Bring back national service if Tories win election

a reply to: Freeborn

I think it would be beneficial to those from more privileged upbringings to mix with those less fortunate than themselves in such an environment.

A lot of positive aspects that could come from the scheme.

Then again along with those come the negatives.

If it's done correctly it could be beneficial to youth development and bestow some life skills.

But on the flip side of that it could also a punishment of sorts for the children of the downtrodden and those that exist in poverty.

Now considering who proposed the notion I'm apt to ponder whether there is a hidden agenda in there somewhere with nefarious implications just under the surface of the proposal in question.

a reply to: andy06shake

This policy seems to be falling apart already.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

If it's votes he was after and trying to garner from the likes of undecided voters.

I'm apt to ponder he would catch more flies proposing the likes of legalisation of cannabis.

As opposed to the implementation of national service.

a reply to: andy06shake

The only way he'd get my vote would be free beer.

Kids today !

The president of the Birmingham Young Conservatives has defected to the Lib Dems in the wake of the Tories' national service announcement.
news.sky.com...

So because of something that isn't going to happen the leader of Birmingham's "Young Conservatives" has defected to the Lib Dems ? , personally I think that shows us just how far the Conservatives have shifted to the Left if he was the President of the Young Conservatives in Birmingham.

Bye Bye , don't let the door hit your stupid arse on the way out sunshine.

Lib Dems......

a reply to: gortex

Talk about jumping team or changing colours.

I dont think anybody wants such fickle feeble-minded people no matter the side.

I hope they make him stand in the corner and face the wall.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: BedevereTheWise


Today in things that won't happen we discuss ....

if Tories win election

At this point Sunak can promise anything without fear of having to implement it , I agree National Service should be a thing in this period of instability and the benefits of teaching young men how to be men would pay dividends when it comes to youth unemployment and anti-social behaviour , give them a trade then set them free until they're possible needed to defend our country.

Does the military, NHS or charities want a bunch of 18 year olds who don't want to be there?

I think the idea of shorter term military contracts has some benefit but not if compulsory.

Short compulsory terms only work for countries who deal with constant threat. Otherwise you’re just paying for a higher than average military turn over.

On top of that, the forced volunteer work would likely be more of negative to those organizations. I’m sure they’re hard enough to run without young kids forced to be there for free.

I could humor a system where college is free, but if you go for free you need to do something in the public sector for two years and get paid. I don’t think there would be as much resentment in that, and I do think everyone involved could benefit.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: BedevereTheWise


Today in things that won't happen we discuss ....

if Tories win election

At this point Sunak can promise anything without fear of having to implement it , I agree National Service should be a thing in this period of instability and the benefits of teaching young men how to be men would pay dividends when it comes to youth unemployment and anti-social behaviour , give them a trade then set them free until they're possible needed to defend our country.

Does the military, NHS or charities want a bunch of 18 year olds who don't want to be there?

I think the idea of shorter term military contracts has some benefit but not if compulsory.

Short compulsory terms only work for countries who deal with constant threat. Otherwise you’re just paying for a higher than average military turn over.

On top of that, the forced volunteer work would likely be more of negative to those organizations. I’m sure they’re hard enough to run without young kids forced to be there for free.

I could humor a system where college is free, but if you go for free you need to do something in the public sector for two years and get paid. I don’t think there would be as much resentment in that, and I do think everyone involved could benefit.

I think access to further education should be based on ability not wealth anyway but that is another topic.

Other than that I agree that schemes such as funding towards further education or training could be a good of incentivising young people to do some kind of service.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

I think access to further education should be based on ability not wealth anyway but that is another topic.

The problem there is that wealth can buy children a better education of the primary and secondary sorts before territory education becomes a thing.

Hence ability can be taught or rather instilled over time, under the correct circumstances, and environment.

College and University education used to be free, to a degree, in the UK before it became big business and a multinational affair where they are more interested in foreign students than they are people from UK imho.

