America 2005 is Germany 1930

Europe is in charge?....lol Whether you like to admit it or not we are the most powerful nation on earth. You don't see threads on here bashing other countries. Why is this? Is no other country making mistakes? No, its because everyone dislikes the man in charge and right now that us. It may not be this way forever but thats the case right now.

Originally posted by subcane
Europe is in charge?

No one is in charge.....Its chaos...

....lol Whether you like to admit it or not we are the most powerful nation on earth. You don't see threads on here bashing other countries. Why is this? Is no other country making mistakes? No, its because everyone dislikes the man in charge and right now that us. It may not be this way forever but thats the case right now.

So your powerful, that doesnt mean much.
It means you can exercise that power ONLY when there is a threat, I mean its unlikely the US will attack europe since america and europe are not enemies and are both democracy's.

I see many threads bashing other countries, if you dont mabye you recheck your eyesights.
Every country makes mistakes.

I never said the US and Europe would be at war with each other. I like to think of Europe as an ally especially Britian. Sometimes though, it would help if countries like France would just remain quiet than to speak out about issues they would never have the audacity to handle. However, please don't try to tell me there are even close to the amount of post about other countries as the US. You can not refute this.

Originally posted by subcane
I never said the US and Europe would be at war with each other. I like to think of Europe as an ally especially Britian. Sometimes though, it would help if countries like France would just remain quiet than to speak out about issues they would never have the audacity to handle.

No, you said america was powerful, but america is also powerless to attack if there is no resonable explanation for it.
France does not report to the US , therefore is soverign and has every right to speak out about what ever they want.

However, please don't try to tell me there are even close to the amount of post about other countries as the US. You can not refute this.

That is completely diffrent from what you implied, the number of threads is not being discussed but instead if they exist or not.

To the guy with the Che Guerva pic, please know that he lead an old man out of a village and beat him to death with a steel rod. And you call us facists?

Like the other guy said, we need strong concrete facts. In Nazi Germany, you had specific reports, like there was a book burning in Berlin on such and such a date, or Mr. Schwartz's store was broken in during Crystalknacht. So far we have very murky evidence. We'll let's go:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
You had celebrities saying enough of the patriotism after 9/11, A majority DON'T follow them, but you did have a large portion of Americans saying right on. Ed Harris, Martin Sheen, Jeannene Garrafalo, were big lower the rhetoric guys after 9/11. You have popular figures like Ward Churchill, Noam Chomsky, and Michael Moore saying America is corrupt. Yet they are still free and are making tons of money off of it.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Are you kidding me? We have more civil rights than anywhere in the world! You have the ACLU trying to get a NAMBLA child murder off the hook. Even the al Qaeda fighters in Gitmo are living better than they've ever been. You can't say that given the lethal injection to John Malvo, a killer of over a dozen people, is torture and immoral?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
The press refuses to call terrorists terrorists. They refer to them as hijackers, insurgents, freedom fighters, THE REVOULUTION! but never terrorists. The only people called terrorists are LA cops that shot at a armed drug dealer trying to run them over.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
The number one budget item are Great Society programs, welfare and social security. The military gets very little funding. As far as glamorizing the military, Abu Gharib anyone? We are occupiers, not liberators promoted by Ted Kennedy in the Senate?

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Hillary Clinton or Condoleeza Rice? Oppostion to abortion is not sexism either. Some feminist say that abortion let's men off easy and promotes men to abuse women. Also the Supreme Court ruled that there is a right to homosexual sodomy in the constituiton. So you are way off there.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
You have no facts here. Dan Rather anyone? How about the current Newsweek story. Abu Gharib is out in the open. You have Richard Clarke and Paul Oneal writing books. Every watched the evening news? Tom Brokaw ran a segment about the Bush draft before the election based on a spam email. Everytime you turn on nightline, you get a deluge of CIA Agents just saying WRONG WAR, WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME. Jon Stewart (the most pop news anchor for young people) is always pushing the same idea of the facists are taking over. Sat. Night Live always starts off with Iraq is a Mess or Bush is an idiot.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Okay, you had Code Pink making fun of the terror alerts. And what are we motivating? Where are we going with the terror threats?
Also Far. 9/11 came out saying the same thing. A lot of people believe it despite its outright lies.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
You are way off here. Nazi Germany hated religion. Also we have a huge secular movement here. Remember when police removed the ten commandments from a courtroom here in the US? Or Terry Schiavo?

