If you are going to Prison, think about your gender

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: quintessentone

Almost 45% of trans convicts incarcerated for sexual assault

And 40% of transwomen in men's prisons are sexually assaulted, by inmates and guards. What's your point?

I believe the point is, Karma is alive and well.

Read this:

www.msn.com...

Prison culture of abuse and cover-ups.

I believe nobody is protecting women inmates from anybody.

they certainly aren't protecting women inmates from dudes in dresses, which was the point of this very thread.

I posted on page 1 that Colorado will be segregating transwomen for their protection as well as women's protection should the prison system fail to ensure transwomen get their meds, and other prisons will follow suit. That is addressing the problem you have but you continue to fail to see the other side of the coin. Abuse is rampant in prisons, no matter your gender.

So, if you are going to prison - get a good lawyer.

sorry if I didn't comment as you wanted me to. I think segregation of trans folk is a fantastic idea. It should transcend prison, and be used globally. The normies just don't understand the trans thing, so put them somewhere special, and those who wish to be around them can, and those who don't have a choice.

See, common ground.

And the lawyer advice is good, but my idea gets you laid, so there is that.

Now how do you segregate prison guards that rape women?

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: quintessentone

So transgenders are an...

understudied but overrepresented population.

Sounds like a few different groups I know.

Tell them to get in line.

Next.

That quote was specifically from a prison study.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: quintessentone

Almost 45% of trans convicts incarcerated for sexual assault

And 40% of transwomen in men's prisons are sexually assaulted, by inmates and guards. What's your point?

Almost 45% of trans convicts are incarcerated for sexual assault.

So, they are *in prison* because they committed sexual assault themselves!

The irony is deep and delicious on this one.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: quintessentone

Almost 45% of trans convicts incarcerated for sexual assault

And 40% of transwomen in men's prisons are sexually assaulted, by inmates and guards. What's your point?

I believe the point is, Karma is alive and well.

Read this:

www.msn.com...

Prison culture of abuse and cover-ups.

I believe nobody is protecting women inmates from anybody.

they certainly aren't protecting women inmates from dudes in dresses, which was the point of this very thread.

I posted on page 1 that Colorado will be segregating transwomen for their protection as well as women's protection should the prison system fail to ensure transwomen get their meds, and other prisons will follow suit. That is addressing the problem you have but you continue to fail to see the other side of the coin. Abuse is rampant in prisons, no matter your gender.

So, if you are going to prison - get a good lawyer.

sorry if I didn't comment as you wanted me to. I think segregation of trans folk is a fantastic idea. It should transcend prison, and be used globally. The normies just don't understand the trans thing, so put them somewhere special, and those who wish to be around them can, and those who don't have a choice.

See, common ground.

And the lawyer advice is good, but my idea gets you laid, so there is that.

Now how do you segregate prison guards that rape women?

charge and convict them? Just a WAG. (wild ass guess)

Round up all the men who think they’re women from the men’s and women’s prisons and put them in their own prison.
That prison will have the same nastiness as the regular men’s prison.
It would change nothing.
They belong in men’s prison.
They are men.

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: quintessentone

Almost 45% of trans convicts incarcerated for sexual assault

And 40% of transwomen in men's prisons are sexually assaulted, by inmates and guards. What's your point?

Almost 45% of trans convicts are incarcerated for sexual assault.

So, they are *in prison* because they committed sexual assault themselves!

The irony is deep and delicious on this one.

How many other supposedly heterosexual-identifying inmates are in there for sexual assault too - got any numbers?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

The system mixes in sexual offenders with people with learning disabilities, that only accommodates whom?

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...#:~:text=Among%20those%20with%20a%20mental%20disorder%2C%20sexual%20victimization,of%20sexual%20victimization %20than%20their%20non-Hispanic%20white%20counterparts.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

The system mixes in sexual offenders with people with learning disabilities, that only accommodates whom?

Putting criminal men into women’s prisons doesn’t accommodate women.
Even people with learning disabilities can understand that.
It’s quite simple.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

What do you think the DSM in DSM-5 stands for?

2nd

I am specifically talking about trans people not gender dysphoria, transgender is not classified as a mental illness nor a disorder any more and that is what we are talking about here, transwomen in women's prisons; not people with gender dysphoria in prisons. Got it?

People who think they are the opposite sex are mentally ill.
We don’t need a shrink to tell us that.

I have a giant problem sacrificing the safety of women just to appease some mentally ill men.
Why don’t women have that same problem?

Yet women being raped in prison by guards is not an issue?

This thread is about some stupid California bill and trannys.
This has nothing to do with corrections folk.
Start a new thread on it if you like.

This thread's underlying truth is about everyone's safety within a prison environment not just women and men, but the mentally ill and trans people too. You see the problem is with the system not accommodating anyone.

The system already accommodates the two sexes.
Men go to men’s prison and women go to women’s prison.

The system mixes in sexual offenders with people with learning disabilities, that only accommodates whom?

Putting criminal men into women’s prisons doesn’t accommodate women.
Even people with learning disabilities can understand that.
It’s quite simple.

Putting sexual predators in any prison system doesn't help anyone, except the system because it's cheaper and easier.

There are other class action suits against the system, including Cali:

Colorado's case comes amid a growing number of lawsuits across the country aimed at improving access to gender-affirming care and safety for incarcerated trans people. In a landmark 1994 case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prison officials' "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's safety concerns violates the Eighth Amendment's "cruel and unusual punishments" clause. Since then, incarcerated trans people have won legal cases against prison administrators in Washington, Georgia, California, and Idaho.

