Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

a reply to: Danvero

WTF?

You’re trying to generate foot traffic to a site that wants my email?

a reply to: Danvero

Like I posted before…

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: CarlLaFong

I Reason the C.I.A. Created Al-Qaeda , and the Israeli Mossad Created Hamas for Geopolitical Reasons . Am I Wrong about that ? Please Explain to me Why then because All the World's a Stage IMO .

Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood. Is that false.

What are the group’s origins?
Hamas, an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (“Islamic Resistance Movement”), was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a Palestinian cleric who became an activist in local branches of the Muslim Brotherhood after dedicating his early life to Islamic scholarship in Cairo. Beginning in the late 1960s, Yassin preached and performed charitable work in the West Bank and Gaza, both of which Israel occupied following the 1967 Six-Day War.

Yassin established Hamas as the Brotherhood’s political arm in Gaza in December 1987, following the outbreak of the first intifada, a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. At the time, Hamas’s purpose was to engage in violence against Israelis as a means of restoring Palestinian backing for the Brotherhood, which was losing political support to Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), a Gaza-based, Iran-sponsored organization that had begun pursuing terrorist operations against Israel.

www.cfr.org...

I’m not saying Isreal at some point didn’t back a bad horse like the USA thinking dumping millions in the Middle East would create allies.

To say Isreal created Hamas other than Isreal existing to oppose Isreal is a false statement

originally posted by: Danvero

Natanyahu's government is democratically elected government by Israeli people. Natanyahu's government is widely known to be funding terrorism (Hamas, ISIS).

That is a stretch, might as well say the US and many other countries fund terrorists. You need to align with someone right? It just seems they all are extremists in the end, so it isn't that terrorists are funded, its groups are funded to support our agenda and they evolve into terrorists.

By democratically voting for Natanyahu's government, by association Israeli people voted for

Those tactics are not just Hamas, they are common in the ME, so it isn't something the Jews created.

Now let's give the public benefit of doubt and let's assume they were not aware of Natanyahu's actions. That still means Israeli government should take responsibility for Hamas actions and damage they have caused to Palestinian society and youth through Natanyahu's Hamas ideology installment project deep into society.

Hamas still does it and the people there approve of it. You can't just blame Israel that they created the mess. Hamas was a radical group in Egypt, which is why Egypt doesn't want anything to do with Gaza. Israel has met them another of time to find a middle ground and there just isn't one.

a reply to: Lazy88

Cut all food and power to Gaza because it supports “Hamas”.

Exactly.

I bet you the world would turn on Isreal and obliterate it before Hamas even had a chance to be starved out.

At worst a few muslim countries would get mad and impose economic sanctions which wouldn't matter at all for israel. What you describe is only possible if usa decides to stop supporting israel but that will never happen.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

Cut all food and power to Gaza because it supports “Hamas”.

Exactly.

I bet you the world would turn on Isreal and obliterate it before Hamas even had a chance to be starved out.

At worst a few muslim countries would get mad and impose economic sanctions which wouldn't matter at all for israel. What you describe is only possible if usa decides to stop supporting israel but that will never happen.

For some mysterious reason zionism seems to have a great influence on the US politics and on the US politicians. It may have an ideological and religious background as most US zionists are Christians (mostly right wing) but even Biden has declared he is a proud zionist. Being Jewish and and being a zionist are two different things altogether.

originally posted by: covent
Regarding aid: claiming to send aid and then making access to said difficult whilst also claiming the aid has been misappropriated.

Ordinary people in Gaza have no food, no clean water, no medicines. They will die of starvation, dehydration, illness and perhaps even, despair.

Humanitarian crisis is real as is the lack of compassion.

Not at all sure why so many believe a word any govt or govt official says about all the wonderful things they claim they are doing.

Absolutely!

Ordinary people in Gaza at suffering the consequences of the war.

The IDF has relentlessly bombed Gaza making large parts of it uninhabitable and almost impossible for people to go back. Ethnic cleansing in progress.

What we have is mass killings, war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. Something Israel can defend in any court of law. The irony is the posters who try to defend Israel against genocide as if the other crimes have not been committed.

Israel has already accepted they have killed at least 16,000 innocent civilians. And at least 30,000 altogether. We all know that this number is most likely not true and the real number is much higher.
But by admitting they have killed at least 16,000 civilians they are admitting to mass killings and war crimes/crimes whilst humanity. In comparison Hamas killed 1200 (800 civilians).

originally posted by: covent
a reply to: Danvero
Herman Kahn’s plan that was carried out in Vietnam in the 1960s, now being strategically deployed in Gaza.

• Isolate people in Strategic Hamlets. Gaza has been carved up into districts, requiring electronic passes for entry from one sector to another, or into Jewish Israel to work.
(can't help wonder about the real reason behind the 15min cities thing)

• Block journalists from the battlefield. If they are there, kill them (or arrest them, discredit them, accuse them of treachery, throw them in foreign prisons indefinitely)

• Starve people, make access to food difficult, block aid, destroy means of production

The idea being Palestinians will either leave or be killed and Israel will become the land without non-Jewish people it set out to be in 1947.

www.lewrockwell.com...

