Moscow Crocus Concert Hall Attack

a reply to: randomuser2034

And another JW holy roller heard from...

Meh.

But I do agree with the sentiment. You could have expressed it without the biblical nonsense though, n'est pas?

originally posted by: firerescue

How Osama Bin Landen took down WTC7 is a great magic trick of perception. Yawn...

a reply to: kwaka

No numb nutz - he took down WTC 1 (North Tower) and in addition WTC 2, 3,4,5,6 , St Nicholas Church

Collapse of WTC damaged WTC 7 which collapsed from fires hours later

My father was an FDNY firefighter for 28 years and had just retired a month before 9-11.

According to other firefighter friends he spoke with who were there on 9-11, WTC 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition in order to prevent further tragedy by having yet another large building coming down in an uncontrolled manner.

However, no FDNY official will ever say so publicly at the request of the Federal government.

I find it amazing how on a website that has a special "9/11 conspiracies" subforum that people can be so asleep about what is going on here. It's the same thing. Just a different country.

The purpose is promoting increased expenditures for or just generally promoting the following branches of government:

military (and defense departments + accompanying arms industry, the "military industrial complex" as Eisenhower phrased it)
security (both private and governmental)
intelligence (agencies; incl. counterterrorism organizations or departments)
law enforcement
politics (in particular those politicians wanting to sell a war like in Ukraine or the so-called "War on Terror" or the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan such as after 9-11, make it seem necessary, combatting a threat and supposedly providing better security for one's own people or just for satisfying people's conditioned and indoctrinated* need for revenge, which comes along with fearmongering, i.e. terrorizing people so they support these politicians and the measures they say they are taking to combat terror, how hypocritical and ironic) *: players in this area are the media, politicians, religious leaders, and community/public figures people listen to, incl. those on youtube, social media or radio podcasts/shows on the internet. The desire for increased security and/or revenge is also spread by word of mouth after the groundwork has been laid by the ones I specifically listed (there are more parties involved, other public figures who will fuel the fire, usually entertainment media personalities who have lots of influence on people, but those are included in my term "media", which is not limited to only news media; this includes youtubers with lots of viewers again who talk about these sort of subjects, including the alternative media and radio show hosts).

It is also to promote laws and organizations that trample on people's privacy or privacy laws (in the US the most famous organization is called the NSA, National Security Agency, so that falls under "security" in the list above).

If you want to know who is responsible for a terror attack (beyond those carrying it out physically), look at those who benefit the most from a terror attack succeeding, those paid to prevent it* (among others who may use the attack as a prelude to war or increased expenditures for military, security, etc.; see list above). It's the same with the terror attack in Israel (you really think those paid to keep an eye on Hamas terrorists in Gaza didn't see them crossing the border? The most watched border in the world? They must have been looking away on purpose. For the same reason they first waited until they were done and left the area before moving in the troops, which took many many hours, as those under attack kept pleading for help from the authorities and those paid to prevent terrorism or provide security and defense of the country, help that never came until the enemy was done and gone. Conclusion: they're in it together; if we're talking about the leaderships on both sides. Or those gaining the most from an attack or act of terrorism succeeding, who these leader figures, incl. politicians, are working for. The soldiers, lower level intelligence agents, or law enforcement officers just blindly do as they're told. If they're told to stand by and do nothing as their leaders execute their agenda of sacrificing and terrorizing their own people using foreign or domestic terrorists, criminals or "enemies" to do their bidding, their own people being those who voted for them or support them, they do so without question or objecting. They're there to get paid and advance their careers, not to actually protect the people/citizens of the country.)

*: Someone in this thread used the phrase "follow the money" earlier (was it Kenzo?), but is he? Really? Where have the self-professed "truth seekers" gone? I think some of them used to be on this website. I see those who are pro-Russian government, pro-US government, or pro-some other government of their country, where are those who are healthily and justifiably skeptical of their government and its politicians (regardless of politicial party affiliation, left or right) and bureaucrats (those working for organizations like the CIA, DIA and NSA, if we use the US as an example), i.e. anti-government (their own government regardless which political party is in charge at the time, not the government of some other country or only the government when it's run by a political party or parties that is not the one they voted for)? And where are those who used to say things like "9-11 was an inside job"? (to promote and launch the so-called "War on Terror" and trample on people's privacy; oh wait, someone did mention "the surveillance state", so at least there's that)

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

Thank you for posting the translation, appreciated.
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: whereislogic
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The purpose is promoting increased expenditures for or just generally promoting the following branches of government:

