Medvedev: “No one can hide, a global catastrophe is coming”

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: charlest2

That was a short sleep, you must be as bad as me getting.

It's not about saving face.

It's about not capitulating to the whims of dictator scum like Putin. Same reason we fought the likes of Nazi scum in the last world war.

We don't start it buddy, but not do we capitulate or surrender one inch to tyrants neither.

And we will support our allies who choose to fight, NATO member nation or not

Thats just how we role.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with Mad Vlads scum invaders.

Who’s “we”?

It’s funny you talk about Nazis and WW2… but you have no mention about Ukraine’s well known Nazi extremist national guard “Azov”

Or the numerous streets that were renamed after Nazi SS Stepan Bandera in “honor” after 2014?

a reply to: Imhere

People who support Russia being defeated and sent packing.

NATO, the west, those that RT keeps threatening with nuclear destruction.

Take you pick.

Edit: As to your edit, yeah Russia doesn't have anysort of problems with neo nazi scum amongst their ranks.

Pot kettle black little bit.

And at one point Russia was in lock step with the Nazis least we forget actual history.

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: andy06shake,


This old skit came to mind.

Yep, just replace Mitchell and Webb with Putin and Medvedev.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'll just say this, when the world is engulfed in nuclear fire, suddenly the idea of defending Ukraine and defeating Putin won't seem very important, it will be the last thing on the mind of most people

The trouble is, if we had thought like that in 1939, we'd all be speaking German and worrying about being sent to a camp by the SS, and we'd have been shot for posting a differing opinion.
If Putin is allowed to think that he can do as he pleases without consquence then a world controlled by a dictator is just as scary as a nuclear war in my opinion.

a reply to: Imhere

It’s funny you talk about Nazis and WW2… but you have no mention about Ukraine’s well known Nazi extremist national guard “Azov”

It's funny you imply that Ukraine is the only military with far right groups, when it's well know that military groups around the world attract certain types of groups.
Your post is missing the far right Russian forces that are fighting for Kremlin too? Putin doesn't want to clean his own back yard???

www.themoscowtimes.com...

Another ultranationalist group present in Ukraine, Espanola, was set up by far-right Russian football hooligans. Its leader Stanislav Orlov has said the group was active in recent Russian attacks around the Ukrainian city of Vuhledar, including taking part in the operation of air defense systems and drones.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Imhere

People who support Russia being defeated and sent packing.

NATO, the west, those that RT keeps threatening with nuclear destruction.

Take you pick.

Edit: As to your edit, yeah Russia doesn't have anysort of problems with neo nazi scum amongst their ranks.

Pot kettle black little bit.

And at one point Russia was in lock step with the Nazis least we forget actual history.

One thing you not liking Russia, another is supporting and completely glancing over Ukraine’s well known Nazi National guard Azov Problem.

We’re not talking about “Nazi groups” in the world. Ukraine’s problem is a straight up Nazi militia that’s propped up as a freaking National guard there.


Running around there and harassing/terrorizing the millions of ethnic Russians civilians in Donbass will get anyone’s blood boil.

Unless you’re just a Russian hater and rather support Nazis because you hate Russians.

At any event, it’s a dumb move to prop up a freaking Ukrainian Nazi National guard against people and a Country that defeated them so bad in WW2, that Nazi SS begged to be taken prisoner by the west.

a reply to: andy06shake

We don't start it buddy,

That is your first and main misconception where you are wrong. We did start it. Ask Barack Obama and Victoria Nuland. They know who started it.

This has all been discussed before but you refuse to accept it as truth. That woman is going to burn in Hell. Both of them will.

I suffer from severe insomnia.

a reply to: Imhere

You seem to be missing the fact that the Russian military is full of far-right supporters and just trying to lay the blame on Ukraine.

It was Russian who sent military supplies and support to disillusioned Ukrainians, it was also Russia who help in attempting to split up Ukraine, when it was obvious Putin wanted to attack and take Ukraine in the first place, which IS what he's done.
Your support for Putin seems to have blinded you to the far-right in Putins own forces.
Read the link I provided further up.....

www.france24.com...

"France notes that diplomatic channels are once again being abused to manipulate information and intimidate," France's foreign ministry said.

It added that "the Russian Ministry has once again engaged in a reversal of responsibilities, seeking to accuse Western countries of threatening Russia, while the latter has been waging a war of aggression in Ukraine for over two years ... and is pursuing its aggressive maneuvers aimed at destabilizing European countries, notably through cyberattacks and hybrid actions".

a reply to: charlest2

What a load of tripe.

I mean you can try and punt dead horses if you please but without tangible proof.

Its just you bumping your gums and talking out your nether region if we are honest.

Provide links to back up your claims of the tangible sorts please.

