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originally posted by: twistedpuppy
a reply to: Imhere
Unless you’re just a Russian hater and rather support Nazis because you hate Russians.
ORLY? If I remember correctly, you had a lot to say about the Nazis in Russia. Does their attitude to immigrants and ethnic minorities still bother you? Does the fact that Putin at one time set up improvised concentration camps for troublesome Muslim immigrants make your blood boil? Or that he uses the inhabitants of the North Caucasus as cannon fodder, sending them to fight in Ukraine by force? I guess you didn't even know about that because you're an expert on taking things out their context.
Like you did with the Asov. Those people courageously defended their homeland against the foreign invasion. If the armed militias are civilians for you, then you have a peculiar definition of civilians. Many of those "civilians" were regular Russian soldiers dressed up as the militias in Donetsk and Luhansk. Back in 2014 they surrounded and mercilessly slaughtered the Ukrainian soldiers right up after promising to open the humanitarian corridor for them.
And no I didn't pull that out of my a**. I got that revelation from Navalny's s**t talkers on Yandex. Those poor liars can't even fiter their propaganda properly.
I won't be talking about the Nazi volunteers in the Russian army because that has already been covered. Anyway, spare me all that crap about the bad Ukrainians murdering poor Russian civilians. Civilians aren't usually armed to the teeth.
You talk about naming streets after Bandera. Does immortal Lenin in the Red Square bother you too?
Summing up, Ukraine has no more nationalists than other countries. This is not the justification for the full scale invasion. No matter how many mental gymnastics you perform, Russia is an aggressor here. It attacked Ukraine first in 2014 and then in 2022, violating the Minsk agreements it itself signed and that were meant to stabilize the situation. So let's spare ourselves all the crap talk about Russia wanting peace.
After officials and institutions in Ukraine – including the national parliament – marked the birth anniversary of nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, Polish government figures have criticised the commemoration of a man they see as responsible for the genocide of ethnic Poles and Jews.
Despite Poland and Ukraine having forged an extremely close alliance against Russian aggression this year, remembrance of World War Two history – and in particular the massacre of up to 100,000 Polish civilians by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – continues to be a bone of contention.
Bandera – who led the OUN-B political organisation that formed the UPA – is seen as a hero by many in Ukraine for his role in fighting for national independence. Critics, however, see him as a fascist and Nazi collaborator.
Among those to mark the 114th anniversary of Bandera’s birth yesterday was Ukraine’s parliament. It tweeted an image of Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the current commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, under a portrait of Bandera.
“The complete and final victory of Ukrainian nationalism will come when the Russian empire ceases to exist,” wrote the parliamentary account alongside the image, quoted by the Polish Press Agency (PAP). “A fight against the Russian empire is currently underway,” it added. “And the guidelines of Stepan Bandera are well known to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.”
originally posted by: twistedpuppy
a reply to: Imhere
Seriously, do you think I'm the mouthpiece for the Polish government or something? I share my own personal views. I'm not a bot. True, my views are influenced by my location. If I lived in the US, not in Poland, I could sound like that clown, Scott Ritter, who knows? Maybe, I would be all like "Oh my God, Putin will nuke us all! Let's give him half of Europe or even the whole of Europe, if that's what he wants."
But it's Poland's vital interest to support and defend Ukraine. It's our buffer zone. As long as Russia is stuck in Ukraine, it won't be able to attack any other country. The more harm Ukrainians cause the Russians, the better for us, Poles. That interest trumps any historical animosities we could have with Ukraine.
.....all those people in Ukraine should hate the US and Europe for destroying it totally.
I believe Putin with his words.....
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Plugit
.....all those people in Ukraine should hate the US and Europe for destroying it totally.
Yet they don't, they appreciate all the support they are getting.
Have you ever asked yourself why that is?
Possibly because they've experienced life under Russian domination and they don't want to again?
I believe Putin with his words.....
A ruthless de facto dictator who eliminates all opposition by sometimes quite brutal means and who is diametrically opposed to values like freedom of speech.
Sort of says it all.
For me it's believing in fear mongering (that Russia would invade Europe), and yea seems the Polish (their 'leaders'') are afraid they take over for example Poland. Way way before this war in Urkaine Poland was the US biggest puppet, yea give us missile launchers against Russia, the explanation was they where against the threat against Iran! (their nuclear weapons, which they still don't have).