The verdict is in.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: pianopraze

Nope, but house arrest and an ankle tag might be on the horizon.

And it's not what i think that counts.

Its in the judge's claws now.

And he loves Donald.

Any win’s a win, right?

Even as they destroy our country.

Donald trump is just one guy. He isn't the country.

Trump is the only guy that can't be controlled, has enough money to withstand the onslaught and the balls to see it through.

Why, if he is a multi-billionaire, does Trump require everybody else to pay his legal fees?

Surely he could keep the campaign fees for his campaign, and just pay the other stuff out of pocket?

Seems he does not make the distinction between public money and his own.

Trump is the only one willing to say he will deport every last illegal who has entered this country and finish the wall,

He had 4 years to build a significant portion of the wall and still hardly any of the border has a wall.

How could the alleged millions of illegals be entering the country if there really was a wall, or if the wall was an effective way of stopping them?

the rest of the non rino republicans fall in line behind Trump but are not nearly strong enought to lead on that issue like Trump does.

Members of the Republican Party are Republicans.

Trump just calls anyone he doesn't like, RINO's. It doesn't mean their political allegiances and ideologies have changed.

Trump makes other countries pay up or walk.

So far, he hasn't got any other country to pay up anything.

Trump brings in the investors

From where? Trump tried to get big companies to stop off-shoring their investment, and was mostly unsuccessful, but he could only get Americans to invest in America, and he tried to block overseas ownership, so, no change in investment at all.

, jobs,

The economy lost 2.9 million jobs, which was significantly more than any other administration.

cuts taxes

Yup, he cut taxes, which pushed the national debt into the stratosphere. America can no longer service its debts and probably can never recover, he's done America in.

and makes peace while making our military stronger.

Trump repeatedly denigrated the US Military.

Also: Trump Administration Diverts $3.8 Billion In Pentagon Funding To Border Wall

I could go on but you get the idea, before the covid bio attack on our country there was no stopping Trump. That's why Amaicans support Trump. We want another term of Trump and the deep state doesn't.

The COVID-19 pandemic affected every country in the world. It wasn't an attack upon the USA. The USA just happened to be one of the worst at dealing with the pandemic, and probably because Trump.

The deep state are Americans, too. As is the entire US government. So are the majority of patriotic US citizens who also don't like Trump.

EXCLUSIVE: Roger Stone Responds To Trump Conviction In New York Show Trial

Roger Stone has been dragged through these courts too. 20 min interview on the Alex Jones show.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: pianopraze

Nope, but house arrest and an ankle tag might be on the horizon.

And it's not what i think that counts.

Its in the judge's claws now.

And he loves Donald.

Any win’s a win, right?

Even as they destroy our country.

Donald trump is just one guy. He isn't the country.

Trump is the only guy that can't be controlled, has enough money to withstand the onslaught and the balls to see it through.

The COVID-19 pandemic affected every country in the world. It wasn't an attack upon the USA. The USA just happened to be one of the worst at dealing with the pandemic, and probably because Trump.

The deep state are Americans, too. As is the entire US government. So are the majority of patriotic US citizens who also don't like Trump.

Well, within a month the pandemic went bye bye when the medias attention was diverted to the influx of Ukrainians storming airports everywhere and went full blown “Ukrainian flags” on social media.

Which, as expected went poof as well.

Then later Israel/gaza pants got switched on.

originally posted by: Vermilion

So no more gag order correct?
This next Trump speech is going to be 🔥
Get your popcorn ready.

Gag order is still in effect. Doesnt get lifted until after sentencing in July. IF even then, who know he may find himself into more charges by then.

originally posted by: Mahogani
Unanimous guilty verdict on all 34 counts.

Let's overturn the verdict to please the Trump supporters. That sounds more American and patriotic!

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Guilty on all counts.

Like I've said, Trump's a criminal.

Now, will you stand by your man? I'm betting yes. And remember, that says more about you than Trump.

Guilty on all counts.

Wait... How dare the jury find him guilty! That's antiamerican and anti-patriotic. He's running for president how can he be guilty?

These damn communists have destroyed the country.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Biased judge. Biased jury. Biased prosecutor.

There could have been no other outcome.

Disgusting.

Everyone is biased when the result is not what we want. Human psychology 101

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: JadedGhost

Before you celebrate political persecution, remember it can go both ways. This case will set precedence for future trials.

Good.

The world doesn't need criminals in control.

We should legally purge every last one from office, in perpetuity.