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
The SEC has sent Enron, WorldComm, Martha Stewart and the Adelphia guys to prision. They crack down and impose huge healthcare, enviromental, and tax regulations. The FCC has been very unfriendly to big business.
The only way we promote coporations is by protecting property rights (not letting You form a mob to steal the rich person's TV) and intellectual property, like a patent's office.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
Wrong again. The Nazis had huge support from the labor Unions. Also the Unions force workers into paying dues, which they use to promote their own interests despite what the workers want.
The AARP has commercials running all the time against Soc. Security reform. AFSCME said private accounts are bad, depsite the fact that their members don't pay soc. sec. (same with the NEA). And how is Bush suppresing Unions? By changing a minute overtime rule?

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Who's being arrested? Sami al Aryian? I think that would have something to do with him raising money for Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
Also, look at Ward Churchill, Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, and a lot others. They are grading students on politics instead of academics. Remember those pictures of Bush groping Condoleeza?
I guess you must considered denying taxpayer money to a guy who pisses in a cup and puts an upside down cross in it oppression.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
ACLU fights police abuses, even if they are not there they would make them up. If you are talking about the Patriotic Act, please tell me the last specific time it was used.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Excuse me but corruption is everywhere in any government. Look at Bill Clinton. He made millions off the presidency. Every makes tons of money by being in the spotlight. Here we have much less than in Cuba or Mexico, but it will always be part of it. It's human nature.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Sham. Please provide proof. Assanianation? What? And for smear campaigns, they happen on both sides. Look at Kitty Kelly, Paul Begala, Michael Moore, and so on.
As far as the judicieries, we followed the rule of law and had a peaceful exchange of power. It was a close election and Al Gore agreed. He stepped down voluntary instead of dragging the US through the mud (which you would delight in) and he should be applauded for it.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by lukethedrifter]

America is not powerless to attack. If they consider it a just reason that is good enough. They do not need the permission of the world, especially spineless countries like France and the like. Like I said, throughout history countries rise and fall, right now it is America's turn. Until they are knocked off their pedestal it is up to them to decide what is right and wrong. In the future it could be another countries turn.

Originally posted by subcane
America is not powerless to attack. If they consider it a just reason that is good enough. They do not need the permission of the world, especially spineless countries like France and the like.

America is powerless to attack if they lack a reason, do you really think the US public would let the government just attack any country ?
Also France is not spinless, they have been our enemy and ally many a time and they are not spineless.

Like I said, throughout history countries rise and fall, right now it is America's turn. Until they are knocked off their pedestal it is up to them to decide what is right and wrong. In the future it could be another countries turn.

What?
America doesnt decide what is "right and wrong", jeez talk about superiority complex.

Whether you want to admit or not, the dominant country or state always takes the lead in the world and at the very least throws its weight around enough to ensure its survival. This is what I mean by right and wrong. Right and wrong for the powerful country.

Originally posted by subcane
Whether you want to admit or not, the dominant country or state always takes the lead in the world and at the very least throws its weight around enough to ensure its survival.

Dominant?
Lead the world?
The last time you threw your weight around was in iraq, and that was hardly a fair fight.

This is what I mean by right and wrong. Right and wrong for the powerful country.

Mate your dribling on....

yeah the guy above is right. France is doing a lot in the War on Terror, especially in NE Africa and Chad.

Originally posted by devilwasp
The last time you threw your weight around was in iraq, and that was hardly a fair fight.