And while a handful of states, including Colorado, have written policies regarding gender-affirming care and surgery, the barriers to accessing care are often insurmountable — an issue the consent decree hopes to address. California became the first state to establish policies on gender-affirming medical care in prisons, providing gender-affirming surgery starting in 2017. In 2019, a three-judge panel ruled that the state of Idaho was required to perform a surgery officials had previously denied. One incarcerated person in Colorado has had gender-affirming surgery, according to a Department of Corrections spokesperson.

www.cbsnews.com...

Imagine if all transwomen in women's prisons were granted the surgery they want.

a reply to: quintessentone

I have a transgender sibling. I grew up with them, watching them go through the process. I happen to know exactly what I'm talking about and what this conversation is about and your attempt to disconnect transgenderism from gender dysphoria is only being done to try to disconnect the term "mental illness/disorder" from the term "transgender" because you have some inherent bias towards people with mental illnesses and disorders due to societal stigma. It is, by definition, a mental illness/disorder. If you have an issue with that, that's on you. Gender dysphoria is one of the primary indicators that a person is trans. Especially when the gender dysphoria is severe and long lasting. Marked incongruence between ones biological sex and their perceived/expressed gender is literally the definition of transgender. Distress caused by this incongruence is literally the definition of gender dysphoria. You're not doing trans people any favors by being dishonest or trying to protect them from basic definitions. Got it?

a reply to: quintessentone

The solution.
A law forbidding a penis be locked in a prison cell with a vagina,
in both men's and women's prisons.
Regardless of the person's self-perceived gender.
So the penis can be put in a womens prison if
they say/think they are a woman but still have a penis.
However, they may not be locked in a cell with a vagina
or at any time be in a room or area alone with a vagina in a prison,
and vice versa for transmen.

This is for EVERYONE's safety/privacy.

There should be laws that separate transwomen from other prisoners, both biological males and biological females.

There has been a long history of sexual abuse of women with vaginas in the US prison system. abcnews.go.com... Sexual abuse in womens prisons by penis' has long been ignored and not punished. www.npr.org...

Biological women should not be subject to punishment, as they are now, if they object to a transwoman in their cell. 80% of women in prison have been viciously attacked by a penis at some point in their lives. To punish them for begging not to be locked in a cell alone with a penis is misogyny and a hate crime toward people with vaginas. www.rainn.org... Just as vagina's in sports are told to shut up and punished if they speak out about how a penis on a womens team is unfair due to their larger musculature and bone structure and point out that serious injuries have happened as a result. www.reuters.com...

Putting a person with a penis and locking the door so a person with a vagina can not escape invites and has resulted in rape and pregnancy. nypost.com... www.nbcnews.com...


Transgender women who were convicted of raping a vagina have been locked in prison cells with their choice of victim in women's prison. www.cbsnews.com...

I understand the problem that women with a penis face if put in a men's prison. But women with vaginas face the same risk or an even greater risk of rape and sexual abuse locked in a prison cell with a women with a penis.

The worst is all the women who have been punished, yes punished for not wanting to be locked in a cell alone with a penis bearing woman.

Even though a liberal leftist judge ruled that girls have no right to bodily privacy
from a penis in school locker rooms,
but a girl with a penis does have a right to bodily privacy
from a penis in school locker rooms.
www.forbes.com... ?sh=73fb9472d540
Even though liberal leftists only believe that women with a penis
have the right to be safe from rape and sexual assault in prison
but women with vaginas must be roundly punished and sanctioned
if they ask to be safe from rape and sexual assault by a penis bearing person in prison.

I just went several rounds with an AI that is steeped in liberal Democrat philosophy.
It went totally wonky when I suggested that current policies are misogynistic in both prisons and sports.
It gave up arguing the liberal line and went on a wonky tangent.

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: quintessentone

I have a transgender sibling. I grew up with them, watching them go through the process. I happen to know exactly what I'm talking about and what this conversation is about and your attempt to disconnect transgenderism from gender dysphoria is only being done to try to disconnect the term "mental illness/disorder" from the term "transgender" because you have some inherent bias towards people with mental illnesses and disorders due to societal stigma. It is, by definition, a mental illness/disorder. If you have an issue with that, that's on you. Gender dysphoria is one of the primary indicators that a person is trans. Especially when the gender dysphoria is severe and long lasting. Marked incongruence between ones biological sex and their perceived/expressed gender is literally the definition of transgender. Distress caused by this incongruence is literally the definition of gender dysphoria. You're not doing trans people any favors by being dishonest or trying to protect them from basic definitions. Got it?

Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria, it's just that simple.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Not all transwomen are sexual predators, but if the prison system deprives them of their gender affirming care then serious problems can occur. It's a systemic societal problem and as I posted earlier, Colorado has found a solution with segregated housing units and I am sure others will follow suit. But those segregated housing units are to protect transwomen in prison not to protect the general population of women. Those women need protection from the male guards it appears.

www.prisonpolicy.org...

"STUMP" Don't want to Dull the AXE.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: network dude

If we are going to start sending men to women's prisons because they "identify as women", will there be someone waiting at the entrance with a large rock and an axe?

Sounds like a pretty easy solution to me, don't ya think?