Its all about image and inclusiveness as opposed to actual merit.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

I think access to further education should be based on ability not wealth anyway but that is another topic.

The problem there is that wealth can buy children a better education of the primary and secondary sorts before territory education becomes a thing.

Hence ability can be taught or rather instilled over time, under the correct circumstances, and environment.

College and University education used to be free, to a degree, in the UK before it became big business and a multinational affair where they are more interested in foreign students than they are people from UK imho.

Its all about image and inclusiveness as opposed to actual merit.

Wealth always brings advantages but there things we can do to help level the playing field

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Like a free tertiary education for instance.

Without the massive debt and student loans that come hand in hand with such.

That would certainly help level the playing field for some.

They should need to put the work back in through.

At least for a few years in the UK after attaining a degree.

And simply not be able to cut and run.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: BedevereTheWise


Today in things that won't happen we discuss ....

if Tories win election

Spot on, Sunak is the proverbial 'Dead man Walking'. The damage Liz Truss did to the economy was the last straw for most as it created a massive cost of living crisis and because the party didn't believe in 'Trussonomics' she was ousted very quickly after. Sunak has come in and to be fair has helped steady the ship somewhat but it is too little too late for a vast majority of voters.
This should be a landslide for Labour in the upcoming election but, Starmer really is a charmless nerk* and people will still not vote for him in droves. So it will likely be a slim majority for Labour or a coalition (And we know how well they work)

As for national Service, I think unemployed 18-20 year olds to be pushed into military service for a short time would not do them any harm. Hell they could be in and learn a trade whilst serving their country.

The biggest issues facing our country at the moment IMO
1, The decline of disposable income due
2, Mass Uncontrolled Immigration
3, Health Services - It is like playing the lottery to get an appointment with your own GP (Doctor)


*Charmless Nerk - A charmless Fool, taken from the British TV show Porridge with the legend that was Ronnie Barker

a reply to: Bilbous72

Good idea.

Truss was outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.

Starmer was a useless head of the CPS ie the Can't Prosecute Service.

a reply to: Bilbous72

but, Starmer really is a charmless nerk* and people will still not vote for him in droves.

He sounds like a Dalek on Prozac.

Ile still vote Labour to get rid of Sunak his ilk and 14 years of their self-serving nonsense.

a reply to: andy06shake

I may hold my nose and do the same. At least he's halfway electable, unlike Corbyn.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yeah his IRA rhetoric made him unelectable.

Just would not sit right in anyone's tummy old enough to remember pubs and hotels exploding.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Bilbous72

Good idea.

Truss was outlasted by a lettuce 🥬.

Starmer was a useless head of the CPS ie the Can't Prosecute Service.

Old Jimmy was happy with that

Starmer constantly flip flops on issues depending on what he thinks is the best stance to have for votes.

Not sure who I will vote for but I am in a city where it really doesn't matter as we tend to blindly vote labour despite years of misrule of the local council. Then they all moan about what a bad job they are doing.... but come local elections we vote them right back in. #Madness

a reply to: andy06shake

And that loathsome toad McDonnell praising the IRA for their "Bullets and bombs". He also tried to claim credit for the Easter Peace deal when he had nothing to do with it and actually opposed it.

If you would care to look at the wording set out in the Tory manifest the policy words are " to see 18 year olds forced to either sign up for the military or cyber defence force or undertake community volunteering work". The operative word there being FORCED.
Now all you people think that this national service wont involve fighting, think again. It will be the same as national service before the 1960s ie. You've done the training, you can fight. Even years after they can be called up with the same reasoning.
I know and you know it's a blatant "don't vote for the Tories". The vast majority of 18 year old do not want this, SO. It's just like saying "vote for me and I'll guarantee to bash your brains out with a sledge hammer", now who will you vote for.

a reply to: crayzeed

Do you have the source? What you quote says there is a choice and hence no one is forced to military service.

Read your own words?