Moscow Crocus Concert Hall Attack

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: TheMisguidedAngel

You do realize after the attack he shut everything down. So he can do it and did just to late to be useful.

That was the mayor of Moscow and not Putin and he didn't "shut down everything" he just said no large gatherings for the time being. The transit service, super markets and shopping malls were still open in Moscow today. I dont know if that "large gatberings" still in effect or not or long it will be because there were several large gatherings for the victims in Moscow today, one right near the Concert hall where 1000s turned out.

originally posted by: Phoenix
The back and forth on whodunnit here is an amusing endeavor as it really does not matter one wit nor does it matter what ideological position one has..........

Yet only if anyone accurately exposes the real culprit (ultimately*) behind this act of terror, this information and the person sharing it is heavily resisted on this website, ridiculed, discredited, or the information is painted as 'not important' ("does not matter") and attempts are made to paint their commentary as being off-topic and grounds for deletion/removal, suppression and censorship (luckily so far nothing has happened in that regards), or attempts are made to distract people from this information, to ignore it, or to think the very notion to be so far-fetched that it isn't worth one's time considering it, let alone discussing it or answering genuine and honest questions about it. Often by people who vote for those who pretend to be 'good Christians' by going to Church (especially during political and presidential campaigns) or happily accept the support of religious leaders who claim to be Christian (and thus supposedly adversaries of the one ultimately responsible for this act of terror in Russia as well as others, even though they never point to him or expose him in any accurate and honest manner), both in Russia or Western nations such as the US (both Trump and Biden pretending to be Christians and going to Churches during their political/presidential campaigns, and Putin + his government happily in collusion with the Russian Orthodox Church to garner support and political converts from its members; the same with Zelenskyy and the Ukranian Orthodox Church).

*: in the final analysis, the one pulling the strings from behind the scenes, both those strings attached to his puppet Putin, his puppets the terrorists, and those paid or voted in to prevent or take actions/measures against terrorism (who I like to remind you didn't prevent it or stop it on this occasion just like so many other times in so many other countries, could it have something to do with who they truly are working/slaving for? The same reason why this truthful honest information about "the ruler of this world", John 12:31, is so heavily resisted on this website by his puppets/slaves/pawns and victims here, as found in tiers 2-5 that I defined in my first comment in this thread).

Very telling for any real adversary of "the ruler of this world" and "god of this system of things" (2Cor 4:4) "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev.12:9). Any real adversary to this fella who does not fear his puppets/pawns/slaves to the point of just no longer talking about it or exposing him (the puppet master), and who does not fear to quote from the only book (source) in the world that accurately exposes his agenda, goals and motives and what he is responsible for concerning the subjects of terrorism, war, politics, religion, big business and what President Eisenhower* referred to as "the military industrial complex" (*: another puppet of this puppet master). The puppet master "of this system of things" is going down soon though, just like his system of things, the system (and Kingdom) that comes after that will set all matters straight, and this is "good news". 2 Cor 4:3-9:

If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination* [Or “light.”] of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is the one who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate them with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.

7 However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us. 8 We are hard-pressed in every way, but not cramped beyond movement; we are perplexed, but not absolutely with no way out;* [Or possibly, “but not left in despair.”] we are persecuted, but not abandoned; we are knocked down, but not destroyed.

The puppets as exposed in this only truthful and accurate source that reveals all secrets about the puppet master and his minions, puppets/pawns/slaves and victims (3 categories there, with some overlap, I will identify what is what between brackets, where needed when 2 or more categories are described; actually the term "victims" applies to all humans, and the term "puppets/pawns/slaves" applies to approx. 99.9% of the world's population, for most, it's unwittingly, for some it's not unwittingly though):

John 8:42-47 (Jesus speaking to Jewish religious leaders, who fall in the categories: puppets/pawns/slaves and to a lesser extent victims):

Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to* [Or “accept.”] my word. 44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Who of you convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it that you do not believe me? 47 The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”

Matthew 13:13-15 (Jesus talking about the puppet master's victims, and to a lesser extent puppets/pawns/slaves):

That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. 14 And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’

“For there will be a period of time when they [the victims] will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers [the puppets/pawns/slaves] to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4) [remember, just listing the primary category between brackets, both groups are victims of the puppet master pulling the strings. From now on I will just say "puppets"]

“So we should no longer be children [victims], tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men [puppets], by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“And stop being molded by this system of things,* [ Or “this age.”] [in essence becoming a victim] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2) [and becoming an adversary to the god of this system of things. Who will do anything to prevent that from happening, 'blinding the minds of the unbelievers'.]

