DEI is a mens movement

originally posted by: frogs453
DEI is a new slur..

Cuz DEI sucks. It's racist. It's not fair. It's absolutely stupid.
It's far left political hackery that has infiltrated America.
Goes against what Martin Luther King Jr. used to preach about.
Paying attention to and judging character .. not skin color.
He'd never be accepted today.

originally posted by: Vermilion

You’re advocating for hiring the lowest common denominator pilots instead of the highest skill level pilots. LoL
Bravo 👎

I don't agree with how you word it. I would say that if you set non-skill limitations then you reduce the overall pool you can choose candidates from. Another way to look at it is if you are hiring 40 pilots and say 20 must be Black and only 20 Black pilots apply, they all get hired without a care for their skills. If the other 20 end up being White and 500 people apply, then you are going to pick the top 20 from a pool of 500.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: frogs453

You’re advocating for hiring the lowest common denominator pilots instead of the highest skill level pilots. LoL
Bravo 👎

How did you get that out of what she said?

She said the complete opposite.

a reply to: frogs453

Judge Katanji Brown according to ATS an incapable DEI hire.

Ketanji can’t tell you what a women is.
She either….
A) she doesn’t know what a women is.
B) she is so politically driven that she can’t answer honestly.

Either way that is totally disqualifying to be a Supreme Court Justice.
She is in fact a Justice now despite those facts, so she is a DEI hire 100%.

a reply to: FlyersFan

What are your thoughts on the mayor of Baltimore being called a DEI hire simply based on a photo?

Do you honestly believe the people using phrases like that aren't simply using it as a replacement for the N-word?

a reply to: Vermilion

Define "woman."

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Vermilion

Define "woman."

Define “biologist.”

originally posted by: frogs453

Not at all. My comment was to a post stating "The concern with pilots/doctors etc. to suggest that they will hire based on that and not capabilities will lower the standards and create risks just like Musk said"


In my example how are standards lowered? And unless you can review each hires resume, you cannot assume they are less capable or not more highly capable than another applicant. Why is the assumption that if they are a minority they can only be of a lower capability?

Standards can be lowered because you are limited to the number of people based on an artificial non-skill-based requirement. If only one Black pilot applies, he will get hired no matter how good or bad he is.

You are applying a couple of incorrect assumptions here.

1. All pilots are equal in skills.
2. Companies are racist and wouldn't hire minorities without DEI.

They call a certain new congress person a DEI based hire as a slur, yet again, she was elected and a is a practicing attorney in comparison to one who had to take the GED multiple times to even get into her position and had clearly made comments that show she doesn't even understand basic civics. Certainly using the criteria in the above quote, the 2nd one, a white female is the DEI hire, yet no one is using it as a slur against her.

Not sure what you are referring too.

Judge Katanji Brown according to ATS an incapable DEI hire. Judge Comey- Barrett who never once tried a case? An upstanding hire.

Maybe they both suck, but we will not know as both sides limited their choices to females and the other even more to Black females.

Would you say both are the best America has to offer?

DEI also creates a cloud over the heads of minorities and Women. Did they get picked/hired because they were the best of xx candidates or did, they get hired because of a non-skill-based requirement?

a reply to: Vermilion

Funny how I've yet to get an answer to that question every time I've asked it. It's almost like it's more complicated than people belittling KJB make it out to be. Now factor in the fact that her opinion has the ability to affect millions of people. Could you see why she might want to use some prudence when approaching the topic?

a reply to: Xtrozero

DEI also creates a cloud over the heads of minorities and Women. Did they get picked/hired because they were the best of xx candidates or did, they get hired because of a non-skill-based requirement?

Can't we apply the same in reverse. Decades of research show that less qualified white men are more likely to be hired than more qualified minorities.

How are we to know the white guy that's getting hired is actually the best candidate?

Why is there only a cloud over the heads' of minorities when, historically, it's the white guy that's getting hired above his ability?

originally posted by: Degradation33

Some can take the Quora opinion which focuses on the controlled pay gap, I can trust the integrity of Forbes that the overall is still pretty f*cked.

