US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana in a historic shift, AP sources say

a reply to: daskakik

From what I remember from my studies on the Era, the war against it was because the counterculture movement wasn't exactly "popular" within the halls of the Establishment.

Everyone sitting around on sidewalks stoned out of their gourd harassing people trying to go to work and go about their daily business being constantly assaulted by Hippies asking for handouts and shoving flowers in their faces.

Terrance McKenna covered it more extensively in Food of the Gods, about how the popularity of mind expanding substances was creating and uncomfortable shift in the Social Dynamic of the day.

I confess I read a lot of literature on the effects of various psychoactives well before I decided to experiment in college, so I was well versed on what to expect, and what to avoid.

Unfortunately, during my tenure on various college and University campuses I saw more than my far share of naive and impressionable youth getting pulled into subversive ideological movements and dangerous indoctrinations under the guise of certain agent provactuers looking for pawns in their personal pet projects.

The most common were the kids who would interrupt discussions spounting conspiracy theories about "how the Government is controlling you, maaaaaaaaaaan" and the next thing you know these kids are all hyped up throwing molotov cocktails at made up phantasms in the name of "liberation" and "freedom".

In the 60's it was very common to have similiar counterculture gurus get kids burnt out on drugs to have a steady supply of "free love" and STD's spread like wildfire as well as made up New Age Philosophies that lead to no end other than to serve the deisgns of the Guru's little love pad.

Oh sure, it wasn't as severe at the Manson Family everywhere you looked, but a lot of traditional families didn't like having their kids drop out of their college educations in favor of doing drugs and thinking that the world was all rainbows and puppies.

And if I recall correctly, there was also a war going on at the time and stoned out free love hippies do not make for good soldiers.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not picking sides even though my choice of vernacular might indicate otherwise, but drug use on that scale out and open in the public was new to the social experiment, and I'm running out of space here about all the ends and out of it.

Long story short, these days Marijuana is more likely to be used theraputically as a buffer for the environmental stressors inherent in the modern age.

They've had enough time to study the benefits of legalization, and most people just stay home away from the overstimulation of the outside world, order in Doordash, stare at their computers, make impulse purchases and engage in all manner of distraction (or self improvement and creative pursuits) online.

It's a win win.

I don't smoke myself anymore but I did notice the last time I did, I found myself making random purchases I didn't really want or need and just ended up donating to charity.

I don't know where the impulse came from, but it came from somewhere, my mind was in a receptive state and I obidiently followed though with the suggestions that entered into my mind.

I'll dispense on my theory of subtle influence and various mind control techniques, but you get the gist.

Get stoned. It's good for the economy.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
From what I remember from my studies on the Era, the war against it was because the counterculture movement wasn't exactly "popular" within the halls of the Establishment.

But isn't that the same establishment you were referring to in your post as wanting to make "people more passive and docile, and easier to influence and control."

If they had put ads out promoting its benefits, like they did with cigarettes, people would have bought into it.

It wasn't just hippies that would have been using it, many working class people might have smoked a joint after work instead of stopping at the liquor store for a six pack on the way home.

originally posted by: daskakik

It wasn't just hippies that would have been using it, many working class people might have smoked a joint after work instead of stopping at the liquor store for a six pack on the way home.

True, but they've never had a problem with people using drugs and still being productive citizens.

Everyone knows that the cops are more lenient if you're on the down low and not causing trouble in the community.

That's why no one flipped out over finding the coke baggie in the White House.

There's a difference between someone using drugs towards productive ends and those who end up causing problems on it.

Different personalities, different biochemistries, different value systems.

We all know they tend to go after the lower classes harder than they do the upper ones.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES
That was kinda the point. Marijuana was made illegal in the 30's long before the hippies.

