DEI is a mens movement

a reply to: Degradation33

Also, the real number is about 1% not 18%.

The pay gap is, as I said, a myth.

And it's a myth that keeps some women from putting in the effort because they think they're doomed no matter what because "the system" or "the patriarchy" is against them, when that's completely false.

People who perpetuate this myth harm women.

You probably just weren't aware that it's a myth. On the other hand, most of the politicians and pundits who push this myth know it's fake.

Ask yourself why they're lying?

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

18% in 2023.
16% in 2024.

www.forbes.com...

Women earn 16% less than men on average.

Women earn just 84 cents for every dollar a man makes.

Women of color are among the lowest-paid workers in rural areas, with rural Black and Hispanic women making just 56 cents for every dollar that rural white, non-Hispanic men make.

Latinas are compensated just 55% of what non-Hispanic white men are paid in 2024.

Black women are paid 64% of what non-Hispanic white men are paid.

Native American women are typically paid only 59 cents for every dollar paid to white, non-Hispanic men.

A 20-year-old woman just starting full-time, year-round work stands to lose $407,760 over a 40-year career compared to her male counterpart

Or

The gender pay gap for entry-level positions is 18.4%
The pay disparity is also reflected in entry-level positions, where research from the National Association of Colleges and Employers shows a gap of 18.4% between the average annual salaries earned by women and men, with women earning $52,266 compared to men's $64,022.

Despite the push for equal pay for equal work, women continue to earn less than men in nearly every occupation, from entry-level positions to the C-suite. Even when controlling for job characteristics, women at the executive level still earn only 95 cents for every dollar earned by men, and in the uncontrolled group, the pay gap widens to 73 cents.

But that's overall, they cover the other side of that, which you bring up..

Of course Quora has a top "manosphere" answer, which also reflects the controlled gap angle:

Gender pay gap is a myth and is being used by feminists to show that women are still being oppressed. However, this is not true. There are various factors which contribute to pay gap. The factors are solely decided or rather chose by women themselves.

Some can take the Quora opinion which focuses on the controlled pay gap, I can trust the integrity of Forbes that the overall is still pretty f*cked.

originally posted by: AlexandrosOMegas

originally posted by: MauiWaui
a reply to: nugget1

If you're a male with male sex organs, you are not allowed to use the womens locker room and showers. If you've transitioned medically, fair game.

PRE BATHROOM PENIS CHECKS HERE! OVER HERE EVERYONE!

Maybe we should do like they do at dog shows and lift a leg and check the business down below. That would solve a lot of this.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Sure....
You go ahead and keep thinking that affirmative action was never needed and never had anything to do with the strategic placement of people of color in high government positions for political optics.

The problem with you is you are wide-brushing it to suggest every decision was based on AA/DEI just because the person is a minority and/or woman. I'm suggesting each one you selected was fully capable of gaining their success on their own merits. What you are saying is each one would not have accomplished what they did without DEI driving the decision, and that is just horse sh!t.

Now if you suggested Harris, I would agree she is weak and used her Black woman AA to achieve all she has done. She is not picturality skilled, liked, intelligent, and is a horrible speaker so what else did she have other than being a Black woman?

a reply to: Xtrozero

The problem with you is that you're a hypocrite and only agree that DEI was applied if it's someone you don't like.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xtrozero

The problem with you is that you're a hypocrite and only agree that DEI was applied if it's someone you don't like.

I worked on the affirmation report at one of my jobs.

It is very specific.

In management we had a "guy from Fiji" - a Native American - a black male foreman, my female boss was Japanese/Mexican.

But we did not have a black female in management. Got marked down significantly by the state. We had to create a position and recruit a black female.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The problem with you is that you're a hypocrite and only agree that DEI was applied if it's someone you don't like.

There it is.... A personal attack when your argument runs out of steam. So, are you suggesting I'm wrong with Harris, or should we go into how she sucked her way up the ladder? THEN took out the guy she used to climb... holy crap it's really bad, almost as bad as her not even getting 7% in her home state.

Please tell me you are suggesting her pick as VP was merit-based, and then compare her to Rice who today is the current director of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, but then oh that is DEI too, I guess by your logic.

a reply to: Xtrozero

There it is.... A personal attack when your argument runs out of steam.

You resort to personal attacks when realize your argument has reached a dead end, and you're desperate no to admit it. Like these posts in this thread.