Precisely the plan!

The operations in Gaza have resulted in forced expulsion of millions of people with no prospect of them returning back to their homes that have either been damaged or destroyed. It's what we call ethnic cleansing.

The main idea is to make Gaza a Palestinian-free area and then annex the place making it part of Israel.

originally posted by: Versioq

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

Cut all food and power to Gaza because it supports “Hamas”.

Exactly.

I bet you the world would turn on Isreal and obliterate it before Hamas even had a chance to be starved out.

At worst a few muslim countries would get mad and impose economic sanctions which wouldn't matter at all for israel. What you describe is only possible if usa decides to stop supporting israel but that will never happen.

For some mysterious reason zionism seems to have a great influence on the US politics and on the US politicians. It may have an ideological and religious background as most US zionists are Christians (mostly right wing) but even Biden has declared he is a proud zionist. Being Jewish and and being a zionist are two different things altogether.

It's mainly US evangelical types and a few really good UK documentaries on it, commonly known as the Doomsday Cult in the early 2000s.

A lot of George W Bush's cabinet followed it(Cheney, Rumsfeld and a few others were prominent members) and had the belief that actively seeking an all out war in the middle east would bring about the rapture/second coming of christ and other bat# mental stuff.

They're a radical but influencial group with nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity and have more in common with Westborough Baptist Church - they seem to have lost a lot of their previous power and infiltration of US gov and probably only a couple left in US gov.

The extremist settlers in the occupied West Bank have the same doomsday/rapture belief but again they're a tiny minority who are hated by 95%+ of Israeli's/Jews as they're an insult to the religion/country.

a reply to: Lazy88

On the topic of this discussion.

Genocide is a legal term that many of you don't seem to understand and it's something for the courts to decide.

So far we have had the admission by the Israeli Government that they killed at least 30,000 people and at least 16,000 civilians. True number likely to be much higher as we all know. The IDF has given a ratio of 2:1 for civilian to combatant deaths but the Israeli Government has reduced it to 1:1 because of international condemnation and pressures.

www.france24.com...

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva accused Israel Sunday of committing "genocide" against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip and compared its actions to Adolf Hitler's campaign to exterminate Jews.

Various Counties have accused Israel and the accusations are rather serious as they are coming from officials, politicians, and lawyers. Lately, Egypt joined South Africa as we all know in accusing Israel of a range of crimes.

a reply to: Versioq

You haven’t provided any evidence that Isreal is committing genocide in a bloody war stated by Hamas where Isreal tries it’s best to limit civilian casualties where Hamas cowers behind and uses human shields.

Just propaganda.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88


At worst a few muslim countries would get mad and impose economic sanctions which wouldn't matter at all for israel. What you describe is only possible if usa decides to stop supporting israel but that will never happen:

Which is delusional on your part.

You already have various militants outside Gaza firing rockets and missiles into Israel supported by other ME countries.

Hello? Glad it mostly failed.

What was in wave of Iranian attacks and how were they thwarted?

www.bbc.com...

Attack involved drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles
Iran launched more than 300 drones and missiles towards Israel, the Israeli military said on Sunday.
The attack included 170 drones and 30 cruise missiles, none of which entered Israeli territory, and at least 110 ballistic missiles, of which a small number reached Israel, military spokesman Rear Adm Daniel Hagari said in a televised statement. The BBC has not independently verified those figures.
The shortest distance from Iran to Israel is about 1,000km (620 miles) across Iraq, Syria and Jordan.

. Read the post you’re responding to, and answer in its total context.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Danvero

a reply to: jofafot

So. Egypt and Israel should impose a true blockade.

Let nothing and no one in or out. Nothing!

Tell Qatar and other countries, and humanitarian organizations, take their aid and shove it up their a$$, and pack sand.

Cut all food and power to Gaza because it supports “Hamas”.

Starve out Hamas.

I bet you the world would turn on Isreal and obliterate it before Hamas even had a chance to be starved out.

How do you prevent something like the Red Cross from delivering humanitarian aid in the form of diesel into Gaza for hospitals without committing a crime.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Versioq

You haven’t provided any evidence that Isreal is committing genocide in a bloody war stated by Hamas where Isreal tries it’s best to limit civilian casualties where Hamas cowers behind and uses human shields.

Just propaganda.

I don't need to as I have never claimed it did. This is a legal term and the courts will decide whether it has committed genocide or not. Not posters on an internet platform.

Israel however had admitted it has killed at least 16,000 civilians. Likely to be much higher. They have therefore admitted mass killings and the relevant war crimes and crimes against humanity associated with mass killings of civilians.

Early morning apology isn't a great idea. The argument is lost by the Israeli apologists. There is no justification for the tens of thousands of innocent people died in Gaza, only widespread condemnation.

originally posted by: Versioq
Genocide is a legal term that many of you don't seem to understand ...