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons [minions and puppets/slaves], by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies [puppets], whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

a reply to: whereislogic

Stop.

Just stop.

You're walls of biblical text make it hard for others to easily follow the thread.

originally posted by: Phoenix
The back and forth on whodunnit here is an amusing endeavor as it really does not matter one wit nor does it matter what ideological position one has..........

originally posted by: whereislogic

John 8:42-47 (Jesus speaking to Jewish religious leaders, who fall in the categories: puppets/pawns/slaves and to a lesser extent victims):

To clarify, by "to a lesser extent" I do not mean that the term "victims" applies less to them than the term "puppets/pawns/slaves", cause because they are humans, they are as much victims as other humans described in the expression about the puppet master "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev. 12:9). So that means that 100% of the world's population are his "victims". But because they work/slave so hard for him (as described by Jesus there at John 8:42-47), the description "puppets/pawns/slaves" is slightly more appropiate to describe them with or point out on that occasion (you can also describe them as the children of this puppet master, his "offspring", his "seed", Gen 3:14,15; which is basically what Jesus is doing there by identifying their true spiritual father, since at Gen 3:14,15 "the ruler of this world" and "god of this system of things" is symbolically described as a serpent, because of how he deceived Eve in the garden of Eden, Jesus on another occasion refers to the Jewish religious leaders as "offspring of vipers"; at Rev. 12:9 the one who is misleading all mankind is called "the great dragon", "the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan"). It works the same way wherever else in my comment I'm using those terms and categories.

Genesis 3:14,15

Then Jehovah God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity* [Or “hostility.”] between you and the woman [God's organization] and between your offspring* [Lit., “seed.”; i.e. his puppets/pawns/slaves] and her offspring.* [his adversaries, the true servants of Jehovah God, including in this case specifically Jesus Christ, see next sentence.] He [Jesus] will crush* [Or “bruise; strike.”] your head, and you will strike* [Or “bruise; crush.”] him in the heel.” (the last thing happened when Satan had Jesus executed by means of his conspiring and scheming offspring, his puppets, the Jewish religious leaders who pressured the Roman governor to do it for them, who actually wanted to let Jesus go. But because these Jewish religious leaders were so good at riling up the people to rebel against the Roman Empire, he was afraid to do that to avoid yet another rebellion; he still tried to use a loophole* to do it though cause he could find no crime committed by Jesus, he had come to the realization that Jesus was completely innocent of everything he was accused of, but the Jews chose the criminal and murderer Barnabas to be released instead. *: which involved a specific custom akin to the right of Presidents in the US to pardon convicted criminals.)

This entire comment, just like the one I'm clarifying here, is still about the puppet master who is ultimately responsible for the act of terror in Russia, and his puppets and victims by means of whom he executes such acts of terror or his will (agenda, goals) in general. Which includes all terrorism, war, politics, false religion and blood sucking business ventures such as "the military industrial complex" that President Eisenhower was talking about and their war profiteering (including the so-called "War on Terror", war against Hamas, Hezbollah, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia and supposedly providing "security" for the people, and of course the wars in and invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan and parts of Syria in the war against ISIS). Hence, it's all on-topic and connected. It's just further elaboration. Who serves who in the grand scheme of things. The bigger picture. The full picture.

The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Prov. 15:14)

The puppet master doesn't want you to do that. Makes his job (carrying out his agenda of misleading the entire inhabited earth) so much easier. That's why he likes to see his puppets, his offspring, make fun of long comments that expose him and his modus operandi (as well as that of his offspring). Encourage people (his victims) to not want to read all of it seriously (TLDR), thinking it over and 'getting the sense of it'. As described at Matthew 13:13-15 quoted in my previous comment. He prefers shorter attention spans especially for that information that exposes him. He prefers things that distract from any information that exposes him (or things that cause his victims to not want to "put up with" that "beneficial teaching" that exposes him and his offspring, 2Tim 4:3,4). So that people end up "always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Tim 3:5-7) Flooded with an overload of useless information that gets them no closer to figuring it out, true understanding. On ATS, that is demonstrated by over 26 million useless posts, most of which get many stars and do not risk removal, suppression or censorship; hook, line and sinker. He's got you right where he wants you. Getting your 'ears tickled' according to your conditioned desires as per 2Tim 4:3,4 (also quoted in my previous comment), and by the "teachers" described there and at Eph 4:14, 1Tim 4:1,2 and many more such texts (2Tim 3:1-9, which I partially quoted above is another one, 1Tim 6:20,21 is another, as is 1 Tim. 6:3-5).

