Spain, Ireland, and other Europeans Countries to Recognise Palestinian State

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

In the west, we have a responsibility to relentlessly point out the difference between Hamas and Palestine.

Tell that to Egypt, Denmark, Lebanon, Jordan and Kuwait. The Muslim brotherhood is deeply rooted with the Palestinians
They’ve tried to kill two Egyptian presidents, Nasser and Sadat succeeded in killing Anwar, took up arms against the people of Kuwait whom were giving them refuge at the time, they tried to overthrow the Jordan gov not once but twice, Palestinian refugees established terror cells in Lebanon, including Hezbollah. Bottom line is they’ve been horrible people everywhere they’ve been which is why none of the Arab countries will accept them as refugees. They know their history and it’s not good in any way shape or form. They’re not the innocent people you may think they are. I’m sure some are good but for the most part, nah. They’ve a deep rooted history as terrorist.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Rovercon

You may want to consider what was offered to the Palestinians before coming to your conclusions. Point of the thread is the widespread support for a free Palestinian State.

Maybe they want some of there land back that has been taken away over the last fifty years in increments...

…and maybe Israel just wants to be left the f alone and live in peace? Arabs control and posses 99.6% of all the land in the ME, Israel has 0.4%. Maybe we should just nuke Israel for ya and be done with them? Sounds like a plan you’d agree with, after all that’s what the Palestinians want, they’ve continuously refused a two state proposal and have never stopped bombing Israel so just what the hell do you want Israel to do? Where should we move Israel so all you sympathizers are happy?

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Rovercon

You may want to consider what was offered to the Palestinians before coming to your conclusions. Point of the thread is the widespread support for a free Palestinian State.

Maybe they want some of there land back that has been taken away over the last fifty years in increments...

…and maybe Israel just wants to be left the f alone and live in peace? Arabs control and posses 99.6% of all the land in the ME, Israel has 0.4%. Maybe we should just nuke Israel for ya and be done with them? Sounds like a plan you’d agree with, after all that’s what the Palestinians want, they’ve continuously refused a two state proposal and have never stopped bombing Israel so just what the hell do you want Israel to do? Where should we move Israel so all you sympathizers are happy?

Israel only took over the West Bank and Gaza after wars that were started by others. The land they kept, was won through wars started by Palestinians.

Israel defends itself from these attacks.

In 2014, Palestinians were basically given Gaza when Israel pulled out and let the gazans rule themselves.

They chose Hamas to lead them.

And, as you stated, they have constantly refused the 2 state solution Israel has offered many times...
Including 2014 when they left Gaza.

What is it 44 said?

Elections have consequences.

Well, they elected Hamas, whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel and Jews.

And the consequences?

Civilian deaths bc Hamas are cowards and hide behind civilians.

(Isn't that against the Geneva Convention?)

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Rovercon

You may want to consider what was offered to the Palestinians before coming to your conclusions. Point of the thread is the widespread support for a free Palestinian State.

Maybe they want some of there land back that has been taken away over the last fifty years in increments...

…and maybe Israel just wants to be left the f alone and live in peace? Arabs control and posses 99.6% of all the land in the ME, Israel has 0.4%. Maybe we should just nuke Israel for ya and be done with them? Sounds like a plan you’d agree with, after all that’s what the Palestinians want, they’ve continuously refused a two state proposal and have never stopped bombing Israel so just what the hell do you want Israel to do? Where should we move Israel so all you sympathizers are happy?

Israel only took over the West Bank and Gaza after wars that were started by others. The land they kept, was won through wars started by Palestinians.

Israel defends itself from these attacks.

In 2014, Palestinians were basically given Gaza when Israel pulled out and let the gazans rule themselves.

They chose Hamas to lead them.

And, as you stated, they have constantly refused the 2 state solution Israel has offered many times...
Including 2014 when they left Gaza.

What is it 44 said?

Elections have consequences.