They could have done what they are doing now a hundred years ago.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

"Long story short"
Too late 😀

a reply to: DoubleDNH

They do...but its a desert still so a week or so after you buy it...which if you didn't know what you buy is already usually months old after drying and curing, as it takes time to send off for testing then back then to the dispensary. Only then does it go to you. I know its a bit nit picky, and I do enjoy being able to just go to the store and buy what I need woth no stress and no hassle...blackmarket sucked in comparison...well except the price that is. Pro-tip if you get an agent card here thats all you need for industry discounts, and it only costs 250$ to get, which can be up to 40% off.

a reply to: daskakik

Well, if I recall correctly marijuana usage back then was popular with the African American communities and in order to demonize the substance and discourage fraternization between the whites and the blacks, they put forth Reefer Madness as a propaganda piece.

It's always been a political #show when it comes to intoxicants in this country.

Prohabition plus one.

Control.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES
But your first post said it was something they are doing now for control, so why would they not only discourage it but make it illegal back then. It wasn't like control wasn't on the agenda.

Like someone said earlier, it was more about industry. I can see the cotton, paper and even the booze industries pitching in to demonize it.

ETA: I guess what I am saying is that you are over simplifying it.

sorry i'm late to the conversation, this is great news, i heard about this a few days ago from other sources and increased some of my holdings on marijuana stocks!

a reply to: watchitburn

They didnt wait, im not a biden fan (not a fan of any corporate lacky tbh) but they have been on this since about a month after being sworn in. It is under the effort of the biden admin that the FDA wropte to the DEA last year in support of rescheduling, but again this about corporate sponsorship and profiteering, NOT freedom...

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

When it was legalized in Massachusettes there were blanket pardons given for all minor offences of possesion.

a reply to: Vermilion

it is no coincidence but your looking at it from the wrong(?) perspective...

Harris was receiving heavy donations from the companies that run "for profit" prisons, these were easy convictions.

a reply to: RickinVa

This is the false rheotric of true mass hysteria, there are no carcinogens in Marijuana and it actually, scientifically prooven by reproducing results in a lab, inhibits cancer growth.

a reply to: daskakik

It was originally attacked because marijuana was popular with Jazz Musicians and certain people didn't like the idea of whites getting too close and friendly with that demographic.

They made an entire movie demoninzing marijauna called Reefer Madness.

It's a cult classic because it's so over the top with it's protrayal of whites smoking a joint and the next thing you know they've lost their minds and are running around on killing sprees.

American History is widely available on the internet in regards to this subject, you just have to take the time to look for it.

I hope I don't come off as condesending, there are still schools and outdated textbooks in districts across the Nation that gloss over these facts in order to reinforce a safe and sanitized sense of the American Landscape where everything was perfect all the time and nothing horrible ever happened.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES
Yeah, I know about reefer madness. It was made as a film to get parents to talk to their children about the danger of the devil's lettuce, before being bought and re-edited as an exploitation flick.

You keep missing the point, you made it seem like the endgame was control, all I said was they wouldn't have made it illegal if that is what they want and it would have been the same back then as well. Sometimes it is just about money.

Like someone said earlier, making it illegal was backed in large part by William Randolph Hearst. I'm sure the brewers and distillers who had a dent put in their profits during prohibition, which ended in 1933, were more than happy to support the movement to make this competing product illegal.

a reply to: datguy

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

When it was legalized in Massachusettes there were blanket pardons given for all minor offences of possesion.

Well here in New Jersey we are Still in the " Dark Ages " Concerning Pot Use and the Law . The Fines that the State takes in Over Marijuana Busts Now over the Last 100 Years has Filled the Pockets of Many of N.J. Politicians . Unless the Tax Benefits of Full Legalization Exceed that of N.J. Law Enforcements Fine Revenue , I do not see what Mass. has Done working out here .

a reply to: daskakik

Well control and profit kind of goes without saying.

Destroy the ozone layer to sell more sunscreen kind of thing.

It's a sick sad world.

We're on the same page here.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Well control and profit kind of goes without saying.

Destory the ozone layer to sell more sunscreen kind of thing.

We're on the same page here.

Kinda, but they don't always happen together and the control isn't always the same type.