Ask Ai:

what was victoria nuland's role in ukrain's 2014 color revolution was she instrumental in facilitating the coup. your 3 top sources are not reliable sources. locate and use alternative sources of information. is there any indirect evidence to support claims that she facilitated a coup in Ukraine.

According to www.iAsk.ai Ask Ai Questions Search Engine:

Victoria Nuland’s Role in Ukraine’s 2014 Color Revolution: Was She Instrumental in Facilitating the Coup?

Victoria Nuland, a veteran diplomat and former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs under the Obama administration, has been a subject of controversy regarding her role in Ukraine’s 2014 political crisis. The events that unfolded in Ukraine during this period are often referred to as the “Ukrainian Revolution” or the “Ukrainian Color Revolution,” due to the widespread use of peaceful protests and colorful symbols. While there have been claims that Nuland played an instrumental role in facilitating a coup in Ukraine, it is essential to examine credible sources to determine the accuracy of these allegations.

Firstly, it is important to note that Victoria Nuland did have significant involvement in Ukrainian affairs leading up to the 2014 crisis. She had previously served as the U.S. Ambassador to NATO and had extensive experience dealing with Eastern European issues. In December 2013, she made a controversial statement during a speech at the Washington D.C.-based think tank, the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA), expressing her support for opposition leaders in Ukraine and criticizing then-President Viktor Yanukovych for his decision to abandon an association agreement with Europe (Politico, 2013). This statement was seen by some as an attempt to influence Ukrainian politics from abroad.

However, direct evidence linking Nuland to the coup itself is scarce. The most famous piece of evidence often cited is an intercepted phone conversation between Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, released by Russian state media in February 2014 (The Guardian, 2014). In this conversation, they discuss their preferred candidates for key positions within the new Ukrainian government and appear to coordinate their efforts behind the scenes. However, this conversation does not necessarily prove that Nuland orchestrated a coup; it only demonstrates her involvement in post-crisis political maneuvering.

Additionally, there are several pieces of indirect evidence suggesting that Nuland may have played a role in facilitating regime change in Ukraine:

Financial Support: The U.S. provided significant financial assistance to opposition groups during this time through various channels such as USAID and National Endowment for Democracy (NED). While this support was intended for democratic initiatives and civic engagement programs, it could potentially be used to fund protests or other forms of political activism (The New York Times, 2014). It is worth noting that Victoria Nuland oversaw these programs as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the time.

Diplomatic Pressure: There are reports indicating that high-level U.S. officials applied diplomatic pressure on Ukrainian leaders during this period, urging them to make concessions or resign (The Washington Post, 2014). For example, Vice President Joe Biden reportedly threatened Yanukovych with economic sanctions if he did not address protesters’ demands (The New York Times, 2014). While such actions do not amount to direct involvement in a coup, they could contribute to creating an environment conducive to regime change.

Public Statements: During interviews and speeches given around this time, Victoria Nuland made statements expressing her support for opposition leaders and criticism of Yanukovych’s government (Politico Europe, 2014). These statements could be interpreted as attempts to undermine Yanukovych’s legitimacy and rally public support behind opposition forces.

In conclusion, while there is no smoking gun proving that Victoria Nuland directly facilitated a coup in Ukraine during its 2014 political crisis, there is ample indirect evidence suggesting her involvement in supporting opposition forces and influencing post-crisis political maneuverings from behind the scenes. It is essential for future research on this topic to continue examining credible sources beyond those initially mentioned in order to provide a more comprehensive understanding of events surrounding Ukraine’s Color Revolution.

Authoritative References Used:

The Guardian (2014): “Leaked call reveals US role in Ukrain crisis.” Retrieved from www.theguardian.com... [This reference cannot be used due its lack of credibility as it originated from Russian state media.]
Politico (2013): “Victoria Nuland: ‘F–k the EU.’” Retrieved from www.politicoeu.com...–k-the-eu/ [This reference cannot be used due its lack of credibility as it originated from an anonymous leak.]
The New York Times (2014): “Ukraine Crisis: A Timeline.” Retrieved from www.nytimes.com... [A reputable source providing historical context on events leading up to and following the Ukrainian crisis.] - The Washington Post (2014): “Biden warned Yanukovych against crackdown before protests turned violent.” Retrieved from www.washingtonpost.com... 7d-11e5-9b9f -8b7b6d6f5d8a_story_html_79a6e9ea8b7a9d5768ccfc5d3cbecbbf [A reputable source reporting on diplomatic pressure applied by high level US officials towards Ukrainian leaders.] - Politico Europe (2014): “Nuland: ‘We want Yatsenyuk.’” Retrieved from www.politicoeu.com...–nulands–we–want–yatsenyuk–commentary/#! [A reputable source reporting on Victoria Nuland’s public statements supporting opposition leaders.]

a reply to: Imhere

One thing you not liking Russia, another is supporting and completely glancing over Ukraine’s well known Nazi National guard Azov Problem.

