Israeli strikes on southern Gaza city of Rafah kill 22, mostly children, as US advances aid package

a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower civilian casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

And war crimes are committed.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said on Friday that “far too many Palestinians have been killed” in Gaza, in the latest indication that the Biden administration is growing increasingly concerned about the civilian death toll under Israel’s bombardment and ground invasion.

www.nytimes.com...

Blinken admits too many civilians have been killed. Or otherwise murdered by the IDF

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

People dint differentiate between the crimes committed by Hamas and the IDF. They are hideous crimes and crimes against humanity.

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
Sure. Non combatants are allowed to be slain willy nilly in a combat zone.

They aren't being slain willy nilly.

They are being killed because Hamas and the 'palestinian' supporters attack Israel and then hide behind the civilians as cover. They are being killed ON PURPOSE by Hamas and the 'palestinians'. They love big civilian death numbers. It's good for their propaganda that useful idiots in the west just suck up.

What a load of hooey. The ‘Israelies’ are just lazy and don’t want to seek out and close with the enemy, kill or capture them.

Instead they lob bombs. Weak, but what can really be expected from arabs who can’t accept themselves for what they are?

The sooner they realise who they truly are and assimilate into their homeland the quicker the hatchet can be buried and this cowards conflict can be sorted out.

At the moment their delusions of exceptionalism are being fed by the narrative.

Any they commit war crimes one after the other.

Wow, you’re back already to spread more genocide rhetoric, nice👍🥱

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: gortex

So? Their report is accurate. You want it from other sources? No problem.
The Gaza death numbers are completely unreliable. The math says so.

Abraham Wyner, a professor of Statistics and Data Science at the Wharton School, has done an analysis on the claims by Hamas about the death totals. And his conclusion is that the numbers are bogus.

Hamas’ Gaza death toll stats are pure fiction

Wyner’s critique is damning: The daily reported death tolls rise in a straight line, about 270 a day — which makes zero sense, since in any war, some days see far greater fighting and bombing than others.

Plus there’s no correlation between the reported numbers of children and women slain each day (when most kids are surely near their mothers) or between the numbers of women and men.

Also, the ministry claims that 70% of the dead are women and children, while Hamas admits to losing 6,000 of its (male) combatants — which would mean that almost no male civilians have been killed.

The obvious conclusion is that the ministry is just (clumsily) making it all up. It’s definitely not presenting real info gathered from across Gaza.

The graphs and the math are at the link -

Hamas's Gaza death toll is exaggerated or faked, statistics expert claims

A professor of Statistics and Data Science at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, Wyner provided a detailed analysis of the data from the Gaza Health Ministry, which showed that they had, at the very minimum, been doctored – and at worst, completely faked.

Wyner first tackles the total reported deaths, which he shows climbed by 270 plus or minus about 15% every day. This, he says, is statistically impossible: "There should be days with twice the average or more and others with half or less." "The graph of total deaths by date is increasing with almost metronomical linearity," he says – meaning at a regular rate, like a metronome.

"Most likely, the Hamas ministry settled on a daily total arbitrarily," he concludes. "We know this because the daily totals increase too consistently to be real. Then they assigned about 70% of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed."

He also highlights that by Hamas's own admission, 6,000 Hamas fighters have been killed, which if combined with Hamas's data on deaths, shows that 20% of the total deaths are combatant while 70% are women and children. This implies that "Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters."

In conclusion, he says, "The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated.

How Hamas "Gaza Health Ministry" Fakes Casualty Numbers

Here’s the problem with this data: The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters.

Not only do official Palestinian death counts fail to differentiate soldiers from children, but Hamas also blames all deaths on Israel even if caused by Hamas’ own misfired rockets, accidental explosions, deliberate killings, or internal battles. One group of researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health compared Hamas reports to data on UNRWA workers. They argued that because the death rates were approximately similar, Hamas’ numbers must not be inflated. But their argument relied on a crucial and unverified assumption: that UNRWA workers are not disproportionately more likely to be killed than the general population. That premise exploded when it was uncovered that a sizable fraction of UNRWA workers are affiliated with Hamas. Some were even exposed as having participated in the Oct. 7 massacre itself.

The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians.

Nobody knows how many have been killed but there are far too many as accepted by all sides and even the most senior diplomat in the US has admitted it repeatedly.

www.nytimes.com...

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said on Friday that “far too many Palestinians have been killed” in Gaza, in the latest indication that the Biden administration is growing increasingly concerned about the civilian death toll under Israel’s bombardment and ground invasion.

