Hur on the Hill--Former SC Testifies on Biden Classified Doc Report LIVE

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Biden followers claim it's all okay because, once caught, Biden returned the classified information. No. That doesn't make it all okay. For DECADES this stuff was floating around unprotected and Biden willfully disclosed classified information to a journalist as well. Turning it in when caught doesn't give him a free pass.

Trump followers have their own set of 'it's okay because he could declassify it so it wasn't really classified documents'. And that's bogus as well. Trump still mishandled it and should have turned it in when caught with it. But that's another topic for another thread.

Biden deserves to be prosecuted. His alleged cooperation with authorities is irrelevant to the fact that he committed the crimes for decades.

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The Krassenstein Bros. are summoning you. 🤣

originally posted by: Threadbarer

I believe there's an old adage about innocence and guilt that our justice system is built around.

Maybe you could remind us all of what it is.

Deflection.

Hur did not declare that Biden was innocent. He doesn't have that power. He said that Biden willfully withheld classified materials and that he willfully disclosed it to a journalist. The reason he wasn't prosecuted was because he is an old man with a bad memory. Biden should have been prosecuted.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
The Republicans elected someone suffering from Alzheimer's twice and herald him as the greatest President of all-time.

And some say Nancy Reagan was actually running the White House.
Shouldn't have happened then ... and it shouldn't happen now.

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This inquiry is to examine the Hur report and Hur to determine if he was correct in his assessment. In my opinion, they have enough evidence to show that he was not correct. This should move to an impeachment.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
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The cases were owned more than two years before the election. The indictments were secured more than a year before the election.

Trump announced his candidacy after he knew he was under investigation.

Timing was coincidental. You're going to learn that Trump had a second presidency planned, soon after Joe Biden's steal was successful.

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And Hillary Clinton told Bill what to do all the time.

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In the eyes of the law, Biden is innocent. And if you believe that Biden should have been prosecuted over this, then you must agree that Trump definitely should've been prosectued over the Mueller Report.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
In the eyes of the law, Biden is innocent.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about what was in Hurs report and he said that Biden willfully and wrongly held classified information and disclosed classified information to a journalist. Hur did not say Biden was innocent. Hur did say that the evidence, did not reach the levels needed for a successful conviction.

And if you believe that Biden should have been prosecuted over this, then you must agree that Trump definitely should've been prosectued over the Mueller Report.

Both Biden and Trump should be prosecuted for mishandling classified materials.

Are you trying to bring in the Russia interference hoax that Hillary invented for the 2016 election? There was evidence Russia tried to interfere in the elections ... they ALWAYS do ... and America interferes in elections in other countries as well. But there was no evidence that Trump was in cahoots with Russia. The meetings Trumps people had with Russians were few and legal.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
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I believe there's an old adage about innocence and guilt that our justice system is built around.

Maybe you could remind us all of what it is.

Umm I heard Hur clearly state “ Nowhere in my report did I state Biden is innocent “

Interesting. Trying to destroy evidence.
Motivation for keeping documents - pride and money

Robert Hur admits 'forgetful' Biden read ALOUD classified files to ghost writer of his $8m book - who then tried to 'DESTROY the evidence': Special Counsel confirms president wanted to keep documents for 'pride and money'

Former special counsel Robert Hur revealed in Capitol Hill testimony that Biden 'willfully' retained classified materials as a private citizen and gave them to Mark Zwonitzer - the ghost writer of his $8 million book - who later tried to destroy them.

'We identified evidence that the President willfully retained classified materials after the end of his vice presidency, when he was a private citizen,' Hur said during the high-stakes hearing.

He 'tried to destroy the evidence, didn't he?' asked Jordan.

'Correct,' said Hur.

Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan noted Biden got $8 million for his book deal and argued Biden knowingly handed over those documents to the writer.

'Pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules,' Jordan said of Biden. 'The oldest motives in the book, pride and money. Do you agree with that?'

'That language does appear in the report and we did identify evidence supporting those assessments,' Hur said back.

Biden said in his interview with Hur that he made more from the book sale than he ever made in his life.

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That's not what Mueller concluded. He said there was evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Russia but because of longstanding rules at the DOJ that prohibit them from prosecuting sitting Presidents, it would be up to Congress to remove him from office.

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Because he's a political hack.

Why would Biden's AG, Merritt Garland, give the Special Council job to a political hack?

Biden told his ghostwriter “ I still have the classified information downstairs”

Sounds clearcut to me

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Biden told his ghostwriter “ I still have the classified information downstairs”

Sounds clearcut to me

Followed by Biden on tape SHARING said classified information with someone NOT authorized to hear it.
Treason?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: FlyersFan

In the eyes of the law, Biden is innocent. And if you believe that Biden should have been prosecuted over this, then you must agree that Trump definitely should've been prosectued over the Mueller Report.

Trump had a reasonable level of Presidential Immunity.

Biden had zero immunities when he illegally stole, retained, and displayed classified materials over decades.

😀

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Except Hur have three separate reasons why it wasn't clear cut and as a result concluded the was insufficient evidence to show that Biden ever willfully retained or shared classified information.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
... concluded the was insufficient evidence to show that Biden ever willfully retained or shared classified information.

No. Hur said that Biden willfully retained and shared classified information, but that the amount of evidence did not raise to the standard needed for prosecution. That's different.

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THE EVIDENCE FALLS SHORT OF ESTABLISHING MR. BIDEN'S WILLFUL
RETENTION OF THE CLASSIFIED AFGHANISTAN DOCUMENTS BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT

originally posted by: Threadbarer
He said there was evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Russia but because of longstanding rules at the DOJ that prohibit them from prosecuting sitting Presidents, it would be up to Congress to remove him from office.

Actually, he made multiple statements. The first was about the prosecution guidance. Then he clarified. There is still confusion to this day as to what he actually said/meant.

"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

NBC News