Iranian Lawmaker Declares Iran Has Nuclear Weapons

I'm apt to bet that Iran does have a limited amount of nukes. They were pretty close to enriching the Uranium years ago, I am sure that they just hid their actions in a mountain or something, so it would be hard to detect their actions. They have not tested their stuff yet, but if they had some help from some scientists that know how to do this, they could have built them. Even if the bombs do not preform as intended, they will cause a lot of people to die from a dirty nuke.

We were giving Iran money to cease their building of nukes and they probably accounted for that money but at the same time kept up with their enrichment using money they would have paid out if they had not gotten funding from the west. So basically it freed up some of their own money to keep going because we gave them a reward for quitting, and they kept good records of where that extra money went while hiding their use of the countries money going to nuclear arsenal building.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Iran has the same right to have nuclear weapons as Israel.

Maybe less, since the State of Israel is not a party to the NPT.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: FlyersFan

Extremely doubtful.


Iran may have a nuclear device (easy enough to design one for a technological State), but until they successfully detonate their device, they cannot claim to have a nuclear "weapon".


And every Iranian mullah and technocrat is well aware of the fact that there is no practical way to "hide" the detonation of a nuclear device: sensors around the world will report the explosion.


They also know that once that test is detected, a very big bullseye will be placed over Iran, and a very big fuse will be lit.

Let me remind you that the very first military use of a nuclear weapon was the Little Boy gun-type Uranium bomb. It was dropped on Hiroshima without being tested at full scale first. Iran could do the same.

Old news.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The First Rule of Nuke Club...Is You Do Not Talk About Nuke Club.

originally posted by: rickymouse
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We were giving Iran money to cease their building of nukes and they probably accounted for that money but at the same time kept up with their enrichment using money they would have paid out if they had not gotten funding from the west. So basically it freed up some of their own money to keep going because we gave them a reward for quitting, and they kept good records of where that extra money went while hiding their use of the countries money going to nuclear arsenal building.

That's not even close to being true.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was signed by the US, Iran, China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and Germany in 2015. It went into effect in January of 2016. Prior to the signing of the plan, Iran underwent a years-long process of accounting for all the Uranium they had enriched up to that point. All of the signatories, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) agreed that there had not been enough Uranium enriched to bomb grade purity up to that point to produce a bomb. Going forward, Iran moved something like 98% of its enriched Uranium out of the country, destroyed most of its most advanced enrichment centrifuges, modified its reactor so that it couldn't produce Plutonium, and agreed to 24/7 monitoring of its nuclear facilities. The net result was to move Iran from being within a month or so of being able to break out and produce a weapon to about a year, if they decided to break the agreement. Even Donald Trump's own national security team agreed that this was true. All their nuclear development was conducted and then disbanded BEFORE the US freed up sanctions and released the impounded Iranian funds.

Iran had developed their Uranium enrichment facilities and research into weapons design on their own dime. The JCPOA did not attempt to limit Iran's development of nuclear weapons by limiting their funds. It limited their ability to produce nuclear weapons by physically limiting their access to bomb grade Uranium and Plutonium.

After the US unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018, Iran no longer felt bound by the agreement, so they limited the international inspections and started recovering the capability the had given up. It is now estimated that they are again within about a month of breaking out to produce a nuclear weapon if they decide to.

a reply to: Boomer1947

A gun-type nuclear weapon seems a bit too bulky to mount as a missile-based device.


And missiles are the only weapons systems Iran has available to realistically deliver a nuke to Israel. Iran has no long range bombers. Iran has drones, and drones can deliver bombs, or be bombs, but drones are slow, and as shown, barely effective against Israeli air defences. Hardly reasonable to expect Iran to risk their hard-won nukes on a delivery system that Israel can pick out if the air like shooting fish in a barrel. Not unless you believe that Iran actually has hundreds of drone-borne nukes to bring to bear.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: FlyersFan

Why are Iranians worse than Anglo-Saxons, Russians or Jews?
Or do you think that they are second-class citizens?

