Israeli strikes on southern Gaza city of Rafah kill 22, mostly children, as US advances aid package

a reply to: Lazy88

Clearly you dismissed the source above

www.cnn.com...

The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7.

Nothing has changed regardless of the attempts to downplay the matter. The UN says there are more than 35,000 dead people. If you consider the meeting and those under the rumble even more so.
CNN and everyone else will not be able to verify anything until the end of the war. These are estimates but the true number is likely to be higher and not lower.

originally posted by: Mwawa
I know you are trying to downplay the number of deaths in Gaza and argue they have been exaggerated ...

I"m not 'trying' anything. I'm stating facts.

Hamas lies. Hamas doesn't know how many are dead. Hamas exaggerates civilian deaths for it's own propaganda reasons and useful idiots eat it up and repeat it. Hamas calls terrorist deaths 'palestinian civilian deaths'. Hamas numbers claiming most of the deaths are women and children have been debunked, they are statistically impossible.

And no, the UN doesn't know how many are dead either. NO ONE DOES.

Civilians die in war. Hamas doesn't care how many civilians die, in fact, they like it when civilians die. They purposely put civilians in harms way so that when they die Hamas can use their deaths as propaganda for useful idiots to get uptight over.

DON'T YOU EVER SLEEP.
YOUR OBSESSION WITH THIS TOPIC AND ATS IS ASTOUNDING.

originally posted by: Mwawa
a reply to: Lazy88

Clearly you dismissed the source above

www.cnn.com...

The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7.

Nothing has changed regardless of the attempts to downplay the matter. The UN says there are more than 35,000 dead people. If you consider the meeting and those under the rumble even more so.
CNN and everyone else will not be able to verify anything until the end of the war. These are estimates but the true number is likely to be higher and not lower.

Literally from your own source…

CNN cannot independently verify the ministry’s numbers. The ministry does not distinguish between casualties among fighters and civilians.

www.cnn.com...

The number was reduced because the UN says it is now relying on the number of deceased women and children whose names and other identifying details have been fully documented, rather than the total number of women and children killed. The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count.

www.cnn.com...

But it’s known the numbers are BS from the Palestinian Authority.

Again. The Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion on Oct 17. A misfire Gaza militant rocket hit the hospital parking lot and it was reported 500 people were killed.

Hamas lied that it was an Isreal air strike. Using satellite and video investigation, it was more likely there was less than 100 casualties.

a clear example of Hamas right out lying, pinning deaths on Isreal not caused by them, inflation the number of dead by a factor of at least 5.


Hamas lies. Hamas uses human shields.

a reply to: Lazy88

"Gas chambers and the hundreds of concentration camps which starved, tortured, and eliminated Jews by disease, is repeated today in the Gaza concentration camp — the largest concentration camp in the world

“Death chambers and ovens have been replaced in Gaza with tons of bombs that destroys all in their path. Gaza has become a death camp,” Weiss said, condemning Zionism as racist colonialism.

“Conflating Zionism and Judaism is an unforgiveable crime to the Jewish people, to the Palestinians and to humanity,”

You can't dismiss a Holocaust survivor and many more Jews who clearly say Israel has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

www.greenleft.org.au...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Mwawa
I know you are trying to downplay the number of deaths in Gaza and argue they have been exaggerated ...

I"m not 'trying' anything. I'm stating facts.

Hamas lies. Hamas doesn't know how many are dead. Hamas exaggerates civilian deaths for it's own propaganda reasons and useful idiots eat it up and repeat it. Hamas calls terrorist deaths 'palestinian civilian deaths'. Hamas numbers claiming most of the deaths are women and children have been debunked, they are statistically impossible.

And no, the UN doesn't know how many are dead either. NO ONE DOES.

Civilians die in war. Hamas doesn't care how many civilians die, in fact, they like it when civilians die. They purposely put civilians in harms way so that when they die Hamas can use their deaths as propaganda for useful idiots to get uptight over.

DON'T YOU EVER SLEEP.
YOUR OBSESSION WITH THIS TOPIC AND ATS IS ASTOUNDING.

That's what all apologists do. Try to apologize on behalf of Israel. We have heard the excuses before but they are very convincing. Israel has lost support globally and lost the information war long time ago.

originally posted by: Mwawa
That's what all apologists do. Try to apologize on behalf of Israel.

I don't apologize. Israel has nothing to apologize for. I'm stating facts.

DON'T YOU EVER SLEEP.
YOUR OBSESSION WITH THIS TOPIC AND ATS IS ASTOUNDING

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Mwawa
a reply to: Lazy88

Clearly you dismissed the source above

www.cnn.com...

The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7.

Nothing has changed regardless of the attempts to downplay the matter. The UN says there are more than 35,000 dead people. If you consider the meeting and those under the rumble even more so.
CNN and everyone else will not be able to verify anything until the end of the war. These are estimates but the true number is likely to be higher and not lower.

Literally from your own source…

CNN cannot independently verify the ministry’s numbers. The ministry does not distinguish between casualties among fighters and civilians.

www.cnn.com...