There is a parable by Jesus about a rich man and someone named Lazarus, both representing classes of people. The rich man class representing those I've been calling puppets in my commentary, and the Lazarus class are the victims of both these puppets and their master, the serpent and its offspring/seed). This parable is often misrepresented by the serpents' offspring (his puppets) in Christendom (counterfeit Christianity, i.e. false religion) as being evidence for the existence of a fiery hell of torment (one of those "false stories"/myths mentioned at the end of 2Tim 4:3,4). And in so doing they are misled and kept from true understanding of the parable. Note how the behaviour of the rich man I will bold below is demonstrated by SchrödingersRat above (and has already been demonstrated by others here). I will have to skip a bit though, so you'll have to read up on that yourself if you can overcome the barrier that has been built around your minds and hearts described at 2Tim 4:3,4.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

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On the other hand, those who make up the rich-man class come under divine disfavor because of persistently refusing to accept the Kingdom message taught by Jesus. They thereby die to their former position of seeming favor. In fact, they are spoken of as being in figurative torment. Listen now, as the rich man speaks:

“Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in this blazing fire.” God’s fiery judgment messages proclaimed by Jesus’ disciples are what torment individuals of the rich-man class. They want the disciples to let up on declaring these messages, thus providing them some measure of relief from their torments.

“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you received in full your good things in your lifetime, but Lazarus correspondingly the injurious things. Now, however, he is having comfort here but you are in anguish. And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you people, so that those wanting to go over from here to you people cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us.’”

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The rich man next requests “father Abraham”: “Send [Lazarus] to the house of my father, for I have five brothers.” The rich man thus confesses he has a closer relationship to another father, who is actually Satan the Devil. The rich man requests that Lazarus water down God’s judgment messages so as not to put his “five brothers,” his religious allies, in “this place of torment.” [whereislogic: keep in mind that both scientism and nationalism are religions, these are the more popular religions adhered to by the ATS users that object to my commentary in a way that appeals to the moderators to remove this information from the site without spelling that out literally (also to influence the opinions and perceptions of any potential reader from the Lazarus class, their victims, about the information in my commentary). I may have quoted some secular sources such as The Encyclopedia of Religion on that matter, that these are religions, in this thread or another thread, but those comments may have been removed, suppressed, or censored.]

“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to these.’” Yes, if the “five brothers” would escape torment, all they have to do is heed the writings of Moses and the Prophets that identify Jesus as the Messiah and then become his disciples. But the rich man objects: “No, indeed, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them they will repent.” However, he is told: “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.” ... Luke 16:14-31

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originally posted by: whereislogic
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There is a parable by Jesus about a rich man and someone named Lazarus, both representing classes of people. The rich man class representing those I've been calling puppets in my commentary, and the Lazarus class are the victims of both these puppets and their master, the serpent and its offspring/seed.

edit: the Lazarus class also represents the adversaries "of both these puppets and their master", the original serpent and its offspring (his puppets). Actually, "adversaries" would have been more appropiate to point out concerning this particular parable and the Lazarus class, these are the ones they (the serpent and its offspring) hate the most.

The Lazarus class suffers the most from the terrorists (puppets/children/servants of Satan) in this world. These terrorists including:

- those terrorists who carried out this terror attack in Russia and other acts of terrorism across the globe, including the one by Hamas in Israel and the Taliban on 9/11 in the US (and their leaders, both religious and political; as well as those who pay them, much money of which moves through religious institutions, such as individual mosques funded by the wealthiest muslims as well as the poorest)

- politicians that push the fear and hatred buttons in those who could potentially vote for them and their promised attempts to provide "security" and "counterterrorism" measures, accompanied by their own fearmongering/terrorism for that purpose, to get their votes and support of increased expenditures for military and security, some specific examples are: Putin (and his government + prominent supporters such as those in the Russian Orthodox Church), Trump (and his team), Biden (and his team), and those who came before and will come after them in the US, and all other politicians who play the terrorism card in their country to fuel people's fears, hatred (incl. a need for revenge) and desire of increased expenditures for military and security. (or better counterterrorism measures, wars, invasions, bombings, etc.) All this while pushing the pride button as well (promoting national pride and racial pride for example).