Criminals just proved criminals are in control of our country.

Congratulations.

He was found guilty, of all charges, by a 12 person jury that he and his defence team participated in the selection of. There was even a delay when they contested the first jury selection, which the judge allowed.

But, aside from that, I don't believe that even the most ardent pro-Trumpers believe that he didn't pay to quash bad publicity.

He has claimed in his defence that everyone is lying, but the foundation of his defence is that he didn't do anything of what we all know he did. He even stated it again (several times) outside the court after the verdict had been given. That is so obviously untrue.

He paid sums of money to hush up things that would be potentially damaging to his campaign, during campaigning, and then directed others to hide those payments.

When the details of those payments came out, he then lied directly and said he didn't know anything about them, but there is hard evidence and testimony that he did and in fact gave direction for his employees to both make the payments, and to cover up the payments and he also provided the money to make those payments.

He is guilty of all charges, not because of some giant conspiracy involving everyone on the prosecution side, and all Democrats, and Joe Biden, but because he is guilty. Those charges were brought because of events that were known publicly before the charges were laid.

You don’t have to convince me.

We’re a damn Bananna Republic now.

This once used to be the definition of a banana republic:

"A banana republic is a politically unstable country whose economy depends on the export of one product in limited supply, such as agricultural products like bananas or minerals. A banana republic has social classes that are divided by wealth. These include a large, poor working class and a small ruling class (elite) made up of the businessmen, politicians, and the military. The ruling class controls and exploits the country's economy.

However, the definitions have changed over time to include the following:

- Widespread government corruption
- Tyrannical government
- Unstable government
- Civil unrest
- Coup attempts/insurgency
- Economic dependency on exporting a limited natural resource (which may or may not be bananas)
- Infrastructure owned/supported by out-of-country interests
- Overall economic dependency on foreign investment or business entities
- Widespread poverty
- Significant stratification of social classes
- Enormous gap between the haves and have nots
- Lack of a middle class

Even now, with the new definition, the USA does not meet all the qualifications of a banana republic.

Tomorrow, the sun will rise, and for the vast majority of US citizens, the day will be remarkably similar to all the days leading up to the charges being laid. No difference at all.

Well yeehaw for us, the USA doesn't have to meet ALL the definitions to qualify as a banana republic to be a banana republic. In fact, only one definition is enough to indicate a country is acting as a banana republic.

It also depends on whose dictionary one uses. And according to Dictionary.com:

any exploitative government that functions poorly for its citizenry while disproportionately benefiting a corrupt elite group or individual.

Let's see,

Open borders letting in millions of illegal immigrants.
Spending millions upon millions of dollars to care for said illegal immigrants while American citizens suffer from neglect due to massive drug abuse, homelessness, lack of local business to meet demands of consumers and overall a compromised quality of life.
Spending Billions of dollars on college debt while so many are drowning in medical debt.
Forced vaccines.
Pandemic shut ins and shut downs.
Inflation at a 40 year high.
Destroyed our energy independence.
Financial support of foreign wars.
Corruption of government and supporting agencies.
Prohibition in choices of consumer goods.
Historic decline in educational test scores.
Putting Americans and America last.


If it looks like a duck banana republic .......

So, there you have it. One banana republic.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: JadedGhost

Before you celebrate political persecution, remember it can go both ways. This case will set precedence for future trials.

Good.

The world doesn't need criminals in control.

We should legally purge every last one from office, in perpetuity.

Well said chr0naut.
The world doesn't need the likes of Trump and Biden.

It's amusing people are standing for Trump when they reject Biden with all their heart as if Trump is some sort of a Messiah.

a reply to: StoutBroux

You have realised all these now or is it because Trump was found guilty on all counts? Are you trying to say you have a banana Republic so the verdict can't be true.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Lazy88

If you have an issue with how New York's law is written, bring it up with the New York legislature. If you have an issue with how its been litigated, bring it up with the years of precedent that have been set since its passage.

That’s not addressing what I posed.

Is it false Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty by a jury. So how can crimes one is presumed to be innocent in be used to bump something to a felony.

I asked what law Trump was found guilty of committing and trying to hide to bump the misdemeanor to a felony.

Listing paying a lawyer for obtaining a NDA as a legal fee is a crime? And what is the crime Trump was complicit in hiding and guilty of to bumping this $hit show to 34 counts of felonies.

I'll explain if you actually care to know.

The jury had to unanimously agree that he committed falsification of business records. That entails that he intentionally and knowingly did it.

