Spain, Ireland, and other Europeans Countries to Recognise Palestinian State

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May 10, 2024

MADRID, May 10 (Reuters) - Spain, Ireland and other European Union member countries plan to recognise a Palestinian state on May 21, the EU's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, said late on Thursday ahead of an expected U.N. vote on Friday on a Palestinian bid to become a full member.

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said in March that Spain and Ireland, along with Slovenia and Malta, had agreed to take the first steps towards recognition of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, seeing a two-state solution as essential for lasting peace.

May 19, 1024

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Ireland to declare Palestinian statehood this month, Simon Harris says

Harris made the comments following reports of a diplomatic row with Israeli President Isaac Herzog over the Government’s plan.

The Taoiseach spoke by phone with Herzog on Friday where he set out Ireland’s desire to see an immediate ceasefire in Gaza as well as “urgent and unhindered access” for humanitarian aid.

And it's about time the first steps are taken so Palestine is eventually recognised as an Independent and Sovereign State just as the Palestinians want and have been fighting over several decades. There is widespread support for the end of the war and the recognition of Palestine as a State and as time passes more and more countries will eventually recognise Palestine from Europe to South America, the middle East and so on.

a reply to: Rovercon

Now we all know the "why" part of all this.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

Now we all know the "why" part of all this.

You can explain the 'why' if you want.

But this is great news as finally many countries all over the world are speaking out against oppression and occupation and want a free, independent anf sovereign state for Palestine.

a reply to: Rovercon

It's it interesting that the two state solution is brought up but the Palestinians have no interest in there being two states? It has been offered several times with Palestinians rejecting the offer each time.

originally posted by: Rovercon

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

Now we all know the "why" part of all this.

You can explain the 'why' if you want.

But this is great news as finally many countries all over the world are speaking out against oppression and occupation and want a free, independent anf sovereign state for Palestine.

OK, it appears that now the reason HAMAS attacked Israel, declared war on them, and hid behind cilivilans in GAZA was to gin up public outcry for the "palestinian" cause, and the lives lost on both sides were a calculated acceptable loss to gain this particular outcome.

I should be shocked and appalled, but evil really doesn't diferentiate when it shows up, it can be anywhere.

I'd love to know what the numbers they expected to loose as opposed to what actually happened. Just to see how good their planning was. Seeing the world played as fools is sad, but seeing how easy it was is even sadder.

Welcome to ATS BTW, good luck here, and remember, don't be that guy. that guy gets banned for being a douche.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: Rovercon

It's it interesting that the two state solution is brought up but the Palestinians have no interest in there being two states? It has been offered several times with Palestinians rejecting the offer each time.

You may want to consider what was offered to the Palestinians before coming to your conclusions. Point of the thread is the widespread support for a free Palestinian State.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Rovercon

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

Now we all know the "why" part of all this.

You can explain the 'why' if you want.

But this is great news as finally many countries all over the world are speaking out against oppression and occupation and want a free, independent anf sovereign state for Palestine.

OK, it appears that now the reason HAMAS attacked Israel, declared war on them, and hid behind cilivilans in GAZA was to gin up public outcry for the "palestinian" cause, and the lives lost on both sides were a calculated acceptable loss to gain this particular outcome.

I should be shocked and appalled, but evil really doesn't diferentiate when it shows up, it can be anywhere.

I'd love to know what the numbers they expected to loose as opposed to what actually happened. Just to see how good their planning was. Seeing the world played as fools is sad, but seeing how easy it was is even sadder.

Welcome to ATS BTW, good luck here, and remember, don't be that guy. that guy gets banned for being a douche.

Palestinians and Israelis have been fighting for a long period of time and Hamas hasn't declared war on Israel. They are already in war and have been for as long as I remember.

Even though nobody agrees with the killings of innocent civilians in both Israel and Palestine.

Around 1,400 dead in Israel (combatants+civilians)
Around 35,000 dead in Gaza(combatants+ civilians)

the war continuous because there is no Palestine State. As long as one is established then the war will be over. The European and other countries have realised this long time ago and they seem the only solution to the problem is to have an independent and free Palestinian State.

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on October 6th, there was a cease fire in place. On October 7th, HAMAS broke that cease fire, thus declaring war on Israel. HAMAS is the elected leadership of GAZA. Rather than spending their money making a beautiful tourist destination or at least a nice place to live, they chose to build tunnles so they could fight wars.

And now, with your contribution, it's clear as to why HAMAS started a war with Israel, as they needed the public to be behind their plight so their could have backing to the two state solution they seem to not have wanted in the past.

I doubt the public will stop to think about the geo-poliitcal aspect of this, being the death of 35000 people to further this cause, but some of us might.

a reply to: network dude

I know what Hamas did and I am highly critical of their actions just like I am highly critical of the actions by Israel especially when the lives of civilians are at stake.

I haven't made any 'contributions' and the article isn't about my opinions and views but about various countries that would like to recognise a Palestinian State after the war ends.

I think as time passes every country will be willing to recognise a Palestinian State, something that should have happened long time ago.

In Europe, middle East, and South America and Africa, there was always support for an Independent Palestinian State and Israel was highly criticised for their policies. It may not be the same as in the US but the world isn't just the US. There are many more countries around.

a reply to: Rovercon

It's a shame folks aren't more critical of putting pressure on HAMAS to surrender to save innocent lives. If the lives are the important factor here as you seem to indicate, it boggles the mind as to why there doesn't seem to be any effort into this aspect of things.