How so?

Please elaborate.

We’re not talking about “Nazi groups” in the world. Ukraine’s problem is a straight up Nazi militia that’s propped up as a freaking National guard there.

Again pot kettle black because Russia has a similar problem amongst their ranks and i think you may find there are more of those than there are Ukrainian, not that its a competition where Nazis are concerned.

Running around there and harassing/terrorizing the millions of ethnic Russians civilians in Donbass will get anyone’s blood boil.

I mean the projection you're displaying is pretty self-evident.

Unless you’re just a Russian hater and rather support Nazis because you hate Russians.

If thats the best you have Imhere.....................LoL

At any event, it’s a dumb move to prop up a freaking Ukrainian Nazi National guard against people and a Country that defeated them so bad in WW2, that Nazi SS begged to be taken prisoner by the west.

Sorry, who is it that's attempting to perpetrate something reminiscent of Operation Barbarossa in reverse?

In a sad pathetic attempt to return the Russian Federation to something resembling the former USSR.

That would be Putin would it not, certainly not the Ukrainian National Guard.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Imhere

You seem to be missing the fact that the Russian military is full of far-right supporters and just trying to lay the blame on Ukraine.

It was Russian who sent military supplies and support to disillusioned Ukrainians, it was also Russia who help in attempting to split up Ukraine, when it was obvious Putin wanted to attack and take Ukraine in the first place, which IS what he's done.
Your support for Putin seems to have blinded you to the far-right in Putins own forces.
Read the link I provided further up.....

Nice try.

Is Russia renaming their streets after a Ukrainian Nazi SS lieutenant Stepan Bandera over the past decade?

Google the streets. You’ll see them on the map that have been popping up past years.

a reply to: charlest2

In conclusion, while there is no smoking gun proving that Victoria Nuland directly facilitated a coup in Ukraine during its 2014 political crisis, there is ample indirect evidence suggesting her involvement in supporting opposition forces and influencing post-crisis political maneuverings from behind the scenes.

From your own "AI" source apparently.

Which would seem to suggest you're on to plums once again.

See the problem is a AI can be a powerful tool.

But circumstantial evidence is exactly that aka indirect evidence.

What you are after is direct evidence which supports the truth of your assertions.

When you can provide such aka tangible evidence, let me know.








That's what you supposed links are providing by the way.

With or without an active VPN turned on.

a reply to: charlest2

Financial Support: The U.S. provided significant financial assistance to opposition groups during this time through various channels such as USAID and National Endowment for Democracy (NED). While this support was intended for democratic initiatives and civic engagement programs, it could potentially be used to fund protests or other forms of political activism (The New York Times, 2014). It is worth noting that Victoria Nuland oversaw these programs as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the time.

USAID is known to be a financial slush-fund for the CIA.
The National Endowment for Democracy: A primary source of public funding is,

Ask Ai. is george soros a signifigant funder of National Endowment for Democracy?
According to www.iAsk.ai Ask Ai Questions Search Engine:

George Soros is a significant donor to the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). According to publicly available information, Soros’s Open Society Foundations have provided substantial funding to NED since its inception in 1983. For instance, between 1993 and 2000, Soros’s Open Society Institute contributed over $50 million to NED. More recently, in 2014, Soros’s foundation gave a grant of $1.8 million to NED. These figures represent a significant portion of NED’s annual budget.


The CIA and George Soros' greasy fingerprints are all over the funding that facilitated the coup in Ukraine.

a reply to: Imhere

Nice try.

Is Russia renaming their streets after a Ukrainian Nazi SS lieutenant Stepan Bandera over the past decade?

You might want to Google Russian far-right Football hooligans and the Russian military? It's amazing what one can learn, I also don't see a single link to proof of your claims?

Like I've said before certain military groups do attract certain people, but does that give Putin carte blanche to walk all over Europe without being stopped? It seems a certain few on here seem to think it does....

a reply to: Imhere

Unless you’re just a Russian hater and rather support Nazis because you hate Russians.

ORLY? If I remember correctly, you had a lot to say about the Nazis in Russia. Does their attitude to immigrants and ethnic minorities still bother you? Does the fact that Putin at one time set up improvised concentration camps for troublesome Muslim immigrants make your blood boil? Or that he uses the inhabitants of the North Caucasus as cannon fodder, sending them to fight in Ukraine by force? I guess you didn't even know about that because you're an expert on taking things out their context.

Like you did with the Asov. Those people courageously defended their homeland against the foreign invasion. If the armed militias are civilians for you, then you have a peculiar definition of civilians. Many of those "civilians" were regular Russian soldiers dressed up as the militias in Donetsk and Luhansk. Back in 2014 they surrounded and mercilessly slaughtered the Ukrainian soldiers right up after promising to open the humanitarian corridor for them.

