Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: WeMustCare

And then Turkey gets pissed off and sides even more in line with Iran? With how many other middle eastern countries on the fence for supporting Isreal. That isn’t in Israel’s best interest.

Right. Israel's best interest is to continue chasing the "body" in Palestine, lay waste to that entire region if need be. Keep the "head" alive and active. Keep the Boogyman propped up so there will be no end to the campaign against terrorism.

Forever wars!

a reply to: FlyersFan

I think they should do those cruise missile strikes as well as what they are doing right now if they want to keep Israel and send a strong message to anyone who thinks they shouldn't exist. You are correct it would force those countries hand to respond but after that dust settles and nothing is gained they might see that's time to accept the fact that they live in a world with other people. As it sits now they do nothing to help the problem in fact by harboring the Hamas terrorists they make the situation worse as they are now aiding and abetting cold blooded murders and that has consequences. It's clear they need to have a good reason to drop their support of Hamas and turn them over to Israel for their crimes, you would think they would just do the right thing but if mutual assured destruction is the only path forward it can still be a pathway to peace.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

Harboring the Hamas terrorists they make the situation worse as they are now aiding and abetting cold blooded murders and that has consequences.

A member of Hamas’ political bureau, Mousa Abu Marzouk, said on 29 April “Qatar was asked to host the Hamas leadership”, “All that is rumored at this time is that we will move to Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and others are a media fabrication to put pressure on the Qataris.”. Abu Marzouk expressed that the problem is due to US intervention that forced Qatar to receive Hamas leadership, adding that if the US stopped its pressure on Doha, the group would return to Jordan as its “natural place.”.

Qatar Ambassador to U.S. Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani claims in an article published on Monday in the Wall Street Journal that "The Hamas political office in Qatar was opened in 2012 after a request from Washington to establish indirect lines of communication with Hamas."

Netanyahu has previously dispatched high officials, such as Mossad chief Yosi Cohen, to Doha “begging the Qataris to keep funneling money into Hamas” as Avigdor Lieberman, the former defense minister has said.

I think Biden and Natanyahu should get their share of consequences.

Sources:
libertarianinstitute.org... netanyahu-implored-qataris-to-continue-funding-hamas-in-2018-letter/
thecradle.co...
en.ammonnews.net...

originally posted by: Katstar
Imagine if Isreal created Hamas, funded Hamas & controls Hamas covertly with the sole intention of killing every single Palestinian just to steal their land while blaming Hamas.

Imagine if people used their brain and remembered that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, that Israel does not control Hamas covertly (absurd), and that if Israel wanted to 'steal' the land of Gaza (which was rightfully Israels because Israel won the war the Arabs waged against them), they never would have given it away in 2005 and not taken it back for 20 years.

DUH.

a reply to: Lazy88
I am saying allowing hamas receive aid is not that different from directly supporting hamas. Netanyahoo is partly responsible for all the bloodshed and should be held accountable.
www.timesofisrael.com...

a reply to: FlyersFan

remembered that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood

Actually that makes matter even worse, let's explore the history of "Muslims Brotherhood"

Dr. John Coleman, a former British Intelligence agent…states in his report on Iran’s Islamic Revolution that the Muslim Brotherhood was created by “the great names of British Middle East intelligence”…and that their mission was to “keep the Middle East backward so that its natural resource, oil, could continue to be looted…”.

US investigative journalist Robert Dreyfus stated that MB was an offensive tool against nationalists and communists, frequently working to support Britain interests, and to spy on left-wing, nationalist and pan-Arab groups. MB’s chief international organizer, Said Ramadan, son-in-law of founder Hassan al-Banna, met with President Eisenhower in the Oval Office in 1954. Dreyfuss speculated that Ramadan had been recruited as a CIA agent. Wall Street Journal reporter Ian Johnson later documented close ties between Ramadan and western intelligence from the 1950s.