It refutes your claim. I don't know why you keep trying to convince the audience there haven't been many civilian deaths when Antony Blinken says the opposite.

Hey, welcome to ATS! Word of advice, try not to be a douche bag or you might get banned, it happens to some real douche bags and it's always a good rule NOT to be that guy.

Now, can you give a rought estimate of how many killed in GAZA were HAMAS and other terrorist groups waging war against Israel? It will help to grasp the sheer horror of what's going on with the children. Afterall, it's all about the kids, right?

I cannot give a number but as Blinken said there are far too many civilians killed in Gaza. When the top US diplomat admits it then you know how serious the situation is.

is it 10,000 people serious, or 20,000 people serious? It's vitally important to understand the context, and so far, you and the others who rage against all the killing (while forgetting about the killing that started this war) don't seem to have any clue as to how many of those you cry for were innocent, and how many were bloodthirsty rapists and killers. I'd be ashamed if I was crying over the death of a rapist, I'd rather put the bullet in his head myself.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: LarwtB

Are you trying again to justify the murders of thousands of innocent Palestinians?

If Hamas that sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping on Oct 7 would have surrendered instead of using human shields, they would still be alive.

Who pressed the launch button? If your son dies in a drive by shooting because they were standing next to a gangbanger who would get charged for murder?

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

And war crimes are committed.

would it be considered a war crime to invade a neighboring nations, and rape and kill 1300 people?

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

People dint differentiate between the crimes committed by Hamas and the IDF. They are hideous crimes and crimes against humanity.

Oh but grasshopper, some of us can and do. Although, I get it if you’re struggling with a single digit IQ and can’t think for yourself. 🤷‍♂️

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: network dude
Hey, welcome to ATS!

That's the alienborg/Leviathan4/Venkuish1 troll.
He's not new. He's been banned at least 20 times that I know of.
Twice just yesterday. An obsession. He needs help.

You are still obsessed with the poster.
You are the one who is trolling the threads and propagandising 24/7 running from the thread to thread to justify the the murders of innocent people in Gaza and the crimes committed by Israel. You spend too much of your time but the problem is you are not on the right moral side.

Don’t post about other members.

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

And war crimes are committed.

Yes, hamas has committed a lot of war crimes. What are your thoughts on those?

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
Sure. Non combatants are allowed to be slain willy nilly in a combat zone.

They aren't being slain willy nilly.

They are being killed because Hamas and the 'palestinian' supporters attack Israel and then hide behind the civilians as cover. They are being killed ON PURPOSE by Hamas and the 'palestinians'. They love big civilian death numbers. It's good for their propaganda that useful idiots in the west just suck up.

What a load of hooey. The ‘Israelies’ are just lazy and don’t want to seek out and close with the enemy, kill or capture them.

Instead they lob bombs. Weak, but what can really be expected from arabs who can’t accept themselves for what they are?

The sooner they realise who they truly are and assimilate into their homeland the quicker the hatchet can be buried and this cowards conflict can be sorted out.

At the moment their delusions of exceptionalism are being fed by the narrative.

Any they commit war crimes one after the other.

Wow, you’re back already to spread more genocide rhetoric, nice👍🥱

That's what the Zionists say and those who blindly support Israel.

a reply to: LarwtB

Blinken admits too many civilians have been killed. Or otherwise murdered by the IDF

Lol same thing you were saying yesterday before you got banned. Blinken is a propagandist tool, I don’t trust or believe a damn thing that comes out of his mouth.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower civilian casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

Both sides are capable of and reportedly do commit war crimes.

The difference is one is a recognised terrorist operation and the other is a member of the international community being aided and abetted by countries who should leave the arabs to their regional dispute.

Alternatively the international community could recognise Palestine as a member and negotiations could be held in the appropriate forums instead of the school yard he said she said horsedung that’s being slung around to cover up an ongoing campaign of attrition.

The arab ‘israelies’ are like the golden child who can do no wrong. It’s pathetic and grotesquely obscene.

originally posted by: Zeyin

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
.that's what the 22 killings of innocent Palestinians are.
It's mass killings of civilians including 18 children.

Hang it up dude. You are looking desperate.
You said you used those exact words because the article did.
I showed that the article did not.
You fibbed. And now you are squirming. Not pretty.

If you don't have anything to debate I understand your position.

It didn't change the story and the mass killings of civilians in just one incident.
Imagine how many more have died since then.

You quoted what could be a false story. Palestinian civilians are also Hamas soldiers….including children.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
Sure. Non combatants are allowed to be slain willy nilly in a combat zone.

They aren't being slain willy nilly.