We do not know in what context they are referring to. When we look at this "18.4% between the average annual salaries earned by women and men, with women earning $52,266 compared to men's $64,022." Is it the same job, same weekly hours, same everything they comparing?

It is suggested that men are willing to work more hours per week than women and are willing to do more dangerous/physical type jobs that can pay more too. I keep hearing about pay gaps, but my whole life I worked in small companies and very large companies, and pay scales are all the same.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
What are your thoughts on the mayor of Baltimore being called a DEI hire simply based on a photo??

Don't know anything about him, his qualifications, the demographics ... don't know if people voted for him because he's qualified or simply because he's black. I have no 'thoughts' on this matter. Don't know enough about it to make a statement.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
Define "woman."

XX = Woman.
XY = Man.

Very simple.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Vermilion

Funny how I've yet to get an answer to that question every time I've asked it. It's almost like it's more complicated than people belittling KJB make it out to be. Now factor in the fact that her opinion has the ability to affect millions of people. Could you see why she might want to use some prudence when approaching the topic?

Ketanji can’t tell you what a women is.
She either….
A) she doesn’t know what a women is.
B) she is so politically driven that she can’t answer honestly.

Either way that is totally disqualifying to be a Supreme Court Justice.
She is in fact a Justice now despite those facts, so she is a DEI hire 100%.

These are the facts.
She is a DEI hire.
Care to address this?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Degradation33

Some can take the Quora opinion which focuses on the controlled pay gap, I can trust the integrity of Forbes that the overall is still pretty f*cked.

We do not know in what context they are referring to. When we look at this "18.4% between the average annual salaries earned by women and men, with women earning $52,266 compared to men's $64,022." Is it the same job, same house, same everything they comparing?

It is suggested that all men are willing to work more hours per week than women and are willing to do more dangerous/physical type jobs that can pay more too. I keep hearing about pay gaps, but my whole life I worked in small companies and very large companies, and pay scales are all the same.

Makes sense.
Hard to compare apples to oranges.
Health insurance for women is much more expensive, as an example.

a reply to: FlyersFan

What about someone that has androgen insensitivity syndrome that presents in every physical way as female but has an XY chromosome?

Should the law consider them as men or women?

a reply to: Vermilion

I notice you still have not defined "woman." If it's so easy to present a definition of woman go ahead and do it?

a reply to: Threadbarer

This is a DEI thread.
Make a thread about the gazillion genders if you like.👍

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Xtrozero

DEI also creates a cloud over the heads of minorities and Women. Did they get picked/hired because they were the best of xx candidates or did, they get hired because of a non-skill-based requirement?

Can't we apply the same in reverse. Decades of research show that less qualified white men are more likely to be hired than more qualified minorities.

How are we to know the white guy that's getting hired is actually the best candidate?

Why is there only a cloud over the heads' of minorities when, historically, it's the white guy that's getting hired above his ability?

That is Annee's argument, but then she grew up in the 50s. I'll give you the same answer... I agree with you if we went back a good number of decades, even more so for women.

I would say past 2000 it has all been moot now as people hire to get the best they can. If they don't then they are only hurting their own company. The only discriminations today that are sneaky are age and health. Companies don't want the burden of unhealthy people.

a reply to: Vermilion

So in other words KJB used her experience as a public defender and realized that some overgeneralized definition could negatively impact marginalized populations, and asked for an exact definition that someone was trying to use in their argument, like a prudent jurist should do, and that makes her a DEI hire?

originally posted by: Threadbarer

What are your thoughts on the mayor of Baltimore being called a DEI hire simply based on a photo?

Do you honestly believe the people using phrases like that aren't simply using it as a replacement for the N-word?

They most likely are using it that way. Mayor no matter how much they suck is voted into office...not a DEI situation, and it was his third term. I would not say it's the N-word, but it is a slur.