British historian and journalist Mark Curtis corroborated that Britain began financing MB in 1940s’ Egypt to strike at secular political parties represented by the ruling Wafd Party. Britain later backed MB efforts to overthrow President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, triggering an unsuccessful war against Egypt by the UK, France and Israel in 1956. Britain maintained secret contacts with MB and continued to do so until after Nasser’s death in 1970. The UK aimed to sow division within the Middle East and impede development of a unified Arab entity. Successive British governments since the 1940s provided support, protection and political asylum to members and leaders of MB, and sabotaged INTERPOL efforts to hunt down MB members wanted by Arab states. MB was a regressive force in service to the project of creative chaos in the Middle East and North Africa.

www.researchgate.net... opaganda-in-Syria
archive.org...

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88
I am saying allowing hamas receive aid is not that different from directly supporting hamas. Netanyahoo is partly responsible for all the bloodshed and should be held accountable.
www.timesofisrael.com...

Which has nothing to do with what I posted. Which was, how does Israel not provide aid or not aid to the people of Gaza and it’s government and not piss off the whole region losing what little support Isreal has in the Middle East.

So? Now you of all people are saying everyone in the Gaza Government are terrorists?

Little example..

Hamas government in the Gaza Strip

en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Hamas%20has%20governed%20the%20Gaza,Gaza%20Strip%20by%20Yahya%20Sinwar.


2012 fuel crisis

Gaza generally obtained its diesel fuel from Israel[64] but, in 2011, Hamas began buying cheaper fuel from Egypt, bringing it via a network of tunnels, and refused to buy it from Israel.[65]
In early 2012, due to internal economic disagreement between the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas Government in Gaza, decreased supplies from Egypt through tunnel smuggling, and Hamas' refusal to ship fuel via Israel, the Gaza Strip plunged into a fuel crisis, bringing increasingly long electricity shut downs and disruption of transportation. Egypt attempted to stop the use of tunnels for delivery of Egyptian fuel purchased by Palestinian authorities, and severely reduced supply through the tunnel network. As the crisis deepened, Hamas sought to equip the Rafah terminal between Egypt and Gaza for fuel transfer, and refused to accept fuel delivered via the Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and Gaza.[66]

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In addition, Israel introduced a number of goods and vehicles into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom Crossing, as well as the normal diesel for hospitals. Israel also shipped 150,000 liters of diesel through the crossing, which was paid for by the Red Cross.[68]
In April 2012, the issue was resolved as certain amounts of fuel were supplied with the involvement of the Red Cross, after the Palestinian Authority and Hamas reached a deal. Fuel was finally transferred via the Israeli Kerem Shalom Crossing.[70]

en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Hamas%20has%20governed%20the%20Gaza,Gaza%20Strip%20by%20Yahya%20Sinwar.

By allowing diesel into Gaza, are Israel and The Red Cross supplying terrorists?


Giving and supplying the general population of Gaza and the civilian departs of the government control by Hamas allows some standard of living. Its sucks that Hamas abuses things given in good faith and “embezzles” to get supplies to its militants. But without aid, the general public suffers to a greater extent.

So. Yes. Hamas is a government that has a civilian side dealing with civilians issues.

Without aid allowed in by Israel from Qatar, things would be worse for civilians in Gaza.

Qatar raises annual aid to Gaza to $360 million

www.timesofisrael.com...

“This grant…will be used to pay employees’ salaries, provide financial aid to needy families, and operate power stations to limit the worsening of the humanitarian situation, and difficult living conditions in the Strip,” the Qatari government said in a statement carried by its state-owned mouthpieces.

Funny, one side shouts aid supports Hamas.

The other side shouts Gaza is occupied and oppressed by a blockade.

I’m not a big fan of what Hamas has turned the society of Gaza into. But without “support” for aid from Israel, and without outside aid, Gaza wouldn’t even have basic things like working Hospitals.

a reply to: Danvero
Herman Kahn’s plan that was carried out in Vietnam in the 1960s, now being strategically deployed in Gaza.