...you seem to just post crap that really isn't true.

You just invent your own meanings to suit your purposes. Your choices were poor and to assume they were DEI is a little racist.

There you go stretching the meaning of something to fit your point when your original point sucked.

You just keep proving that you're a hypocrite who will only admit that affirmative action was used when it comes to people you don't like.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

...you seem to just post crap that really isn't true.

You just invent your own meanings to suit your purposes. Your choices were poor and to assume they were DEI is a little racist.

There you go stretching the meaning of something to fit your point when your original point sucked.

You just keep proving that you're a hypocrite who will only admit that affirmative action was used when it comes to people you don't like.

Those are personal attacks to say you are wrong? AA comes into play when a minority doesn't meet minimum standards or is picked over others who exceed them in scholastic accomplishments just to fill a quota. If a Black person goes to college at 14 or graduates 9th in their class from a distinguished college, they are not there because of their skin color.

Also, show me the document that the President is required to follow in filling out their staff...Show me the AA quotes they need to meet.

You also didn't defend Harris, so it seems you agree, but can't force yourself to say it because she is liberal.

As I said you are wide-brushing AA across everyone picked for whatever.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Your personal attacks are just you sputtering because you know you're wrong. LOL

Clarence Thomas was a DEI hire, and he HATES it that it's true. He was hired to replace the only other black to ever serve of the Supreme Court.

Colon Powel was a high-profile DEI hire and so was Condi Rice. Both of them were proud firsts of the Bush Administration. Powell was the first black man to serve as Secretary of State, and Condoleezza Rice was the first woman to serve as Secretary of State.

That's DEI/Affirmative Action, whether you like it or not.

And yes, Kamala Harris is a DEI hire. Biden promised to choose a woman of color during the primary.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

And yes, Kamala Harris is a DEI hire. Biden promised to choose a woman of color during the primary.

You never stop, I guess that is your superpower. You go on and on until your point becomes a broken record of meaningless repeatable statements and people just do not care anymore.

To say what you are pushing as wrong is not a personal attack, so don't try to play your attacks back on me.

My final point is that AA/DEI only comes into play if a person is MAINLY selected based on their minority status, or sexuality. The concern with pilots/doctors etc. to suggest that they will hire based on that and not capabilities will lower the standards and create risks just like Musk said, but then you are much smarter than Musk.

If you happen to be Black or let's, say a Black woman and you are selected while greatly exceeding requirements and capabilities over other selectees then AA/DEI is moot.

I have never hired Blacks or women based on AA/DEI, but that does not mean I'm not happy to see diversity in those areas as I tend to work in a very White male professional field.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You never stop

You're just talking about yourself and you're betraying your pathological need to have the last word, a word that says "I'm right and you're wrong".

DEI is old, been around since the 60's and the Civil Rights movement, but it didn't start to take off until around the 80s-90s, after the Hippies calmed down. It had to be a "top-down" public relations government show of support, and the Bush dynasty led the way.
(And Archie Bunder Accidentally kissed Sammy Davis Jr.)

I really don't care if you are aware enough or old enough to see and understand how DEI and Affirmative Action has affected society, or not. You're not going to bully or insult me into not seeing it.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

I really don't care if you are aware enough or old enough to see and understand how DEI and Affirmative Action has affected society, or not. You're not going to bully or insult me into not seeing it.

How am I attacking you or bullying you? You are the one throwing the slurs lol geez. I agree it’s been around a long time, so had Biden’s 3 strikes you are out law, both have been horrible, so longevity is not a good reason.

Liberals did it to placate minorities while suggesting they can’t do anything on their own. Another example is voter ID, you know Blacks can’t get ID. Things liberals and Biden say are direct insults and they don’t even know it.

We also have a large population within the lower middle class that make too much for benefits and are not a minority for AA/DEI so what about this extremely large part of our population that is the majority. They can’t afford college, can’t afford tutors, go to the same schools as minorities do, live pay check to pay check their whole lives.

I guess it’s just a F them attitude. DEI Didn’t Earn It is the point. When DEI comes into play it replaces others who did earn it, but are bump for the DEI person.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

I really don't care if you are aware enough or old enough to see and understand how DEI and Affirmative Action has affected society, or not. You're not going to bully or insult me into not seeing it.

Liberals did it to placate minorities while suggesting they can’t do anything on their own.