No alienborg/leviathan4/venkuish1 etc etc ... those who say it's not genocide understand the term very well. It's people like you who don't understand it, or who understand it but are falsely attributing it to Israel.

So far we have had the admission by the Israeli Government that they killed at least 30,000 people and at least 16,000 civilians.

Yeah ... 16,000 dead civilians. People die in wars and that's a low number. Your Hamas buddies hide behind civilians and in civilian structures so any civilians who die are THEIR FAULT. And 14,000 dead terrorists .... that's the whole point of this war ... kill the terrorists and free the hostages.

You want people to stop dying? Then tell Hamas and the 'palestinians' to release the hostages, lay down their arms, and stop calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews. Very simple.

The IDF has given a ratio of 2:1 for civilian to combatant deaths ...

Which is a very good ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in an urban environment.

You are on here all night and all day ... seemingly never sleeping or going to a job ... pumping out the same bullsh!t propaganda. Same crap ... day after day ... banned account after banned account. That's not healthy behavior.

Definition of obsession - noun. ob·​ses·​sion äb-ˈsesh-ən, əb- : a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling. also : something that causes such preoccupation compare compulsion, phobia.

a reply to: Versioq

Which isn’t any actual proof that Isreal is committing genocide while Isreal does its best fighting an enemy that illegal shields its military equipment and munitions with human shields.

originally posted by: Lazy88
You haven’t provided any evidence that Isreal is committing genocide in a bloody war stated by Hamas where Isreal tries it’s best to limit civilian casualties where Hamas cowers behind and uses human shields.

He can't produce any evidence of genocide .... because there isn't any. And it's probably frosting his butt that the number of deaths in Gaza for civilians isn't 35,000 women and children like Hamas claims, and that it's probably just 16,000 men, women and children. Useful idiots loved the Hamas propaganda higher number because it sounded like better anti-Israel propaganda.

People die in wars. And in this war, the number of 16,000 civilians is very very low. And the ratio of civilian deaths to combatant deaths in this war is very very low as well. The number of civilian deaths and terrorist deaths is just about even in Gaza, whereas in most urban setting wars the ratio is more like 9:1 with 4:1 being the average when you factor in nonurban settings. Civilian Casualty Ratios

There obviously is no genocide. This is just war being fought and when examined by the ratio numbers, it is actually being fought very well by Israel.

World War II - 50,000,000 Dead

World War I - 40,000,000 Dead

Vietnam War - 1,353,000 Dead

Korea War - 525,000 Dead, over 1 Million Missing

Iraq War - Over 1 Million Associated Deaths

Iran/Iraq War - 500,000 Iraqi dead and 750,000 Iranian dead

a reply to: FlyersFan

Imagine Israel's lawyers trying to defend the mass killings of innocent civilians by arguing 'people die in wars'?! Do you think is going to work?!

IDF has given 2:1 as a ratio and the Israeli Government 1:1. So one of the two is not telling the truth. The ratio could be even higher than the 2:1 the IDF has given. If they claim they have killed 14,000 from Hamas then there must be at least 28,000 dead civilians with a 2:1 ratio.

And yes, genocide is a legal term. And I don't remember making why claims about genocide. You seem to be confusing the posters and who said what. Let the courts decide about genocide.

But Israel has already admitted the mass killings of at least 16,000 civilians and hence the war crimes and crimes against humanity associated with mass killings. These things go together.

There is no need for further apologies. Israel has already admitted the mass killings of innocent civilians.

The reason the Israeli Government gave that ratio to be almost 1:1 is due to the widespread condemnation. It's logical.

a reply to: Versioq

Yeah.

War sucks.


But the civilian deaths are on Hamas for breaking a ceasefire by sanctioning the murder, rape, torture, and kidnapping of over 1000 civilians on Oct 7. After years of firing tens of thousands of rockets and mortars indiscriminately into Israel with nothing but civilians as targets.

And now you blaming Israel for Hamas hiding their munitions in schools, and cowering under hospitals.

The civilian deaths are because of Hamas war crimes.

a reply to: Lazy88

But but but...what?
There is no excuse for the mass murder of innocent civilians in Gaza and for the associated war crimes.

Israel has already accepted and admitted it has killed at least 16,000 civilians. Do you think Hamas serves as an excuse for any of these crimes?

Perhaps you want to offer your legal services to defend Israel? They won't do very well under your counselling and guidance. That's for sure.

a reply to: Versioq

You sound.....familiar?

originally posted by: Versioq
a reply to: Lazy88

But but but...what?
There is no excuse for the mass murder of innocent civilians in Gaza and for the associated war crimes.

Israel has already accepted and admitted it has killed at least 16,000 civilians. Do you think Hamas serves as an excuse for any of these crimes?

Perhaps you want to offer your legal services to defend Israel? They won't do very well under your counselling and guidance. That's for sure.

Want to address the issue. Civilians are dying because Hamas uses human shields. Which is a war crime.