Well, they elected Hamas, whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel and Jews.

And the consequences?

Civilian deaths bc Hamas are cowards and hide behind civilians.

(Isn't that against the Geneva Convention?)

Israelis ended their occupation of Gaza in 2005. They even dug up cemetery’s of their dead and moved them. They handed over the keys. Gaza has had plenty of opportunity to make something of itself in the meantime, they haven’t. More tunnels, more money for the leaders of Hamas, whom have stolen most of the money needed for aid and infrastructure in Gaza. They could have a tourist haven with beachfront property but… nope, better ideas🙄

Alright.... maybe it's just me but I see maybe 2-4 adults clay included trying to actually make progress in solving a very real world problem. The rest of you, are acting like children calling each other doody heads, yet all of you have a firm belief in the strength of what ATS can accomplish. My suggestion is that you all rally behind that belief that in here we are one, put down your swords, stones, and judgement, take a non biased look because the world is filled with human beings who don't deserve harm on either side, and come up with the world changing solutions that I know ATS as a whole is capable of. Lead by example, how do you want the world around you to be?

Ill start with this: Palestine has no navy, no air force, no army. Who or what is standing in the way of their genocide and their children? Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. War and violence is ugly. Let's stick with facts. This conflict has been going on for decades that is a fact. You will not believe the amount of OP Israel's I have witnessed, nor the attacks on the Palestinian people. Let's be constructive with our conversation and not destructive, hmmm?

a reply to: KrustyKrab

…and maybe Israel just wants to be left the f alone and live in peace

If they want to be left in peace. Why did they help create HAMAS. and why do they keep taking more and more land..?

a reply to: Rovercon

Are the People as a Whole of those Countries Recognizining a Palestinian State , or just their NWO WOKE Governments ?

Only the dying Empire countries (US, UK, CA, AUS, some of the EU, balls in a vise Egypt, JP and the "Israeli" Occupying forces) think Hamas are terrorists. It's crazy how they've convinced people in the West that the West is the whole world lol. BRICS+ is going to hit hard.

originally posted by: DashMtn
Only the dying Empire countries (US, UK, CA, AUS, some of the EU, balls in a vise Egypt, JP and the "Israeli" Occupying forces) think Hamas are terrorists. It's crazy how they've convinced people in the West that the West is the whole world lol. BRICS+ is going to hit hard.

Now go look at who says they’re not terrorist, it’s even more telling. I posted it somewhere recently but the countries that say they’re not terrorist are pretty slimy, most all are Arab countries with some commies thrown in. After reading some of your post especially the one saying Israel killed all the music festival goers, it’s obvious you’re not here for any kind of truth, you’re here to spread lies and propaganda, that’s your purpose for whatever reason.

Surprisingly Egypt didn’t claim they’re terrorist, you’re wrong there. Maybe change your sources, they seem to be feeding you lies you believe and parrot.

Good , it's been a long time coming shame they waited until Gaza had been flattened.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: KrustyKrab

…and maybe Israel just wants to be left the f alone and live in peace

If they want to be left in peace. Why did they help create HAMAS. and why do they keep taking more and more land..?

Probably the best description I’ve read as to why below. They were obviously regretful but as stated in article at that point it was to late to turn back. Hamas was more of a socio-political party than it was a military power when it started. Basically Israel saw them as the lesser of two evils between the PLO and Hamas. PLO wanted to see the destruction of Israel and come to find out so did Hamas.

Why Israel helped the creation of Hamas and how it utilised its resources for the purpose? Has Israel by taking brutal action in Gaza strengthened Hamas and how the Palestinian struggle got divided and weakened when Hamas challenged PLO, a secular and nationalist organisation? Formed in 1964, PLO had a clause, in its charter, calling for the destruction of Israel. But when the Oslo process was launched for peace between Israel and PLO, that clause was removed from the Palestinian charter, granting recognition to the Jewish state. Likewise, the Israeli government in late 1980s and early 1990s lifted ban on maintaining contacts with PLO and recognised it when the historic PLO-Israeli accord, mediated by then US President Bill Clinton, signed on September 13, 1993. If PLO recognised Israel, Hamas opposed peace process with the Jewish state and called for the destruction of Israel.

