If you are going to Prison, think about your gender

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

I can make it easy for you, and with some deep thought, you might be able to grasp this. Rape is a crime. It's illegal. If it happens, the "rapist" should be tried and convicted, and if found guilty, jailed. That is the proper avenue for anyone who rapes. Be it prison guard, your neighbor Bob, or that Dude in a dress who is pretending to be a chick so he can ogle little girls in dressing rooms. I think a bullet would be much more expedient, but that might be a bit extreme. (they don't let me make the rules, that might be a good thing)

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

The system mixes in sexual offenders with people with learning disabilities, that only accommodates whom?

Putting criminal men into women’s prisons doesn’t accommodate women.
Even people with learning disabilities can understand that.
It’s quite simple.

Putting sexual predators in any prison system doesn't help anyone, except the system because it's cheaper and easier.

There are other class action suits against the system, including Cali:

Colorado's case comes amid a growing number of lawsuits across the country aimed at improving access to gender-affirming care and safety for incarcerated trans people. In a landmark 1994 case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prison officials' "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's safety concerns violates the Eighth Amendment's "cruel and unusual punishments" clause. Since then, incarcerated trans people have won legal cases against prison administrators in Washington, Georgia, California, and Idaho.

And while a handful of states, including Colorado, have written policies regarding gender-affirming care and surgery, the barriers to accessing care are often insurmountable — an issue the consent decree hopes to address. California became the first state to establish policies on gender-affirming medical care in prisons, providing gender-affirming surgery starting in 2017. In 2019, a three-judge panel ruled that the state of Idaho was required to perform a surgery officials had previously denied. One incarcerated person in Colorado has had gender-affirming surgery, according to a Department of Corrections spokesperson.

www.cbsnews.com...

Imagine if all transwomen in women's prisons were granted the surgery they want.

wait, we have a winner here!!!!

you claim you are trans, and want to be put in a women's prison, super. Lay it on the table, and we can lop that sucker right off here and now. That solves the issue. And I thought you were nothing but a DERP. wow. Well done.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: network dude

There are no such problems in Russia.

Yes, and I believe I understand the reason. Ya'll didn't let the inmates run the prison. here, we put the clown in charge of the circus, and they decided to take it a bit past the gates of the big top. It will take a lot of Mr. Clean to wash this off.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

The system mixes in sexual offenders with people with learning disabilities, that only accommodates whom?

Putting criminal men into women’s prisons doesn’t accommodate women.
Even people with learning disabilities can understand that.
It’s quite simple.

Putting sexual predators in any prison system doesn't help anyone, except the system because it's cheaper and easier.

There are other class action suits against the system, including Cali:

Colorado's case comes amid a growing number of lawsuits across the country aimed at improving access to gender-affirming care and safety for incarcerated trans people. In a landmark 1994 case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prison officials' "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's safety concerns violates the Eighth Amendment's "cruel and unusual punishments" clause. Since then, incarcerated trans people have won legal cases against prison administrators in Washington, Georgia, California, and Idaho.

And while a handful of states, including Colorado, have written policies regarding gender-affirming care and surgery, the barriers to accessing care are often insurmountable — an issue the consent decree hopes to address. California became the first state to establish policies on gender-affirming medical care in prisons, providing gender-affirming surgery starting in 2017. In 2019, a three-judge panel ruled that the state of Idaho was required to perform a surgery officials had previously denied. One incarcerated person in Colorado has had gender-affirming surgery, according to a Department of Corrections spokesperson.

www.cbsnews.com...

Imagine if all transwomen in women's prisons were granted the surgery they want.

wait, we have a winner here!!!!

you claim you are trans, and want to be put in a women's prison, super. Lay it on the table, and we can lop that sucker right off here and now. That solves the issue. And I thought you were nothing but a DERP. wow. Well done.

I agree, have them transition all the way, but again if they don't get their meds, even with winky gone, they can still rape - there are many ways to do that, but, again, the sexual violent assaults are not being addressed within the prison system. Your tax dollars not at work. Once a sexual violent predator always a sexual violent predator, but that's not to be a generalization for all trans people as you seem to want the narrative to be.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: network dude

There are no such problems in Russia.

Yes, and I believe I understand the reason. Ya'll didn't let the inmates run the prison. here, we put the clown in charge of the circus, and they decided to take it a bit past the gates of the big top. It will take a lot of Mr. Clean to wash this off.

I am sure the problems in Russian men's prisons are never talked about, revealed or studied.

a reply to: network dude Two genders simple Male - Female

a reply to: quintessentone

once you lop off your junk, it's clear you are committed to the cause. So sure, give them whatever they need to "feel like a woman".

a reply to: network dude

Have you ever considered that polite consideration could be of use?
It is YOUR thought process that creates this dilemma. If this trans issue had never been an issue then possibly these current problems would not be a problem.
People like you created this by outing others as freaks and geeks. You only have people like you to thank for your own problems.
Stop making cry baby threads about issues that have had absolutely zero impact on your life aside from you having misplaced anger.
You project alot dude

a reply to: budzprime69

People like you created this by outing others as freaks and geeks.

LoL
I suppose the freaks and geeks deserve no credit?
These aren’t just any freaks and geeks we’re talking about in this thread.
These are criminal freaks and geeks.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: budzprime69

People like you created this by outing others as freaks and geeks.

LoL
I suppose the freaks and geeks deserve no credit?
These aren’t just any freaks and geeks we’re talking about in this thread.
These are criminal freaks and geeks.