They are being killed because Hamas and the 'palestinian' supporters attack Israel and then hide behind the civilians as cover. They are being killed ON PURPOSE by Hamas and the 'palestinians'. They love big civilian death numbers. It's good for their propaganda that useful idiots in the west just suck up.

What a load of hooey. The ‘Israelies’ are just lazy and don’t want to seek out and close with the enemy, kill or capture them.

Instead they lob bombs. Weak, but what can really be expected from arabs who can’t accept themselves for what they are?

The sooner they realise who they truly are and assimilate into their homeland the quicker the hatchet can be buried and this cowards conflict can be sorted out.

At the moment their delusions of exceptionalism are being fed by the narrative.

Any they commit war crimes one after the other.

Wow, you’re back already to spread more genocide rhetoric, nice👍🥱

Callous and hollow. Every human being is an emanation of the creator experiencing the creation, your lack of empathy is retarding your experience.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: FlyersFan

People can’t grasp the fact that during war civilian casualties happen. The ones that don’t are usually gullible, easily manipulated and brainwashed by in this case a one sided media. If they haven’t figured out by now that the reported numbers are bogus, then all is lost on them. Yes, there’s actually people stupid and gullible enough to believe that hamas is telling and reporting the truth, they just can’t let go of the “genocide” narrative they’ve been manipulated into believing. They can spew the “mass women and children death rate” rhetoric all they want but the truth be known, they don’t know and don’t have a clue about what is actually going on over there. They refuse to see that this war has a normal to lower casualty rate than other wars. They basically fall into the useful idiot category at that point.

Just ask them what they think about hamas’s war crimes and they’re to stupefied to answer because it means they have to look at their “genocide” narrative completely different. They don’t want to admit that their narrative might just be wrong. Got to love the power of a manipulative media and a ignorant audience, it’s a bad combination.

And war crimes are committed.

would it be considered a war crime to invade a neighboring nations, and rape and kill 1300 people?

I’ll take crimes against humanity for 1k Alex😁

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
Sure. Non combatants are allowed to be slain willy nilly in a combat zone.

They aren't being slain willy nilly.

They are being killed because Hamas and the 'palestinian' supporters attack Israel and then hide behind the civilians as cover. They are being killed ON PURPOSE by Hamas and the 'palestinians'. They love big civilian death numbers. It's good for their propaganda that useful idiots in the west just suck up.

What a load of hooey. The ‘Israelies’ are just lazy and don’t want to seek out and close with the enemy, kill or capture them.

Instead they lob bombs. Weak, but what can really be expected from arabs who can’t accept themselves for what they are?

The sooner they realise who they truly are and assimilate into their homeland the quicker the hatchet can be buried and this cowards conflict can be sorted out.

At the moment their delusions of exceptionalism are being fed by the narrative.

Any they commit war crimes one after the other.

Wow, you’re back already to spread more genocide rhetoric, nice👍🥱

Callous and hollow. Every human being is an emanation of the creator experiencing the creation, your lack of empathy is retarding your experience.

Nope, just not as stupid as some that believe everything they’re told by the media is the truth. You don’t know me to judge me. Enjoy your bubble.

I'd rather put the bullet in his head myself.

That’s perfectly reasonable. You wouldn’t see a rapist in a crowd, close your eyes and spray and pray.

Nothing wrong with punishing a perp, but punish the perp and not his whole community.

a reply to: network dude

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: LarwtB

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
Sure. Non combatants are allowed to be slain willy nilly in a combat zone.

They aren't being slain willy nilly.

They are being killed because Hamas and the 'palestinian' supporters attack Israel and then hide behind the civilians as cover. They are being killed ON PURPOSE by Hamas and the 'palestinians'. They love big civilian death numbers. It's good for their propaganda that useful idiots in the west just suck up.

What a load of hooey. The ‘Israelies’ are just lazy and don’t want to seek out and close with the enemy, kill or capture them.

Instead they lob bombs. Weak, but what can really be expected from arabs who can’t accept themselves for what they are?

The sooner they realise who they truly are and assimilate into their homeland the quicker the hatchet can be buried and this cowards conflict can be sorted out.

At the moment their delusions of exceptionalism are being fed by the narrative.

Any they commit war crimes one after the other.

Wow, you’re back already to spread more genocide rhetoric, nice👍🥱

Callous and hollow. Every human being is an emanation of the creator experiencing the creation, your lack of empathy is retarding your experience.

Nope, just not as stupid as some that believe everything they’re told by the media is the truth. You don’t know me to judge me. Enjoy your bubble.

Correct. I can only interpret what you post 🤷🏽‍♂️