Yep!! Hit nail on the head with pinpoint accuracy there Troll!!
The largest state sponsor of terrorists in the world...should have been taken apart already for their sweet sweet oil long before now. Now look at them...thinking they are something they are not...thinking all of those animals they monetarily support to carry out terrorist actions with further their own cause while they are in the closet...yet Iran sits back...not taking credit...like a coward..a feverish gleam of avarice for the death of Israel or Christians or catholics...Buddhists...ect..ect.
F them....Israel shouldn't stop with Hamas, they should continue to neutralize the terror sponsors who fund them...and Hezbolla and dozens of others. That sponsor would be Iran..se ya Iran

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Or vice versa))))

Again ... as usual ... I have no idea what you are talking about.
You'll have to be more specific.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You understand everything perfectly. In the world, all people are equal, there is no exclusivity. Anticipating your objections about the certain “chosenness of God” of one of the peoples, I will answer. It was lost the moment they crucified Jesus Christ.

a reply to: RussianTroll

I STILL have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

This thread is about an elected member of Irans parliament saying that they have nuclear weapons. I said I don't believe him because if they did, they would have already nuked Tel-Aviv as they said they want to.

You are rambling about something .. and only you know what it is.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I take my example from you. All people are equal!

a reply to: RussianTroll

Still don't know what you are talking about.

This thread is about an elected member of Irans parliament saying that they have nuclear weapons. I said I don't believe him because if they did, they would have already nuked Tel-Aviv as they said they want to.

What does that have to do with Jesus or the Jewish Rabbis or 'people being equal' that you have brought up ??????

Seriously dude ... I have no freak'n clue what you are talking about.

And I"m done trying to figure it out.

It would be suicide for Iran to use nukes against another country that has them. I think they want nukes for same reason other countries that have them, deterrent from being invaded.

a reply to: RussianTroll

But some are more equal than others?

Worth noting that a lot of analysts were surprised when North Korea tested their first nuclear bomb in 2006. There was dispute about how close they were. Intelligence is a far from an exact science.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: FlyersFan

Iran has the same right to have nuclear weapons as Israel.

As usual, you are wrong. Iran signed away such rights when they entered the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1970.

a reply to: Boomer1947

Iran never agreed to 24/7 monitoring of its nuclear facilities in the JCPOA.

Iran dictated which facilities were "nuclear facilities" and those were the only ones that were subject to monitoring and inspection under the JCPOA. They specifically left out a number of facilities that Western intelligence knew were nuclear facilities but Iran wouldn't agree to monitoring and inspections at those facilities and we signed the deal anyway.

This would be like if you caught your kid using drugs, so you were gonna start searching their room for drugs, but you let your kid tell you "I only hide drugs in these few places and those are the only places you're allowed to look."

And even the facilities the IAEA were allowed to inspect, they had to give Iran advanced notice. Iran could delay the process up to 3 weeks and still technically be in compliance. Monitoring was done with cameras and sensors, but Iran had ultimate control of them and could turn them off and obviously knew where they all were so they could circumvent them.

The JCPOA was a joke. Iran was completely in charge. The Obama negotiating team were desperate to just get A deal before Obama left office, and Iran knew that. That's a horrible position to go into a negotiation, because the other side can rake you over the coals knowing you'll agree to almost anything just so you can claim "success."

We had all the leverage. Sanctions worked for once and brought Iran to the table, and Obama and Kerry gave away the farm.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
a reply to: Boomer1947

Iran never agreed to 24/7 monitoring of its nuclear facilities in the JCPOA.

Iran dictated which facilities were "nuclear facilities" and those were the only ones that were subject to monitoring and inspection under the JCPOA. They specifically left out a number of facilities that Western intelligence knew were nuclear facilities but Iran wouldn't agree to monitoring and inspections at those facilities and we signed the deal anyway.

This would be like if you caught your kid using drugs, so you were gonna start searching their room for drugs, but you let your kid tell you "I only hide drugs in these few places and those are the only places you're allowed to look."

And even the facilities the IAEA were allowed to inspect, they had to give Iran advanced notice. Iran could delay the process up to 3 weeks and still technically be in compliance. Monitoring was done with cameras and sensors, but Iran had ultimate control of them and could turn them off and obviously knew where they all were so they could circumvent them.

The JCPOA was a joke. Iran was completely in charge. The Obama negotiating team were desperate to just get A deal before Obama left office, and Iran knew that. That's a horrible position to go into a negotiation, because the other side can rake you over the coals knowing you'll agree to almost anything just so you can claim "success."

We had all the leverage. Sanctions worked for once and brought Iran to the table, and Obama and Kerry gave away the farm.

And why should they?

They have the right to have a deterrent just like everyone else has the same right as they fell threaten by the west and Israel.

Not that I agree with the possession and possible use of nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not for war but for annihilation of the human species and every other living creature (should they be used at a large scale).

Prove it.