The number was reduced because the UN says it is now relying on the number of deceased women and children whose names and other identifying details have been fully documented, rather than the total number of women and children killed. The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count.

www.cnn.com...

But it’s known the numbers are BS from the Palestinian Authority.

Again. The Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion on Oct 17. A misfire Gaza militant rocket hit the hospital parking lot and it was reported 500 people were killed.

Hamas lied that it was an Isreal air strike. Using satellite and video investigation, it was more likely there was less than 100 casualties.

a clear example of Hamas right out lying, pinning deaths on Isreal not caused by them, inflation the number of dead by a factor of at least 5.


Hamas lies. Hamas uses human shields.

We have heard these arguments but they can't help Israel now that it is accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity or even genocide.

www.independent.co.uk...

Brazil's president accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza, doubling down after earlier uproar
Brazil’s president has alleged that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians

a reply to: Lazy88

And it can't get any worse!
From day to day mire revelations and more accusations!

www.jewishnews.co.uk...


A young community rabbi and Jewish educator working at New North London Synagogue is under internal investigation for branding Israeli politicians “war criminals who have forced Palestinian families to flee their homes”.

Another Jewish person (in London) has branded Israeli Politicians as war criminals! Brave I would say but now she has to apologise to the synagogue because she will be ostracized if she doesn't.

She is saying the truth though.

a reply to: Mwawa


Vs? Reality.



And if you want to get technical.

Hamas by definition people want to use has committed “genocide” years now from suicide bombing in Israel in the 1990’s, rocket launches into Israel for years in the tens of thousands, to the illegitimate attack on Israel on Oct 7 breaking a cease fire.

Where people were oddly quite about “genocide”.


Now people are pissy because Isreal is fighting the elected government of Gaza that illegally uses human shields purposely increasing risks to civilians, and is known and proven to lie.

Clown world.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I think it's a group and they pass the account off to whoever is on shift. I've seen other accounts that post 24 hours a day and you could kind of tell changes in writing styles throughout the day. I haven't checked this one for that because this person is not here to help poor Palestinians this person is just pushing their agenda/propaganda.

So the OP, and the OP's account has been booted as being illegit.

Why is this thread still here?

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
So the OP, and the OP's account has been booted as being illegit.

Actually ... that obsessed idiot has been on here with 7 different accounts,
all of them banned.

And with every account he failed to address the fact that Hamas lies and that the entire premise of this thread can not be counted on to be true or not.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
So the OP, and the OP's account has been booted as being illegit.

Why is this thread still here?

I know you are trying hard to censor debate and fre speech but I didn't think you have guys managed it quite well no matter how many people were ejected from this platform for not siding with Israel and it's campaign.

South Africa accuses Israel of committing acts of genocide in the Gaza Strip in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, which defined and prohibited genocide. South Africa brought the case by invoking its "obligation to prevent genocide" as a signatory to the United Nations Genocide Convention.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Anyrven

Back again so soon?

a reply to: FlyersFan

It must be like "Whack a mole" for the Mods.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Back again so soon?

UPDATE ... Make it 8 different accounts the obsessed idiot has gone through on this thread. Pretty sick.

The bottom line is ... the strike on Rafah may have killed 22 children, but it equally may not have. The information is coming from Hamas and they have a history of lying and inflating numbers and calling dead terrorists 'palestinian children'. So no one knows if the story in the opening post is true or not.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Back again so soon?

UPDATE ... Make it 8 different accounts the obsessed idiot has gone through on this thread. Pretty sick.

If they can't be honest with HOW they post information...they aren't being honest with WHAT information they do post.

Again, I ask the mods...WHY is this thread still up after the OP account has been shown to be illegit?

a reply to: Anyrven

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Back again so soon?

UPDATE ... Make it 8 different accounts the obsessed idiot has gone through on this thread. Pretty sick.

The bottom line is ... the strike on Rafah may have killed 22 children, but it equally may not have. The information is coming from Hamas and they have a history of lying and inflating numbers and calling dead terrorists 'palestinian children'. So no one knows if the story in the opening post is true or not.

In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s."

en.wikipedia.org...

The IDF gives a 2:1 ratio.
Netanyahou gave a 1:1 ratio.

It's more realistic to use the 2:1 ratio and it could be even higher if we were to consult non Israeli Forces.

Netanyahou said 14,000 combatants killed.

Netanyahu has repeatedly said the military is on track to eliminate Hamas, and in an interview with Dr. Phil on Friday claimed that 14,000 Hamas fighters have so far been killed. Israel estimated Gaza to have 30,000 fighters

www.cnn.com...

If we use this number we get to around 42,000 killed altogether. 14,000 combatants and 28,000 civilians. Of course these are all estimates but I am using the numbers given by Netanyahou and the IDF. It could be much worse.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
Again, I ask the mods...WHY is this thread still up after the OP account has been shown to be illegit?

If you want mod action you have to hit the alert button and tell them that this obsessed idiot has been on here with 8 different banned accounts and that you think the thread he started should be closed. They can't read all the threads. Gotta' help them out.