Let us review: IRaq is not only conflict US is involved in. Current US campaigns include solving the possible nuclear threat of Iran and North Korea, trying to feed the rest of the world's starving people (but not our own, who loves ya!), we recently settled a conflict in Europe with Milosovich, we keep and maintain military bases through out the world (including Cuba). You Scotts have an ass backward understanding that US vs Iraq was a weak fight? WHo is Russia fighting? Chechnya, about the size of New Jersey, and landlocked might I add. UK? Uh, they followed us into Iraq? Japan? Do they have a military? China? Oppressing Buddhist monks is way stronger than stopping suicide bombers and guys with RPGs.

I suppose if we attacked anyone but Iraq it would have been a fair fight? Of course, most people don't understand why we are there in the first place.

Originally posted by Frosty
Let us review: IRaq is not only conflict US is involved in. Current US campaigns include solving the possible nuclear threat of Iran and North Korea, trying to feed the rest of the world's starving people (but not our own, who loves ya!), we recently settled a conflict in Europe with Milosovich, we keep and maintain military bases through out the world (including Cuba).

That was several years ago when the NATO force went in, BTW british troops where the first there.
Korea hasnt had a war in it since 1950's which we where also involved in.
Since when was feeding the world a military campeign or can be called "throwing your weight around".

You Scotts have an ass backward understanding that US vs Iraq was a weak fight?

Firstly the US didnt win on its own it supplied 3/4th of the task force.
Secomndly did the iraqi's have anything near to of the line kit?

WHo is Russia fighting? Chechnya, about the size of New Jersey, and landlocked might I add.

They are fighting a guirrlia war, your going no where with this.

UK? Uh, they followed us into Iraq?

Yeah your point is?

Japan? Do they have a military?

Yes a very well trained one.

China? Oppressing Buddhist monks is way stronger than stopping suicide bombers and guys with RPGs.

They make your top of the line airliners, they have quite a strong army cough understatement, a brown water navy and the worlds largest airforce.

I suppose if we attacked anyone but Iraq it would have been a fair fight?

Haveing 141 countries attack one country under the pretence of defending the region and world is hardly "fair".

Of course, most people don't understand why we are there in the first place.

Yes we're there to stop these weapons of mass destruction that can be launched in 45 minutes and hit me, that funnily dont exist...

Why are you so stuck on America fighting "fair". The world is not fair and the art of war is to create an unfair advantage for one side. It would be stupid for any country to try to fight your defintion of "fair". At this point like the previous poster said there is no country to fight your version of "fair".

Originally posted by subcane
Why are you so stuck on America fighting "fair". The world is not fair and the art of war is to create an unfair advantage for one side. It would be stupid for any country to try to fight your defintion of "fair". At this point like the previous poster said there is no country to fight your version of "fair".

In that case I guess those hijackers flying 747's into the Twin Towers on 911 were not cowardly after all. Game on? Or is just a case of "It's ok when it's us"?



[edit on 19-5-2005 by cargo]

No them flying planes into the buildings wasn't fair. Thats how the world works, your not supposed to be fair to win. The only problem is America has the power to make them pay. They have no such power over us. An operation they planned for years and cost tons of money killed what? 2000 people. We could wipe them clean in 10 minutes.

Subcane,

"We could wipe them clean in 10 mins"

So how come almost 4 years later OBL is still unaccounted for?

How come 2 years later there is still a thriving insurgency campaign in Iraq?

Stop making statements that have no basis in fact or reality.

Cheers

BHR

Originally posted by subcane
Why are you so stuck on America fighting "fair". The world is not fair and the art of war is to create an unfair advantage for one side. It would be stupid for any country to try to fight your defintion of "fair". At this point like the previous poster said there is no country to fight your version of "fair".

I was pointing out the last time the good old US of A "flexed" its muscles , it was against a third world country, with the help of over 48 countries.

Devil,

To what are you referring?

Cheers?

BHR

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Devil,
To what are you referring?

I was reffering that america is rather powerless and powerful at the same time.

Devil,

Sorry kid, I was asking about the 48 countries fighting with the US.

Cheers

BHR