...
politics (in particular those politicians wanting to sell a war like in Ukraine or the so-called "War on Terror" or the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan such as after 9-11, make it seem necessary, combatting a threat and supposedly providing better security for one's own people or just for satisfying people's conditioned and indoctrinated* need for revenge, which comes along with fearmongering, i.e. terrorizing people so they support these politicians and the measures they say they are taking to combat terror, how hypocritical and ironic) *: players in this area are the media, politicians, religious leaders, and community/public figures people listen to, incl. those on youtube. The desire for increased security and/or revenge is also spread by word of mouth after the groundwork has been laid by the ones I specifically listed (there are more parties involved, other public figures who will fuel the fire, usually entertainment media personalities who have lots of influence on people, but those are included in my term "media", which is not limited to only news media; this includes youtubers with lots of viewers again who talk about these sort of subjects, including the alternative media and radio show hosts).

For example (concerning "religious leaders" specifically), note how the religious leader in the US below is talking about "terrorists":

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What Is False Religion?

Are you distressed about crimes committed in the name of religion? Do the warfare, terrorism, and corruption perpetrated by those who claim to serve God offend your sense of justice? Why does religion seem to be at the root of so many problems?

The fault lies, not with all religion, but with false religion. A widely respected religious figure, Jesus Christ, indicated that false religion produces bad works, just as a “rotten tree produces worthless fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17) What fruit does false religion yield?

False Religion . . .

◼ MEDDLES IN WAR AND POLITICS: “Across Asia and beyond,” says the journal Asiaweek, “power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people’s religious sentiments for their own needs.” As a result, the journal warns: “The world threatens to sink into madness.” A prominent religious leader in the United States declared: “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops.” His solution? “Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” By contrast, the Bible says: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20) Jesus even said: “Continue to love your enemies.” (Matthew 5:44) How many religions can you think of whose members engage in war?

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Source: The End of False Religion Is Near!

That's how you rile people up to support increased epxenditures on the military, security, intelligence agencies and counterterrorism organizations or departments, law enforcement and how you promote war and invasions (more expenditures for the military and defense departments + the arms industry, the "military industrial complex" as President Eisenhower put it). As well as the support of politicians who promote such measures (increased expenditures with your tax money, never their own money, they are unlikely to even be paying taxes in the first place, having all sorts of clever constructions to avoid paying taxes). That's how you rile people up (condition and indoctrinate them) to support your agenda and goals, or as the article that SchrödingersRat translated puts it, "unite" them behind you (not that there is any actual unity, but that's another subject). Hook, line and sinker. Support (and vote in) the very mass murderers that are killing your children and your neighbours, sacrificing them on the battlefields as soldiers, or by acts of terrorism (by proxy) on home soil. Death wish much?

a reply to: TheMisguidedAngel

CNN called ISIS the Isreal Secret Intelligence Service? Really?

I would be surprised to hear CNN say that in public. As for what some might say after a dew drinks and off the record?

As for all the Islamic State branding going on, sounds like a large region of the world is in on it.

I think CIA had a hand in this.
"US warning issued about imminent attack two weeks ago"
They knew it was coming becouse they pland it.

and the rest of you play the blame game.

a reply to: annonentity

How did they know that, unless they share information with ISIS.

$26.6 billion in 2023 spent on intelligence , that's how they know that.

What with any sense of reason would ISIS want with Moscow?

Guess you've not heard about Russia's military operations in the Muslim countries of Chechnya, Syria and Afghanistan , Russia's fight against Islamist groups in those countries over the last couple of decades is why they attacked Moscow.

With Russia fighting a war in Ukraine and an insurgency on its own territory there's never been a better time for other groups with a grudge to hit Russia , shame Putin ignored the advanced warning.

a reply to: annonentity

What with any sense of reason would ISIS want with Moscow?

There is the symbolic significance for a start.

Or in retaliation for Russia's military intervention in Syria

Moscow represents a major power and is considered a symbol of authority and influence in the region.

ISIS are all about instilling fear and destabilisation.

Targeting Moscow sows fear among the population and creates a sense of insecurity.

ISIS has seen the opportunity and seized the moment for there own sick purposes by my guess.

Because that's what the terrorist scum do best.

a reply to: gortex

Guess you've not heard about Russia's military operations in the Muslim countries of Chechnya, Syria and Afghanistan , Russia's fight against Islamist groups in those countries over the last couple of decades is why they attacked Moscow.

