Common Sense Gun Legislation

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You, and others, seem to keep ignoring the part of the article stating that they are required to take a mandated training course before being allowed to carry said firearm in school.


Also, if you were to look into the link I provided for Sookie, you would see that all of that can be handled by USCCA, and is covered by your insurance through them.

There is no way a teacher can train mentally and strategically against a shooter with an AR-15 and whatever other firearms they bring to the school. Isn't it like bringing a knife to a gun fight?

Common sense.

You can't say that around here, you might offend those without it

I am imagining a lone teacher without a bulletproof vest/no physical protection/no police/combat training with a linited repeating handgun facing an AR-15 bulletproofed vested shooter with nothing to lose, what do you envision?

a teacher with a CCW hearing the shots coming from a room down the hall and approaching that room with weapon drawn, and the will and intent to shoot the person with the firearm. It's a better option than cowering in the corner waiting for the Uvalde Police Department to wait for the real cops to come save you. (since we are using worst case scenarios for this talk)

The bulletproof corner wall is akin to a panic/safe room and how long will it take for the cops to arrive - are there no shooting protocols in place in towns and cities?

a reply to: quintessentone

There is no way to teach anyone every possible scenario that could play out in an active shooter situation. You are just being unrealistic to try, again, to make your point.

What is to stop the shooter from getting to a room before they deploy your "bulletproof wall" and take kids hostage? What then?

how about you think logically and know that most schools are already taught to keep kids away from all doors and windows in these situations, therefore making it impossible for the shooter to get a kid to use as a shield before being relieved of half of his skull by a teacher with a ccw.

a reply to: quintessentone

how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

There is no way to teach anyone every possible scenario that could play out in an active shooter situation. You are just being unrealistic to try, again, to make your point.

What is to stop the shooter from getting to a room before they deploy your "bulletproof wall" and take kids hostage? What then?

how about you think logically and know that most schools are already taught to keep kids away from all doors and windows in these situations, therefore making it impossible for the shooter to get a kid to use as a shield before being relieved of half of his skull by a teacher with a ccw.

The bulletproof corner wall is locked in place and can't be breached, so this would be the first and best course of action to be taken IMO. Then if an armed teacher wants to take it upon themselves to face the shooter then that is their choice because nobody else will be harmed within the chaos.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Ask the parents if they are willing for their tax dollars to go to protect their kids in schools then force governments to funnel that money where the people want it to go. I know it's a strange and new idea.

nvm

a reply to: quintessentone

But again, why make other pay more money for something that will cost nothing to do?

Bullet to the skull of an active shooter is way cheaper than "bulletproof walls"

And what for the first classroom the shooter gets to that ahs no time to activate their "bulletproof wall"?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

a reply to: quintessentone

How are they supposed to activate said wall in such chaos?

think about it?

You are making any effort to be against something so logical, why is that?

Why are there so many here that are so apposed to someone willing to put their life on the line to save a child? It blows my mind

originally posted by: grey580


Studies have shown that school shooters have thought about suicide or attempted and failed. It seems that many are counting on not leaving alive.

That's not the point. Correct, most of them don't care about dying.

But they do want to take a lot of people with them, which is why they choose gun-free zones.

They purposefully choose targets where they will meet little to no resistance so they'll be able to kill a lot of people.

That's why this would be a deterrent, not because they're afraid of dying.

The only opposition to this comes from people whose only knowledge of guns and tactical situations comes from Hollywood.

People who obviously have zero clue what they're talking about should not be listened to. This issue is too important to cave to people with the intellectual prowess and worldview of a 7 year old.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

yes, please do think about it. And also factor in the chance of an armed teacher being able to stop a shooter from killing anyone else, as opposed to being able to do nothing, because you aren't allowed to carry on school grounds. And let me know what you come up with.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

How are they supposed to activate said wall in such chaos?

think about it?

You are making any effort to be against something so logical, why is that?

Why are there so many here that are so apposed to someone willing to put their life on the line to save a child? It blows my mind

Nobody is opposed to a teacher stepping up to take on a shooter, that is their choice with the proper training or not. My stance is safety and protection of children and staff first, then have at him.

The corner bulletproof and storm proof walls are activated in 10 seconds.

This video explains how government officials are approaching this problem.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

Real life gun fights don't go like the movies.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

Real life gun fights don't go like the movies.

Absolutely they are not and that's why preparedness and safety for the children and staff should be deal with first and foremost because nobody can be totally prepared for that type of scenario(s).

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

yes, please do think about it. And also factor in the chance of an armed teacher being able to stop a shooter from killing anyone else, as opposed to being able to do nothing, because you aren't allowed to carry on school grounds. And let me know what you come up with.

Take the children/staff out of the situation, then have at him, is what I come up with.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Shooting to wound is not ever the smart play...if doesn't stop the lethal threat you intended to stop and likely will get you shot back. Not to mention you can still easily die from a leg or arm shot of the wrong artery its hit.

Some of your have a real hollywood view on shootings here...

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Shooting to wound is not ever the smart play...if doesn't stop the lethal threat you intended to stop and likely will get you shot back. Not to mention you can still easily die from a leg or arm shot of the wrong artery its hit.

Shooting to wound can also result in you facing charges in some jurisdictions.

A gun is considered deadly force, regardless of where you aim. If you shoot for the leg, it can be argued in court that you didn't feel mortal danger, and were therefore not in a situation where you could legally use deadly force.

Anti-gun extremists should not be listened to on these issues. They do not know the first thing about these issues. Their lack of knowledge can literally get people killed or wind you up in prison.

Gun control nuts are consistently the least-informed people on either side of any US political issue.

And they actually value their ignorance. How many times have you seen a rant from an anti-gun extremist start with "I don't need to know about guns to know we need [insert hare-brained gun control scheme that wouldn't work]"?

They are fanatically opposed to getting educated on the issues.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You, and others, seem to keep ignoring the part of the article stating that they are required to take a mandated training course before being allowed to carry said firearm in school.


Also, if you were to look into the link I provided for Sookie, you would see that all of that can be handled by USCCA, and is covered by your insurance through them.

There is no way a teacher can train mentally and strategically against a shooter with an AR-15 and whatever other firearms they bring to the school. Isn't it like bringing a knife to a gun fight?

If a teacher being armed can stop or even slow down a school shooter then mission accomplished.
It’s bringing a gun to a gunfight.
Common sense.

The shooter will mostly likely have a bulletproof vest on and how many bullets will the teacher have to get the job done while trying to dodge the AR-15 bullets?

What the shooter has is irrelevant.
Can only plan to be skilled and armed.
The only way to stop or slow down a school shooter is a good guy with a gun.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again,how are schools supposed to get funding for these "bulletproof walls"? Take more funding away from the teachers that are already on shoestring budgets?

Armed teachers cost the schools nothing but some paperwork

Armed teachers facing a shooter with children and other staff running around in chaos ? think about it.

Real life gun fights don't go like the movies.

Absolutely they are not and that's why preparedness and safety for the children and staff should be deal with first and foremost because nobody can be totally prepared for that type of scenario(s).

So have the armed teacher get the shooter to agree to a timeout while the unarmed staff and children evacuate?

The shooter is gonna be there regardless. Having no one armed to combat them is inherently more dangerous than any movie shootout you're imagining where a bystander could get hit in the crossfire.