- all those involved in counterterrorism, who stand to gain from increased fear, hatred and pride amongst the population of their respective countries, and consequently join the fearmongering/terrormongering/terrorism and pointing their fingers in the wrong direction when their own top level bureaucrats and intelligence officers were involved in the act of terror that they said they were going to prevent (where's the motive for them to do so if they get more money, a promotion, or less work by means of their bosses hiring more people if they fail to prevent terrorism? Or more toys to play with. Failing upwards. Just like the NSA, CIA and military after 9/11. All of whom have made massive gains since then, with individuals within these organizations making way more money than before, as terrorism is increasing. You can see a pattern here, more budget for these organizations or government departments = more terrorism succeeding in terrorizing the populous = more death and blood to satisfy the bloodlust of "the ruler of this world" and "god of this system of things". Could they be using that money to advance their own agenda? Which includes funding and training terrorist groups which the CIA has already openly admitted concerning Al Qaeda and the Taliban, even though they pretend that that was just in the past, supposedly they're not doing that anymore. Whose weapons and humvees were ISIS parading with some time ago in those videos from Iraq? You really want to believe those weapons and equipment weren't always intended to fall into their hands? What about those arms supplies that were delivered to the so-called "freedom fighters" in Syria, didn't most of those also fall in ISIS hands? Even mainstream news reported on it, but it was all supposedly by accident because these "intelligence" organizations supposedly didn't know that would happen or who they were dealing with, it was all so complicated, yeah sure.)

At the end of the video he's asking for examples, right here, this terror attack in Russia and every other example of terrorism I've been talking about. He explains a part of how all this works in just over a minute. Obviously, there's a lot more to it, which I've been elaborating on here (along with the real culprit behind this specific technique to 'mold people according to his system of things', Rom 12:2). The ones offering their solution (increased expenditures for military and security measures, more wars, invasions, bombings, etc.) are the ones who created the problem (terrorism) in the first place. 'Follow the money' for real for a change, those who gain or have gained the most after every succesful terror attack, are in league with the terrorists carrying out the attack physically, because they're all on the same team, team Satan (they don't even have to actively conspire to have this attack carried out; they can genuinely believe they're trying to do something about it, at least at the lower echelons of power, individual CIA or NSA agents, or whatever it's called in Russia or Israel. But they still end up serving the same puppet master, doing his bidding; and making gains, social or economic, for those in tier 3, and to a lesser extent, tiers 4 and 5; referring back to my first comment in this thread). Quick recap of the tiers:

The power hierarchy of this world:

Tier 1: "the ruler of this world" and "god of this system of things" (John 12:31; 2Cor 4:4)
Tier 2: his spirit pawns (1Tim 4:1)
Tier 3: his human pawns (1 Tim 4:2), divided into the group spoken of by Schumpeter (in the bolded part mostly, but the others count as well, so including both politicians and businessmen, or individuals satisfying their desires according to their 'love of self' and 'love of money'; 2Tim 3:2) and the leading figures in Babylon the Great/false religion ...; the term "victims" also becomes more applicable in this tier (there's some overlap here, victims are a bit less aware of who they are truly serving, the one in tier 1).
Tier 4: the human pawns that do the bidding of any of the pawns described one tier above (who can also be found on this website; these too fall under the category described at 1Tim 4:2, but are better described at 2Tim 3:1-9, 2Tim 4:3,4, Eph 4:14 and other such texts. Mind you, those described at 1Tim 4:1 are also on this website, by means of those described at 1Tim 4:2, many of whom have engaged in a few too many spiritistic practices, which opens them up to the influence of the ones described at 1Tim 4:1, and more than just influence; I do think there are less of the tier 3 variety on this website, cause they're too busy with enjoying the wealth and social benefits that the one in tier 1 showers them with, no time for commenting or moderating on this website, except when tier 2 makes them do so)
Tier 5: the masses, those who vote for the politicians in the first group I mentioned in tier 3, support the business ventures of group 1 in tier 3 (who in turn control the actions and decisions of those politicians as described by Schumpeter and others in the "War—Why?" article in Awake! magazine, 1986), or have fallen for the religions promoted by those I mentioned under tier 3 as the 2nd group (who are closely tied in with tier 2, ...

a reply to: whereislogic

What have any of your walls of nonsence biblical ramblings got to do with the thread and a terrorist attack, other than you trying to say the Devil/Satan did it.
The mods should delete them as off topic comments.