But you don't have to say it, I can see it. you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet. amirite.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

It's a shame folks aren't more critical of putting pressure on HAMAS to surrender to save innocent lives. If the lives are the important factor here as you seem to indicate, it boggles the mind as to why there doesn't seem to be any effort into this aspect of things.

But you don't have to say it, I can see it. you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet. amirite.

People don't see it this way because it's the Palestinians who are under occupation as I said. By surrender means the entire resistance has to surrender to their occupiers. But the resistance is there in the first place for the purpose of liberating Palestine from Israel.

As much as most people don't want civilians to be killed at the same time they want a free and independent Palestine and not an open air concentration camp. So you need to consider who has the right ru defend itself and who the occupier and oppressor is.

a reply to: network dude

Most countries allready recognised Palestine prior to the Hsmas terror attacks and IDF were bombing Gaza and raiding refugee camps for years prior to Oct 7th with an avg 15,000 dead or injured civillians a year.

Protection of Civilians Report | 5-18 September 2023

Hamas are the minority Party in Palestine with Fatah having the overall majority of the Palestinian Authorty.

originally posted by: Rovercon

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

It's a shame folks aren't more critical of putting pressure on HAMAS to surrender to save innocent lives. If the lives are the important factor here as you seem to indicate, it boggles the mind as to why there doesn't seem to be any effort into this aspect of things.

But you don't have to say it, I can see it. you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet. amirite.

People don't see it this way because it's the Palestinians who are under occupation as I said. By surrender means the entire resistance has to surrender to their occupiers. But the resistance is there in the first place for the purpose of liberating Palestine from Israel.

As much as most people don't want civilians to be killed at the same time they want a free and independent Palestine and not an open air concentration camp. So you need to consider who has the right ru defend itself and who the occupier and oppressor is.

I'm not a smart man, but on October 7th, HAMAS attacked Israel. They are the agressor. They started the current conflict. And as you claim, there seem to be no distinction between HAMAS and Palestininans. If they can't surrender in the war they started, they will have to fight in the war they started. It just makes sense. If this is incorrect, explain it please.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: network dude

Most countries allready recognised Palestine prior to the Hsmas terror attacks and IDF were bombing Gaza and raiding refugee camps for years prior to Oct 7th with an avg 15,000 dead or injured civillians a year.

Protection of Civilians Report | 5-18 September 2023

Hamas are the minority Party in Palestine with Fatah having the overall majority of the Palestinian Authorty.

so that justifies October 7th? or does it just explain the tit for tat way things work over there? If HAMAS can get international attention for starting a war, you would think they could have gotten much more internaitonal support for pointing out when Israel did mean things to them unprovoked.

And they could have saved 35,000 lives. Aren't the lives important?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Rovercon

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

It's a shame folks aren't more critical of putting pressure on HAMAS to surrender to save innocent lives. If the lives are the important factor here as you seem to indicate, it boggles the mind as to why there doesn't seem to be any effort into this aspect of things.

But you don't have to say it, I can see it. you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet. amirite.

People don't see it this way because it's the Palestinians who are under occupation as I said. By surrender means the entire resistance has to surrender to their occupiers. But the resistance is there in the first place for the purpose of liberating Palestine from Israel.

As much as most people don't want civilians to be killed at the same time they want a free and independent Palestine and not an open air concentration camp. So you need to consider who has the right ru defend itself and who the occupier and oppressor is.

I'm not a smart man, but on October 7th, HAMAS attacked Israel. They are the agressor. They started the current conflict. And as you claim, there seem to be no distinction between HAMAS and Palestininans. If they can't surrender in the war they started, they will have to fight in the war they started. It just makes sense. If this is incorrect, explain it please.

I think you have confused who the occupier nation is and who the occupier is. Unless you think Israel is under occupation and not Palestine and regardless of whether we agree with the tactics by Hamas.

These mental gymnastics are incredible!

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: network dude

Most countries allready recognised Palestine prior to the Hsmas terror attacks and IDF were bombing Gaza and raiding refugee camps for years prior to Oct 7th with an avg 15,000 dead or injured civillians a year.

Protection of Civilians Report | 5-18 September 2023

Hamas are the minority Party in Palestine with Fatah having the overall majority of the Palestinian Authorty.

so that justifies October 7th? or does it just explain the tit for tat way things work over there? If HAMAS can get international attention for starting a war, you would think they could have gotten much more internaitonal support for pointing out when Israel did mean things to them unprovoked.

And they could have saved 35,000 lives. Aren't the lives important?

We have all agreed that the killing of civilians isn't justified.

Just as the oppression and occupation of an entire nation isn't justified.

Basic common sense.

a reply to: Rovercon

so kill all the joos?

a reply to: Rovercon

Palistanians wanting a free state is exactly my point. They want to wipe out Israel as part of this Palistanian state. They have stated this many times.

Can you explain to me why exactly that none of the surrounding nations in that reagons want any of the Palistanians to enter their countries? They know something you don't.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Rovercon

so kill all the joos?

Strawman

And you know it.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: Rovercon

Palistanians wanting a free state is exactly my point. They want to wipe out Israel as part of this Palistanian state. They have stated this many times.

Can you explain to me why exactly that none of the surrounding nations in that reagons want any of the Palistanians to enter their countries? They know something you don't.

Surrounding countries don't want to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and they are very much in favour of a free Palestinian State.

Basics