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That is complete BS.

As I’ve stated before. ALL laws/acts for equal rights and equality had to be FORCED.

Why? Because of people who think like you.

originally posted by: Annee

As I’ve stated before. ALL laws/acts for equal rights and equality had to be FORCED.

Why? Because of people who think like you.

I agree back in the 60s and earlier but not in 2024. As we moved forward through the decades it all became a carrots 🥕 to lead people with and that is what liberals do best, but people have learned that carrots can never be reached.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee

As I’ve stated before. ALL laws/acts for equal rights and equality had to be FORCED.

Why? Because of people who think like you.

I agree back in the 60s and earlier but not in 2024. As we moved forward through the decades it all became a carrots 🥕 to lead people with and that is what liberals do best, but people have learned that carrots can never be reached.

Well, thank you for that.

I use the Disability Act for my argument -- because it's the one I know.

TODAY -- just in reference to handicap parking spaces. People are rude, uncaring, and abusive.

Introducing a "Right by Law" does not change all people's behaviors or thoughts. Even over time some people choose "stuck" as they dig their heels in to any change.

We've taken steps forward, but it will take generations for Equal Rights to become the norm. It is still shocking to me that I was a senior in high school when the Civil Rights Act was passed. In my lifetime-- this equality had to be forced.

I absolutely 100% support DEI in public schools and consider it more valuable than forced academics.

Why this is about men? It's not. Other than the OP targeting transgenders.

What I have to say about gender differences. Personal responsibility.

It cracks me up when people say that pilots for instance if a DEI hire are substandard. American Airlines requires for ALL pilots:

FAA Commercial Pilot Certification with multi-engine and instrument ratings with 1500 hours.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate with no limitations (except for corrective lenses)
IFR Currency.
FCC License.
2 years as a First Officer.

People think that just because they are a DEI hire, that they make exceptions to these rules?

It's just an excuse for racism. DEI is a new slur. They are lambasting the mayor of Baltimore as a DEI hire. Hysterical, the man is an elected official. No one hired him. The public elected him.

a reply to: frogs453

You’re advocating for hiring the lowest common denominator pilots instead of the highest skill level pilots. LoL
Bravo 👎

a reply to: Vermilion

Not at all. My comment was to a post stating "The concern with pilots/doctors etc. to suggest that they will hire based on that and not capabilities will lower the standards and create risks just like Musk said"


In my example how are standards lowered? And unless you can review each hires resume, you cannot assume they are less capable or not more highly capable than another applicant. Why is the assumption that if they are a minority they can only be of a lower capability?

They call a certain new congress person a DEI based hire as a slur, yet again, she was elected and a is a practicing attorney in comparison to one who had to take the GED multiple times to even get into her position and had clearly made comments that show she doesn't even understand basic civics. Certainly using the criteria in the above quote, the 2nd one, a white female is the DEI hire, yet no one is using it as a slur against her.

Judge Katanji Brown according to ATS an incapable DEI hire. Judge Comey- Barrett who never once tried a case? An upstanding hire.

originally posted by: frogs453
It cracks me up when people say that pilots for instance if a DEI hire are substandard. American Airlines requires for ALL pilots:

FAA Commercial Pilot Certification with multi-engine and instrument ratings with 1500 hours.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate with no limitations (except for corrective lenses)
IFR Currency.
FCC License.
2 years as a First Officer.

People think that just because they are a DEI hire, that they make exceptions to these rules?

It's just an excuse for racism. DEI is a new slur. They are lambasting the mayor of Baltimore as a DEI hire. Hysterical, the man is an elected official. No one hired him. The public elected him.

What cracks me up is you do not have a clue about being a pilot. You posted the minimum requirements for an Airline Transport Pilot. Having the minimum doesn't mean you are a good pilot; I have seen a lot of scary pilots out there.

Do you also suggest if one has the minimum requirements for a doctor they are as good as any other doctor?

To be hired you go through interviews and simulator events to see what kind of pilot you are. Anytime you put in limits that have nothing to do with skillsets you will need to lower your requirements. Pick anything. Let's say I'm only hiring pilots between 5'9" and 5'10" 160 to 170 pounds and I need a bunch...Well, I will most likely hire them all within those ranges as long as they meet those minimums no matter how good or bad they are at flying.

If you limit your pool of people by creating artificial requirements you will not have the best pool to choose from.