Ignoring the MANIC walls of twisted bible text ...


Interesting opinion piece.
I'm not saying it's a false flag, but this person makes a good case that it could be.

Why the Moscow Terror Attack Could Be A Putin False Flag Operation

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Ignoring the MANIC walls of twisted bible text ...


Interesting opinion piece.
I'm not saying it's a false flag, but this person makes a good case that it could be.

Why the Moscow Terror Attack Could Be A Putin False Flag Operation

That's an interesting theory and the timing is suspect because of protests against Putin and a 'look here, not there' would be a needed type of distraction. Did ISIS claim responsibility? For their purposes of recruitment don't they always claim responsibility?

originally posted by: quintessentone
Did ISIS claim responsibility?

Yes.

For their purposes of recruitment don't they always claim responsibility?

Yes.

Sometimes it's really them. Sometimes not. It's muddy.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: whereislogic

What have any of your walls of nonsence biblical ramblings got to do with the thread and a terrorist attack, other than you trying to say the Devil/Satan did it.
The mods should delete them as off topic comments.

Evidently they think they have an audience. Not sure why the posts aren’t removed to prevent topic drift?

I guess not from 9/11 and the incompetence of the US government. But isn’t Russia in a shooting war and has a geared up economy for military support, yet isn’t more on guard? With more security? Supposedly after Ukraine drone attack(s) on the Kremlin.

a reply to: Lazy88

yet isn’t more on guard? With more security? Supposedly after Ukraine drone attack(s) on the Kremlin.

Yeah, you would have thought they'd have been on high alert just waiting for something like this to happen, with the Kremlins war on Ukraine.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Lazy88

yet isn’t more on guard? With more security? Supposedly after Ukraine drone attack(s) on the Kremlin.

Yeah, you would have thought they'd have been on high alert just waiting for something like this to happen, with the Kremlins war on Ukraine.

Funny Putin’s rivals end up in jail or dead? But this happened? Shrugs.

a reply to: Lazy88

I think they stopped being on guard once the invasion on Ukraine started. I mean they are focused on Ukraine and stopped caring about the potential threats coming from Muslim terrorists. Yet it seems ISIS still cares about Russia. The Islamist extremists can't forgive Russian involvement in Syria.

However, I still find it suspicious that they attacked right after the elections victorious for Putin. There couldn't be the worse moment; that will benefit Putin, not weaken him. Either they are extremely stupid or FSB had a hand in it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Did ISIS claim responsibility?

Yes.

For their purposes of recruitment don't they always claim responsibility?

Yes.

Sometimes it's really them. Sometimes not. It's muddy.

So could Putin have allowed it to happen for the "look there, not here" distraction (?) Seems likely.

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

Stop.

Just stop.

You're walls of biblical text make it hard for others to easily follow the thread.

Didn't you know???

We all voted for you to create the Reader's Digest version for us to read.

originally posted by: twistedpuppy

However, I still find it suspicious that they attacked right after the elections victorious for Putin. There couldn't be the worse moment; that will benefit Putin, not weaken him. Either they are extremely stupid or FSB had a hand in it.

Their choice was a packed concert, so the timing is based on that.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Ignoring the MANIC walls of twisted bible text ...


Interesting opinion piece.
I'm not saying it's a false flag, but this person makes a good case that it could be.

Why the Moscow Terror Attack Could Be A Putin False Flag Operation

There was some former NSA person who served under Trump on fox this morning they brought up the western if it could be a false flag and she immediately answered "no" and she said ith everything's she's seen and everyone she's talked to it's without a doubt ISIS-K

nevermind. I'll do it.

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel
... it's without a doubt ISIS-K

I'm about 90% thinking that' it's ISIS-K.
And about 10% thinking it's a Putin false flag.
Most likely just old fashioned Muslim terrorism.
But I'll leave the door open for a Putin hit.
It wouldn't be outside of his scope to do it.