.... coming to a city near us then too by that logic!
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

The horrible bastards have been here already and got the teeshirt as unfortunate as the case may be.

By way of their horrendous attacks on the likes of London and the Manchester Arena bombing.

They are always coming, but then again so is Christmas.

Down with the ISIS scum.

a reply to: Scratchpost

Just a thought...

3/5 - Nuland dropped like a hot potato
3/7 - 48h warning not to go to mass events in Moscow area
3/9 - Shaman concert in Crocus City Hall (original target?) - Shaman is a fiercely patriotic RUS pop star
3/15-17 - RUS presidential election
3/18 - Obama surprise visit at No. 10
3/22 - Massacre at Crocus City Hall

Masterminded by Nuland? Admin got cold feet and tried to defuse? Obama put it back on track?

a reply to: Scratchpost
There is longstanding “duty to warn” policy that has been implemented across U.S. administrations to warn foreign governments against potential deadly threats.

The intelligence was considered “actionable,” potentially providing Russian authorities with enough time to mitigate an attack

So , please ....US just did what it`s policy has been long time , warning others , this time it was Russia .

The CIA has a duty to warn. If credible information about personal threats we have to share it with those threatened. Anyone ,even enemys. They shared information with Saddam Hussein .


Duty to warn

U.S. Intelligence Community

In July 2015, then–Director of National Intelligence James Clapper formally issued a directive to the agencies of the United States Intelligence Community that they had a "duty to warn" both U.S. and non-U.S. persons of impending harm against them. The directive included exemptions for occasions that required the protection of sensitive "sources and methods," cases where the intended victim was a member of a terrorist group or a violent criminal, or if the intended victim was already aware of the threat.

Many U.S. intelligence agencies had informally observed such a practice for decades before Clapper's directive.[27] In 2019, the Committee to Protect Journalists sued the Trump administration for information on whether the U.S. government had followed its "duty to warn" principle in the case of the murdered Saudi-American journalist Jamal Khashoggi.[28] In August 2021, a U.S. appeals court ruled that U.S. intelligence agencies were not required to disclose whether they had information about threats to Khashoggi's life before his assassination.[29]

In March 2024, the United States privately warned Russian officials of the danger of an impending attack from Islamic State – Khorasan Province (IS-KP or ISIS-K), from intelligence gathered earlier in March, under the US intelligence community's "duty to warn" requirement.[30] Later that month the group would carry out the Crocus City Hall attack which killed over 115 people.[31]

a reply to: angelchemuel

.... coming to a city near us then too by that logic!

We already have it , remember the Islamic State claimed Manchester Arena bombing in 2017 ?

There have been many plots foiled here because our intelligence services act on information received , but we're only one step away from the next successful attempt.

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

Just FYI, whatever rewards you are hoping for from your master, 1. it will not allow you to acquire true and lasting happiness, 2. they will never be completely satisfactory (your master will always want to hold out the prospect of something more you also desire with which to keep you slaving for him; like the proverbial carrot, in my country we call it holding out a sausage for someone's eyes), 3. it will cost you more than you can ever gain from him. 70-80 years (100 if you're lucky) of only partially satisfying your desires for extremely hard slavework, is nothing compared to what the other One is offering you (which is not what you've been told, it won't be boring or too restrictive/burdensome in the slightest). It's totally not worth it to keep slaving for your master who hates you and just wants to drag you down with him (misery loves company).

I'd have more respect for myself and switch teams if I were you. And not to "become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul* [Or “life,” that is, life prospects.]", Matt 10:28 (or harm the body by means of torture, which has already been proven many times, especially in Nazi Germany, that it can be endured with the right help, and it's only temporary, nothing compared to a good few thousand years of true happiness and truly enjoying life on a paradise earth, which will be nothing like life is now for those suffering, it'll be way better; "Immortality, 11000 going on infinity I always say", as Harlan says in Stargate SG-1 talking about everlasting life and having already lived over 11,000 years; season 1 ep.8).

Uh, O'Neill, they actually are. And it will be great.

Sorry, can't find the scene where he uses that line exactly.

P.S. assuming you are not a chatbot. Which may be an unjustified assumption, but whatever, difficult to tell nowadays anyway given the behaviour of humans on the internet and the nature of their commentary (and not because chatbots have improved so much in mimicking human intelligence, which they haven't all that much; it's the other way around, human commentary has moved closer to mimicking chatbot commentary, can't say "intelligence" cause chatbots have no intelligence like that of humans, not even ChatGPT).