Are you asking if I give a pass to criminal activities?
If so you would be sadly dissatisfied.
Please make this clear. I really don't want to make a rebuttal that would cause a unnecessary response.

originally posted by: Vermilion

This is part of the Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA). LoL
This is evidence that they prefer women get raped in women’s prison instead of these men ,who think they’re women, getting raped in men’s prison.
Once again the tranny mafia smashes the rights of real women.
When will the women say enough is enough?
Do the men need to put their foot down, say enough is enough, and do it for them?

The part I do not understand is how prisons can get away from not providing a safe environment for all? When a person goes to prison on his sentence it doesn't say you will be raped/beaten weekly, does it? In any other situation, even in the jail or back of a police wagon one can sue the state, but it seems in prion you can't.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I can see how how certain situations with imprisonment can seem very weird to some. There is very little protection when behind bars.
I could explain how all that works but not on this thread.
And for many here who don't know much about it.....a ladies prison is not what many would think it is. They are very much locked up more and actually has the unintended consequence of very nasty things that go on unreported.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Exactly this! It's a serious mental health issue.
Outlaw trans surgeries and lock up the lunatics for treatment, and most of all stop grooming our youth to encourage impressionable young minds to question their own gender identity when it otherwise wouldn't happen.

a reply to: texas thinker


That speak should sound familiar for those that know history.
How about we lock up those like you that view others as less?
Think Tex

originally posted by: budzprime69
a reply to: texas thinker


That speak should sound familiar for those that know history.
How about we lock up those like you that view others as less?
Think Tex

We used to lock up lunatics.
Now we just let them roam the streets, run for president, etc.
Things were better when the sick got treatment instead of street life.

a reply to: Vermilion

I fully agree with you to some degree. Maybe we could work on how those treatments got administered.

The woke have a major problem which causes other innocents to suffer and that's the fact that inmates are crafty and call themselves anyrhing that will give them better treatment.
For example many convert to islam in jail.

No, not because they suddenly like it, but muslims get certain perks orhers don't.
Its well known.

How many of the men who suddenly become trans, just do it to get free reign in a women's prison?
Imagine a sexual deviant can put on a wig and lipstick and is then transferred to a place full of the victims of his choice can't escape him.
Even worse, nobody is allowed to point this out because the woke have created some rule where pointing out the obvious makes you a 'hater'.

Somehow that is now worse than going round raping women.

Someone hates women. A lot; and it's always men.
Especially men who dress up as women and claim they are them...

How absolutely mad is that?

If you have a phobia of your own body or a dissociation, there is something wrong with your psyche.

Why not acknowledge this and make accommodation for these people like we do with other mental illnesses, instead of trampling all over women and lying that a male can be a female?
They can't. Best they can do is appropriate and pretend act.
Why should women suffer for that?

It's absurd.

originally posted by: budzprime69
a reply to: Xtrozero

I can see how how certain situations with imprisonment can seem very weird to some. There is very little protection when behind bars.
I could explain how all that works but not on this thread.
And for many here who don't know much about it.....a ladies prison is not what many would think it is. They are very much locked up more and actually has the unintended consequence of very nasty things that go on unreported.

I have a good idea of how prisons work, but we need to understand they work that way because that is how we build them. Go to a Japanese prison and they are much different, and so are federal prisons. In the end, the prison is responsible for your safety, but we seem to overlook it. The funny part is some guy dies in the back of a cop van and it is "Oh the horrors" some guy dies in prison, and no one cares, could be the same guy.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

It appears the abuse is towards transwomen in prisons not the other way 'round, at least in Colorado, but it stands to reason that violence and abuse against all transwomen in prisons is the norm.

Colorado is poised to become the first state to offer “transgender women” inmates their own segregated housing units thanks to a class-action lawsuit.

“We were targets for victimizing, whether it was sexual assault, extortion, you name it,” Murphy told the Post at the time. “The guards just looked the other way.”

www.bizpacreview.com...

There ya go, problem solved for all issues.

Why not have prison just for trans then?Why does perverts entering women's prison not bother you?Believe me perverts will use this route by pretending to be trans.

I was in a women's prison converted to men, Pleasant Valley State Prison in Chowchilla. You could see that they had taken more care for privacy concerns like a private shower and bathroom for a 6 man dorm. Really it was a cell, six angry males inmates trapped together for a month on lockdown because of fentanyl. In Prison they like to group people together, for say protection or safety, but they can get lawsuits that say your discriminating against them, like sex offenders, or gang members. It was the worst prison I ever went to...try for firecamp if you or your loved ones ever find prison.

I for one would've loved to have tried any alternative to men's prison. I hate being surrounded by a bunch of male idiots, and I think this is indicative of the sexual repression that is foundational to the US. The taboo around sex and its industry in the US has created a black market for our sexual desires, when I believe in an open society sex should be celebrated and honored like the Greek statues, but showing some skin? oh no, it is like the double standard, or reverse phycology of the argument. The results are more rapists, more prisons, and an entire nation fundamentally devoid of common love.

Wouldn't it be great if you could prevent rape? How would that work? Sexworker EBT? haha lol but ya.

Its time for co-ed re-education camps. We never address the foundational cause of our issues, but rather stir the surface to create waves for the appearance.

Better to demolish the prisons and use something more akin to house arrest.

And I'm someone who finds the entire LGBTQ+ movement to be a political tool, it basically abuses and debases anyone who won't get in line with their radical agenda, of something that really is just private moments between individuals, not for public discourse, The TPTB want us all to argue over meaningless dribble, while the elite take us on a joy ride of war and worldwide poverty, even in the US.