• Isolate people in Strategic Hamlets. Gaza has been carved up into districts, requiring electronic passes for entry from one sector to another, or into Jewish Israel to work.
(can't help wonder about the real reason behind the 15min cities thing)

• Block journalists from the battlefield. If they are there, kill them (or arrest them, discredit them, accuse them of treachery, throw them in foreign prisons indefinitely)

• Starve people, make access to food difficult, block aid, destroy means of production

The idea being Palestinians will either leave or be killed and Israel will become the land without non-Jewish people it set out to be in 1947.

www.lewrockwell.com...

Regarding aid: claiming to send aid and then making access to said difficult whilst also claiming the aid has been misappropriated.

Ordinary people in Gaza have no food, no clean water, no medicines. They will die of starvation, dehydration, illness and perhaps even, despair.

Humanitarian crisis is real as is the lack of compassion.

Not at all sure why so many believe a word any govt or govt official says about all the wonderful things they claim they are doing.

a reply to: Danvero

a reply to: jofafot

So. Egypt and Israel should impose a true blockade.

Let nothing and no one in or out. Nothing!

Tell Qatar and other countries, and humanitarian organizations, take their aid and shove it up their a$$, and pack sand.

Cut all food and power to Gaza because it supports “Hamas”.

Starve out Hamas.

I bet you the world would turn on Isreal and obliterate it before Hamas even had a chance to be starved out.

a reply to: covent

So. The people of Gaza would be better off without aid from Qatar?

a reply to: Danvero

"I think Biden and Natanyahu should get their share of consequences."

I think if this escalates consequences will be felt all around. The world needs to be able to say live streaming yourselves dropping in from the sky like your playing a round of COD raping, murdering, and taking hostages is not acceptable and will not be tolerated or excused. The case you make that the Qataris are providing comms at the request of the U.S. should be investigated. If found true I think a line was crossed on the side of the U.S. because Hamas has a really bad track record and the U.S. should have no business with them. I am to understand the Qataris offer this middle man service to many nations I just feel my nation shouldn't negotiate with terrorist.

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
a reply to: Danvero
I am to understand the Qataris offer this middle man service to many nations I just feel my nation shouldn't negotiate with terrorist.

What do you do when the “terrorists” are the government, and the aid is what keeps hospitals open and working, the lights on, and food on the table for the majority of the civilian people in Gaza?

a reply to: some_stupid_name

Current budget
Most of the Gaza Strip administration funding comes from outside as aid, with a large portion delivered by UN organizations directly to education and food supply. Most of the Gaza GDP of $700 million comes as foreign humanitarian and direct economic support. Of those funds, the major part is supported by the U.S. and the European Union. Portions of the direct economic support have been provided by the Arab League, though it largely has not provided funds according to schedule. Among other alleged sources of Gaza administration budget is Iran.


en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Hamas%20has%20governed%20the%20Gaza,Gaza%20Strip%20by%20Yahya%20Sinwar.

a reply to: Lazy88

What do you do when the “terrorists” are the government, and the aid is what keeps hospitals open and working, the lights on, and food on the table for the majority of the civilian people in Gaza?

That is a very nice question to ask Natayahu about. He has been funding Islamists since their inception. That is around 27 years before Hamas come to power.

Former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”). “The Israeli government gave me a budget and the military government gives to the mosques.”

Crying a river now about Islamist in power is absurd and ridiculous

Source:
theintercept.com...

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a reply to: Lazy88
Personally, I would leave. I know the boarders are closed but there is open sea. Also not saying I would live to tell the tale, but I would try or die.

originally posted by: Danvero


That is a very nice question to ask Natayahu about. He has been funding Islamists since their inception. That is around 27 years before Hamas come to power.

Islamists only have been around and and “inception” during Natayahu‘s lifetime?