Gaza, which was occupied by Israel as a result of June 1967 Arab-Israeli war, patronised Mujama al-Islamiya which was formed by a Palestinian cleric Sheikh Ahmed Yasin and viewed it as a harmless organisation involved in charity and welfare work for the Palestinian community of Gaza. Mujama al-Islamiya later became Hamas before Intifada-I was launched in December 1987. Israel considered Mujama al-Islamiya and its successor organisation Hamas a lesser evil as compared to PLO and thought that dividing Palestinians will serve the interest of Jewish state. If Israel termed PLO a terrorist organisation and a major threat to its interests, Hamas was also against PLO because of its secular and nationalist outlook. That is how both Hamas and Israel were viewed as natural allies against PLO. But, later on when Hamas in 1988 killed two Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) personnel in Gaza, Israel turned against Hamas but it was too late. Hamas, which earlier labelled itself as a welfare and charity organisation in Gaza and got favors from Israel, changed is tactics and exploited PLO’s peace process with Israel to gain popular support of those Palestinians who were disillusioned with Yasser Arafat’s mending of fences with the Jewish state despite the killing of hundreds of Palestinians in Intifada-I.

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originally posted by: gortex
Good , it's been a long time coming shame they waited until Gaza had been flattened.

Bwaaaaah , all them stars within a few minutes🤣🤣🤣I just can’t no more, pathetic display of whatever. At least you know you have many Jew hating friends that support terrorism and the genocide of Jews like you do, you’re not alone apparently😳

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Bwaaaaah , all them stars within a few minutes🤣🤣🤣I just can’t no more, pathetic display of whatever. At least you know you have many Jew hating friends that support terrorism and the genocide of Jews like you do, you’re not alone apparently😳

Yeah ... it's been going on for a few weeks. REALLY WEIRD. Anti-Jew posts in a couple of threads INSTANTLY get 9-10 stars, within minutes, even when there are only like 9-10 people here. There is zero chance that those few people would all be on the thread same at the same time, all reading the same post, and all agreeing with the same anti-Jew rhetoric.

Somehow someone is loading up the anti-Jew posts with pretty stars.

It's really obvious because the chances that those stars have been showing up authentically are impossible. The math and common sense on how the posting works doesn't support it.

a reply to: Rovercon

The EU likes everyone...even Iran.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

you have many Jew hating friends that support terrorism and the genocide of Jews like you do

Pathetic , sometimes reading your posts is like listening to a child cry when their favourite toy has been taken from them.

a reply to: gortex

Maybe stop being a sympathizer of Jew haters that love the slogan from the river to the sea.🤷‍♂️ You don’t think Israel should be able to defend itself against the Palestinians that want to see the jews exterminated, you’re defending people that were dancing in the streets when 1.3k Jews were brutally murdered, raped, tortured and then dragged through the city streets while the people you’re supporting danced and cheered. I’ve grown tired of hearing people say Israel is trying to genocide a group of people that want to see them wiped off the planet, when that’s not what’s happening, yet, you repeat it over n over. Maybe choose your friends better, because all the socks that support your comments, that’s how they think. Shrugs I don’t want to get banned so I’ll stop there, just a observation gore.

So does that mean anything? Let’s say 100 countries recognize them, would that change anything? I think not…

originally posted by: DashMtn
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The so called 'palestinians' don't even have an established border for their territory. You can't recognize a country that doesn't have established borders. Their genocide chant 'from the river to the sea' means they won't stop with just Gaza and the West Bank. So ... no borders equals no country. That's not 'backwards, racist, or colonial imperialist' ... that's just a logistical fact.