In New York, "squatting" isn't considered trespassing.

a reply to: Moon68

Sounds like Joe needs a good does of JHP, not just H....

a reply to: Freeborn

We have to start addressing core issues with a honesty that precious few politicians seem to have the desire, integrity or intent to do so.

The biggest issue, imo, is the perpetual liberal (leftist) approach of doing what sounds good or feels good, rather than what works. How can they fix a crisis when they can't even think logically? As the examples in the OP pointed out, I can legally own a property, and have it stolen from me, because of laws that the liberal left has put in place. Theses lunatics have gone from protecting the criminals, to somehow seeing the criminals as victims, and persecuting the law-abiding property owners.

a reply to: ColeYounger2

Exactly. It's all about oppressed and oppressors.

You have to be one or the other and the oppressed are righteous.

We have customer dealing with a squatter here in MI.

They own a rental property. Lady moved into the house. No lease, no nothing. Right now, they can't get her out.
But, they did have the propane tank removed from the property.

Not sure what is going on now, haven't heard anything in a couple days.

Personally, I think this is complete BS and they should be forcibly removed if necessary. At gunpoint if needed.

a reply to: chiefsmom

Certain states have laws to where if there are no utilities on at the property it is considered uninhabitable and therefore nobody can be there.

I know that is the case in MO, not sure about MI.

a reply to: chiefsmom

"I'll send over some boys with a couple of lead pipes and a bicycle chain to get the point across"- Cape Fear

a reply to: Moon68

Yeah, I get all that.
But not all the homeless are Joe, far from it.
Some are, no denying that.

Let's start questioning why a handful of people are allowed to accumulate obscene amounts of wealth and do literally # all with it other than seek to gain even more wealth.
All whilst its getting harder and harder for honest, hard working people to get on the property ladder or rent any sort of decent habitable property due to the ridiculous extortionate cost of renting.

Let's start questioning why so many good people, as FF says quite often old people who have worked most of their adult lives, are being forced on the street.

Homeless people are demonised and stereotyped as the dregs of our society yet the rights of the most affluent need to be protected at all costs.

I don't expect many here to agree with me, just my take on things.

originally posted by: Freeborn
...why a handful of people are allowed to accumulate obscene amounts of wealth and do literally # all with it other than seek to gain even more wealth.

In a free society, that's what can happen. People can make as much as they are able to and they are able to do with it as they please. It would be immoral to put a cap on what people can make and what people can keep. It's also immoral for the uber rich to not help others with it. But my idea of what is immoral is subjective and not really worth much to anyone except me.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

I don't have a link, but there was a story not too long ago...few months..of squatters living in a $13,000,000 mansion in California. It took months to remove them from what I remember.
If I came home from a long vacation and someone was squatting in my home, I wouldn't call the police until after the situation was resolved...one way or the other. They go into a house, steal valuables...firearms...usually cause massive amounts of damage. I will take my chances in court when I claim self defense.

If I would be dragged through the courts regardless of my actions I guess I would just go to my home and kill the home invaders then let the courts sort it out like they were going to anyway.

a reply to: ColeYounger2

originally posted by: Asher47
If I came home from a long vacation and someone was squatting in my home, I wouldn't call the police until after the situation was resolved...one way or the other. They go into a house, steal valuables...firearms...usually cause massive amounts of damage. I will take my chances in court when I claim self defense.

^^ That. I'd be getting my gaggle of friends together, all of us armed, and I'd be pushing them out at the point of a few guns, then take my chances in court.

Millions of dregs you mean. Yes we have millions of completely useless eaters. Shawb really is right about one thing.


I owe my fellow human nothing. Not comfort, nor money, nor even space to exist or even freedom. Granted they are free to strive and earn those things, but they are owed none of it.
a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: Freeborn

That handful of obscenely wealthy people are the ones that invest in money markets, mutual funds and stocks that allow for the lending of money for small businesses and account for the majority of capital for projects to help the most marginalized.