Russian TV pushing FAKE videos blaming Ukraine for attack...

Russian TV Airs Fake Video Of Ukrainian Official Taking Responsibility For Moscow Attack

Moscow: Hours after the terror attack on Moscow's Crocus City Hall, a Russian TV channel aired a video in which a Ukrainian official can be seen claiming responsibility for the attack. However, it was later on revealed that this video is FAKE.

Russian television network NTV aired a fake video during a special broadcast on the Moscow terror attack. In the video, the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov was seen confirming Ukraine's involvement.

However, after a fact check was conducted, it was found that the network had used edited footage.

www.msn.com...

a reply to: whereislogic

Please tell us all what an American TV show (Stargate SG1) has to do with a terrorist attack in Russian?
Your constant posting of Bob Marley and Stargate mixed with your aweful understanding of the bible is just wrong in most threads but to then add chatbot accusations in a thread like this shows your contempt for your fellow human beings. You seem to live in some fantasy land where Stargate is your moral compass or something. I'm not seeing much of a Christian to be honest...

The Moscow attack was an attack on real people trying to live their normal daily lives, I may dislike Putin and his bunch of evil 'yes' men but I stand with anyone fighting against an oppressor (Putin or ISIS), including the Ukrainian people and the real people of Russia.

nvm

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: whereislogic

Please tell us all what an American TV show (Stargate SG1) has to do with a terrorist attack in Russian?

As you well know, I was responding to SchrödingersRat's comment which said nothing about that subject (as so many comments that are not removed in this thread or anywhere else on ATS, for supposedly causing thread drift to cover up censorship of comments that certain types in tiers 2-5 don't want to see on this website, would prefer to see suppressed, hiding behind that excuse, 'oh, it's not on-topic', 'it's causing thread drift', 'it's proselytizing', as the comments that actually cause thread drift or are proselytizing remain, since they're just meant to discredit my commentary without talking about anything that was in my commentary, especially that which was on-topic or connected to it, and to change people's opinion about the nature of the teachings from God and His Word that are occasionally and briefly mentioned or quoted in my commentary, along with attempting to change people's opinions about related or other subjects, molding them according to your liking, the very definition of proselytizing). Just like I was continuing with referrals to my first comment in this thread, which apparently was not grounds for that type of censorship cause it's still there, where I explain the power structure of this world in tiers and who is ultimately responsible for this act of terror in Russia. I have a pretty good hunch which tier you are in (or whose words can be found in your comments from which tier). But you already know that don't you?

Just trying to lure me in to responding again, providing an excuse for the censorship and suppression of that which you "will not put up with" (2Tim 4:3,4) and don't want anyone else to put up with either, that is probably coming soon again as well. So don't fret it, you'll get what you desire. And as we both know, eventually, what you'll deserve. What happened to your pride though, have you never desired to screw over the one who screwed you over so long ago? You can do so by telling the truth about him, expose his agenda, and his responsibility for this act of terrorism in Russia (guess you won't listen to that suggestion anyway). And since I already explained in my first comment who was responsible for this act of terror, any comment from me about him and any description of those who slave for him and how they do that is still on-topic and not causing thread drift. Let alone a "serious" violation of terms and conditions. Just like any encouragement to consider if it's all really worth it, to slave so hard and bend over backwards for him. How do you describe a slave who thinks the slaves of his master belong to him as well, and is afraid to lose them to the other side when there is so little chance of that happening?

But get that paintbrush ready again. Someone might see this or other comments and actually pay attention, actually listen (like that'll ever happen here, maybe the chance is bigger than I imagined seeing the scramble to suppress that information or discredit it, again, using off-topic commentary about me and my BFF, or His people on earth, those being honest about what's really going on and who is really pulling the strings when it comes to terrorism, war, murder, and other crimes against humanity, including the lies and false stories they* teach them, the paintjobs, the spin, the red herrings and distractions from the truth of the matter). *: "they" is referring to those identified and described in tiers 1 (Rev 12:9) and 2 (1Tim 4:1) primarily, in my first comment in this thread. When it comes to relaying these lies and false stories, tiers 3-5 come into play. Especially those who have engaged in a few too many spiritistic practices and rituals. As explained in more detail before in my commentary.

originally posted by: randomuser2034
This reminds me of a Jehovah's Witness in Russia who was imprisoned recently for serving the one true God.

Wait a minute... My God is truer than your true God. My God is the truest of the trues, and his name is Bob.