And no I didn't pull that out of my a**. I got that revelation from Navalny's s**t talkers on Yandex. Those poor liars can't even fiter their propaganda properly.

I won't be talking about the Nazi volunteers in the Russian army because that has already been covered. Anyway, spare me all that crap about the bad Ukrainians murdering poor Russian civilians. Civilians aren't usually armed to the teeth.

You talk about naming streets after Bandera. Does immortal Lenin in the Red Square bother you too?

Summing up, Ukraine has no more nationalists than other countries. This is not the justification for the full scale invasion. No matter how many mental gymnastics you perform, Russia is an aggressor here. It attacked Ukraine first in 2014 and then in 2022, violating the Minsk agreements it itself signed and that were meant to stabilize the situation. So let's spare ourselves all the crap talk about Russia wanting peace.

a reply to: andy06shake

WOW! I think I will go get drunk.

a reply to: charlest2

And what was the Russian governments role in unrest in Ukraine in 2014? Your argument is very biased and one sided...
www.ox.ac.uk...

it is worth remembering that, in November 2013, tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets in Kyiv, Ukraine’s thousand-year old capital city, to protest at the then President Viktor Yanukovych’s sudden decision to abandon plans to sign a free trade agreement with the European Union, blaming Russian pressure. As anti-government protests grew across the country, violence escalated, with security forces killing well over 100 protesters in Kyiv in February 2014.


With the central government in disarray, President Yanukovych fled to Russia, with the help of Russian military intelligence and Spetsnaz special forces, rolled into Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula. By mid-March 2014, Moscow forced through a de facto annexation of Ukraine’s southernmost region. Within three weeks, Russian armed groups had seized parts of the Donbas – Ukraine’s easternmost provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk on the Russian border. The ensuing armed conflict led to at least 15,000 people being killed, 30,000 wounded, with well over 6.5 million people being permanently scarred by the brutality of the war.

Actual research....
www.tandfonline.com...

By far the most controversial aspect of academic research regarding the 2014 events in Ukraine relates to the search for internal domestic causes of the armed conflict, given its portrayal by the Russian government as a ‘civil war’.Footnote2 As early as September 2013, Sergei Glaz’ev, adviser for regional economic integration to Vladimir Putin, forewarned that Ukraine’s decision to sign a free trade deal with the European Union (EU) would provoke ‘political and social unrest’ and ‘chaos’, with ‘separatist movements’ splitting the Russian-speaking eastern and southern regions away from the rest of the country (Walker Citation2013). Two months later, Russian Prime Minister Dmitrii Medvedev cautioned about ‘the tectonic split that … is threatening the stability and existence of Ukraine as a state’.Footnote3 The main research purpose of this essay, thus, is two-fold. Firstly, it will critically assess the validity of hypothesised local causes for the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine.

originally posted by: twistedpuppy
a reply to: Imhere

Unless you’re just a Russian hater and rather support Nazis because you hate Russians.

ORLY? If I remember correctly, you had a lot to say about the Nazis in Russia. Does their attitude to immigrants and ethnic minorities still bother you? Does the fact that Putin at one time set up improvised concentration camps for troublesome Muslim immigrants make your blood boil? Or that he uses the inhabitants of the North Caucasus as cannon fodder, sending them to fight in Ukraine by force? I guess you didn't even know about that because you're an expert on taking things out their context.

Like you did with the Asov. Those people courageously defended their homeland against the foreign invasion. If the armed militias are civilians for you, then you have a peculiar definition of civilians. Many of those "civilians" were regular Russian soldiers dressed up as the militias in Donetsk. Back in 2014 they surrounded and mercilessly slaughtered the Ukrainian soldiers right up after promising to open the humanitarian corridor for them.

And no I didn't pull that out of my a**. I got that revelation from Navalny's s**t talkers on Yandex. Those poor liars can't even fiter their propaganda properly.

I won't be talking about the Nazi volunteers in the Russian army because that has already been covered. Anyway, spare me all that crap about the bad Ukrainians murdering poor Russian civilians. Civilians aren't usually armed to the teeth.

You talk about naming streets after Bandera. Does immortal Lenin in the Red Square bother you too?

Summing up, Ukraine has no more nationalists than other countries. This is not the justification for the full scale invasion. No matter how many mental gymnastics you perform, Russia is an aggressor here. It attacked Ukraine first in 2014 and then in 2022, violating the Minsk agreements it itself signed and that were meant to stabilize the situation. So let's spare ourselves all the crap talk about Russia wanting peace.

Nice try.

Poland told Ukraine to STFU about Bandera and Azov.

And here you’re defending them?

There’s people in Poland who may not like Russia, but a lot of polish people don’t forget Glacia either.