They unanimously agreed on that. 34 counts of it.

Now.. what makes the falsification if business records a felony is if it were done aid or cover up another crime. It doesnt matter which crime. The crime could be literally any felony.

All that matters to those specific charges is "do you as a juror believe he falsified those records in furtherance of another crime, any crime.. because if so.. it's a felony"

He doesn't have to be charged with that crime, because the jurors get to make an inference. Which is completely legal and within the scope of "Reasonable Doubt"

2 of the potential OTHER crimes they provided evidence of:

- Election fraud. The payment made to Stormi, was made to help the campaign. That was the point. This makes it a campaign contribution by Cohen accepted by Trump. A campaign contribution that wasnt reported as such. This is then an illegal campaign contribution. The repayment was then made to cover it up. It was falsely listed as legal fees instead of a campaign contribution to avoid a charge. This is conspiracy. All this together ia election fraud a felony crime.

-Tax evasion. Trump grossed up his repayments to Cohen so he could cover and avoid the tax penalties. He also didn't report the contribution, or... Either way, taxes avoided,.a felony crime.


For the purpose of determining whether the falsification of records were aiding another crime, they don't have to agree on which crime and charge that, thats not the question at hand, they simply have to agree on the notion that it was aiding anither crime.

Glenn Kershner said it best. If a group of 3 people break into a home without permission, 1 steals something, 1 sets fire to the living room for revenge on the person, and the last one did it to cook meth in the basement...

You can charge them all with burglary, because its the act of breaking and entering to commit another crime. Ti get the burglary charge the jurors can each have their own theory on which secondary crime was the true motive,.l that matters is that wa h juror agrees there was more than just breaking and entering.

originally posted by: boatguy12
a reply to: JadedGhost

But no one can state what crime did he commit?

Falsifying business records to cover up illegal unrecorded campaign contributions.

Election Fraud

originally posted by: LucidParadox89

originally posted by: boatguy12
a reply to: JadedGhost

But no one can state what crime did he commit?

Falsifying business records to cover up illegal unrecorded campaign contributions.

Election Fraud

People who obviously support Trump will be defiant arguing there is no way the Messiah is guilty as charged. It's all a conspiracy by the damn communists who have taken over the country.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: Mahogani

My question would be, regarding sentencing, could the Judge offer Trump a "lighter" sentence in return for Trump conceding to drop out of the Presidential race?

With his "untouchable" mojo busted, would Trump consider withdrawing in return for his (relative) freedom?

I don't think he can do that. I think he'll be banned from doing business in New York and that he'll be hit with considerable financial penalties (again.) I don't think he'll see jail time -- he may get house arrest after the election (and the appeals) are over.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: Mahogani

My question would be, regarding sentencing, could the Judge offer Trump a "lighter" sentence in return for Trump conceding to drop out of the Presidential race?

With his "untouchable" mojo busted, would Trump consider withdrawing in return for his (relative) freedom?

I don't think he can do that. I think he'll be banned from doing business in New York and that he'll be hit with considerable financial penalties (again.) I don't think he'll see jail time -- he may get house arrest after the election (and the appeals) are over.

Which seems fair to me.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: Mahogani

My question would be, regarding sentencing, could the Judge offer Trump a "lighter" sentence in return for Trump conceding to drop out of the Presidential race?

With his "untouchable" mojo busted, would Trump consider withdrawing in return for his (relative) freedom?

I don't think he can do that. I think he'll be banned from doing business in New York and that he'll be hit with considerable financial penalties (again.) I don't think he'll see jail time -- he may get house arrest after the election (and the appeals) are over.

I think prison is on the table specifically due to the 10x criminal contempt charges. With 10 instances of contempt, PLUS 34 guilty counts with a 4 year max..

I could see the judge sentencing him to 30 days in jail, and 3 years of probation He could be in jail as soon as August or September.

The reason being is that the judge has to provide a deterrance, especially in a Hallmark case like this.

If its a slap on the wrist it wont stop other people from doing it, or from Trump doing it again.

So this is a felony... I know over there that felons can't vote, own guns etc, does this mean he can't stand for election?

a reply to: LucidParadox89

Falsifying business records to cover up illegal unrecorded campaign contributions. Election Fraud

When the former head of the Federal Election Commission was not allowed to provide evidence on this. Court Fraud.

a reply to: SprocketUK

does this mean he can't stand for election?

That has been the plan in trying to get a felony charge on him.