Fun fact: There are more millionaires today than in any other time period in history. The demonization of Capitalism is baffling to me. No other system in history has lifted more people from poverty yet there are those that see it as abhorrent. Are there some who would take advantage of a system? Sure, let's go after them if there a legally questionable practices.

It's not about protecting the rights of one group over another. It's about protecting the rights of ALL! Just because B doesn't have the same things as F doesn't make F evil or B oppressed.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Agreed!! I will never tolerate someone trying to take what's mine, especially my house and property.
I will never understand the lefties who advocate for the people that do these things. I have a feeling this country is going to have a Reckoning soon. I sure wouldn't want to be a gunophobic when that happens.

The socialists and communists on here would disagree..but f#ck them.

With all of the illegals.....the squatting has just begun. Some dip# non profit will be spotting "vacant" homes for them.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Not sure if they have turned off the electrical yet. I sure would, but I know it is a pain to get it turned on again.

I just don't understand why anyone would think this type of thing is ok?

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: PorkChop96

Not sure if they have turned off the electrical yet. I sure would, but I know it is a pain to get it turned on again.

I just don't understand why anyone would think this type of thing is ok?

Because there are those that think if someone has something they don't then they are being oppressed. Victim mentality and crybaby syndrome.

a reply to: Moon68

I've never said Capitalism is evil.
I think hard work, endeavour and enterprise should be rewarded.

Yes, living standards have improved for millions of people.....but what we have isn't perfect, not by any stretch.
It both could and should be a lot better.

And we can't just sit back and say 'oh, everything's wonderful' and not strive to improve.
Status quo is just one step away from decline.

We need to stop papering over cracks and address real root cause issues as a matter of urgency.

My wife has made me the best lasagne I've ever had today, I'm off to nick some more whilst she's not watching and do some life things.

For the record; if anyone tried to invade my home I'd break every bone in the #s body without any hesitation.
That's not empty, keyboard bravado, just the honest truth.
I'm not advocating taking over people's homes, just that we can do more with vacant and empty premises to help homeless people that both want and deserve helping.

And yes, far too many houses etc are being handed over to unwanted illegal immigrants.
I think I made that perfectly clear in my first post in this thread.

The real root cause it people can be really terrible. Can they be improved? Sure but not by anyone one of us no amount of time effort or money on our part can change a person. The change must come from within and sometimes it never comes, dosent even come close to coming for some people actually.

I don’t say this lightly, but some people are in fact valueless or even negative value to society and the world at large. They bring absolutely nothing to table of mankind but will take from it ungraciously.

That said I used to count my very self among those people. I am not shy about it I was a hard drug addict for much of my life I grew up in a home of alcoholics and became one myself. I only ever took from those around me and I gave absolutely nothing back. I was for all intent a purpose a worthless human being at that time.

But one day something inside me just knew. I had a longing my whole life for a proper family, to become a proper father. And one day I just decided I would do what ever it took to manifest my dream what ever it took to be a better honest upright human being. What ever it took to be a better man. This isn’t something that can be givin it must come from within.

I checked myself into rehab, cleaned myself up, quit drinking, quit smoking, stopped hanging out with other dregs. The boys, the bros, the gang, the crew, are not my friends and turns out they never were. I’ve been clean and sober for over 6 years I have a lovely wife and amazing children.

I’ve achieved my dream but I keep dreaming. None of it was given all of it was strove for all of it earned. If any of it was given to me it would have no worth and I would not value it. It’s why many wellfair/low income/assisted income folks live in trashed trap houses and drive beater cars. It’s not because they are poor no, it’s because they don’t value any of crap they get for free.


If you give a mouse a cookie he will ask for a glass of milk. If you give him a glass of milk he will ask for a book to read if you give him the book to read he will ask for a blanket to get comfy. The real moral story of this children’s book is totally lost on children and parents alike.


I was a loser and the world owed me nothing for it.
a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: Moon68

Those services already exist.

You just have to pay a good fella to go and speak with the squatters. They gently encourage the squatters to move.