I think in this case, seeing that industrial hemp got swept along, it was more about profit and not so much about the control you hinted at in your original post. Control over a market (a monopoly) is one thing but you were talking about control at a personal level.

The thing is that they couldn't make the move against industrial hemp on its own because there is no vice element to it, real or perceived. They had to demonize the recreational version to hit the industrial version.

How it is not legal in FL blows my mind.

Look.

No one, not one person, ever OD'd from pot. No one ever committed a murder unless is was on a salad bar at Wendys in 1992.

It should have been decriminalized a long time ago.

Everyone should be able to grow 8 plants a year. Feds should charge like a fishing license. 500 bucks.

130 million say they have gotten high at one point.

13 million could buy a license. 6.5 billion dollars. Money to battle Fentanyl. Outreach programs for Meth.

They are looking for things to tax and the US government knows they can tax on growth and sales. Double Dip.

Bastards...

amd mexicans wearing zoot suits smoking alot of weed way back 1920's

they made the law to discourage them as well



a reply to: GENERAL EYES

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

From what Information i have gathered over the Years , the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 essentially Banned it Nationwide for Industrial and Medical purposes despite objections from the American Medical Association related to Medical Usage . In 1936 , Dupont Corporation had just started Developing Nylon and Lobbied in Washington to have the Federal Government Replace Hemp Rope used for U.S. Navy Ships with their New Product Nylon . On the Domestic Stage , Marijuana was Demonized by Harry Anslinger in the Media at the Time , and Propagandized that Mexican Migrant Workers entering the U.S. were Abusing the Plant and allegedly Spreading it's Use among Caucasian Youth . From that time , Marijuana has been Considered a " Gateway " Drug to other Serious Drug Use to this Day .


A Deliberate Manipulation of the Public for Decades now Must come to a Sensible End Finally .

a reply to: datguy

", but again this about corporate sponsorship and profiteering, NOT freedom...
"

NATURAL GAS leaks like a sieve from pump to your stove at every joint, JUST CANNOT SMELL IT until it gets to pumpimg supply station where they add chemical
natural gas is 30x more potent than co2 greenhouse gas,

FRACKING uses highly pressurized underground in ALL DIRECTIONS, cracking bedrock into smaller and smaller pieces with TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BARRELS of highly toxic chemicals (slippery agents to help gas flow) and great place to ILLEGALLY DUMP tons of toxic waste...

now,.... all it takes on top of earth is heavy rains to get heavy MUDSLIDES taking entire side of mountain with it... now we are fracturing the very bedrock holding us above a giant lava pit (magma layer) with super slippery chemicals, ALREADY CAUSING EARTHQUAKES where there were none.... goto science lab and lookup LIQUEFACTION when sand or earth swallows so much liquid, a light shaking will instantly swallow us up... and we are past due for a very big quake ,

revelations talks of a biblical one.
other phrophecy says THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WILL SEE SOUTHERN STARS,... nasty catyclysm, and not one rock shall be upon another, and one says mountains crumble into the sea with hills made low....

sorry, a bit off track there, but, NATURAL GAS all about the MONEY
F*CK THE CLIMATE and about CONTROL...
can cutoff your entire countries supply with 1 button mouse clickk
no storing 5 gallon jugs in your shed anymore..

we will be treated like gazans soon

originally posted by: RickinVa
Pretty sure this gets tossed around every election.

It's an attempt to pander to pot smokers that usually gets "talked about" but nothing ever changes

You know , Since the " Dawn of Time " Homo Homo Sapiens have had a " Creator " Give them in their Creation a Unsatiable Desire to Augment their Consciousness through Discovered Natural Substances that Somehow in their Eyes Open Up New Avenues to their Average Way of Thinking about the Uncomprehensible Lot they are in with their Very Lives . Why should this Desire be Decreed Unlawful by TPTB at Any " Time " during Man's Existence ? Never seemed " Right " to me ........

It's all about the hemp.....