest of the Liberal losers, I think they are one in the same.

originally posted by: RazorV66
Chicken sh!t Liberals are out in force this morning gloating over their scam “victory”

Also a lot of non Americans here too, from the UK and pro Zelensky supporters etc.

They think if Biden wins again that somehow Zelensky has a chance.

What they don’t realize, is that Biden is actually being the useful idiot here and helping Russia demilitarize UA forces down to a pulp.

They don’t care about the U.S.

In fact I think they’re trying to knock 2 birds with one stone, by supporting destabilization both in the U.S. and abroad.

Trying to double down on Trump supporters, and poke the bear overseas. Idiots.

They’re playing with fire.