Is the israeli military this inept

Muslim’s are very very good at crushing themselves too death. In my study of the Haaj the biggest Muslim event possible the holiest of holy. On par with Vatican city maybe even surpassing it.

Its a logistical nightmare with crap literally in the streets.

Well at this event there are regular stampedes with fatalities going up into the hundreds. Happens literally all the time at there most sacred most holy place you can be crushed to death in seconds.

Dosent surprise me in the least 100+ managed to get themselves killed just lining up for food. Checks out totally.

a reply to: FlyersFan

a reply to: FlyersFan

At least 112 people were killed and 760 injured in an incident where Israel Defense Forces (IDF) troops used live fire as hungry and desperate Palestinian civilians were gathering around food aid trucks, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza. CNN is unable to independently confirm these numbers.

Second paragraph of your first link.

edition.cnn.com...

Your second link courtesy of the Israeli regime's newspaper.

You are a first-class manipulator.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Your propaganda dismantles with the passing of the hours.

Nobody attacked the IDF, you lie again and again, it's the only way you have to express yourself. I hope the reward honors your efforts defending the oppressor when he murders in the midst of utter desperation.

This guy gets it. Now tell them they(the big 3) all believe in the same god and we are done for the day.

a reply to: YouSir

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
-The images from the drone show a crowd of hungry people and absolutely nothing can be distinguished in it. You say that there you clearly see how trucks run over someone?

Wrong. It has already been established that the majority of deaths were from people being run over by the trucks and from the stampede.

CNN Gaza Food Truck Deaths

The aid trucks tried to escape the area, accidentally ramming others and causing further deaths and injuries, ... The majority of the casualties occurred as a result of people being rammed by aid trucks trying to escape Israeli fire ...

-The UN has reported that there have been gunshot and tank injuries and deaths from this cause.

Learn to post links when you claim something. It has been acknowledged that some deaths were due to gunshot. It has been acknowledged that MOST deaths were from stampede and being run over by trucks. Post a link showing that the UN says that people died in this by tank shooting.

-The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?

Wrong as usual. You sure do get debunked a lot. The IDF says they shot 10 people who attacked them. They did not say that they 'shot into a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat'. Info Here

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture




-The images from the drone show a crowd of hungry people and absolutely nothing can be distinguished in it. You say that there you clearly see how trucks run over someone? your blindness is important.

You got called out and felt the need to post more talking points?

Anyway.
Why Isreal was cooperating and letting aid trucks in.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
-The UN has reported that there have been gunshot and tank injuries and deaths from this cause.

I mentioned video. So the video doesn’t show people rushing the aid trucks being shot?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture

-The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?

Then actually cite a source and quote what the IDF reported. I quoted a cited source? That the IDF shot warning shots to try to gain control of an out of control situation. The fatalities resulted in a group that changed from the trucks to turning on the armed group of IDF. Does the available video show otherwise.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Info Here

Again from the aggressors' pamphlet? Funny...

You alone discredit yourself in each of your posts.

You dehumanize people.

What's worse than that?

The military acknowledged that troops opened fire on several Gazans who moved toward soldiers and a tank at an IDF checkpoint, endangering soldiers, after they had rushed the last truck in the convoy further south.

www.timesofisrael.com...

Do you have video that contradicts this?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
You are a first-class manipulator.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Your propaganda dismantles with the passing of the hours.

Blah blah blah.

My god you really can't read, can you. No where in that did it say that Israel fired into a crowd of people waiting in line to get food. It says Israel used live fire as people were in line. That's different. The link DOES say that Israel fired at people who were attacking their troops.

Debunked again. You make it so easy.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture


Again from the aggressors' pamphlet? Funny...

Calling you out for using propaganda that purposely ignores the actual evidence, while you provide no evidence of your own. Just you making false claims?

originally posted by: Athetos
This guy gets it. Now tell them they(the big 3) all believe in the same god and we are done for the day.

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...Jews...Christians...and Muslims...all believe in the same psychopath...and routinely express their gods same negative character flaws...and traits...

Obviously evident...and exceeding strange to see them all fight so handily amongst one another...being as they're brother believers...


Is what it is...






YouSir

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
Again from the aggressors' pamphlet? Funny...

YOU falsely claimed this - "IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat."

So I used the Israeli source to quote exactly what the IDF really did say. And what they said was that they were attacked and that they shot 10 people who attacked them. They never 'acknowledged that they shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat'.

OF COURSE I"m going to use an Israeli source to get exactly what Israelis 'acknowledge'. DUH.

And ... you were debunked again. As usual.

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Athetos
This guy gets it. Now tell them they(the big 3) all believe in the same god and we are done for the day.

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...Jews...Christians...and Muslims...all believe in the same psychopath...and routinely express their gods same negative character flaws...and traits...

Obviously evident...and exceeding strange to see them all fight so handily amongst one another...being as they're brother believers...


Is what it is...

YouSir

At least Isreal has a constitution that mentions freedom of religion?

What does Hamas have?

Amen brother.


a reply to: YouSir

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
You alone discredit yourself in each of your posts.?

Actually no. Everything I post has a credible source included.
And very few of my posts, if any, get debunked.
You, on the other hand, continually are debunked.
And then you resort to emotional name calling.
Learn how to post.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Athetos
This guy gets it. Now tell them they(the big 3) all believe in the same god and we are done for the day.

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...Jews...Christians...and Muslims...all believe in the same psychopath...and routinely express their gods same negative character flaws...and traits...

Obviously evident...and exceeding strange to see them all fight so handily amongst one another...being as they're brother believers...


Is what it is...

YouSir

At least Isreal has a constitution that mentions freedom of religion?

What does Hamas have?

Ummm...Handouts...?

Occupiers...?

Missiles...?

Just because some document...mentions...freedom of religion...doesn't equate recognizing the humanity of the people your attempting to genocide...


So...there is that...



YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Athetos
This guy gets it. Now tell them they(the big 3) all believe in the same god and we are done for the day.

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...Jews...Christians...and Muslims...all believe in the same psychopath...and routinely express their gods same negative character flaws...and traits...

Obviously evident...and exceeding strange to see them all fight so handily amongst one another...being as they're brother believers...


Is what it is...

YouSir

At least Isreal has a constitution that mentions freedom of religion?

What does Hamas have?

Ummm...Handouts...?

Occupiers...?

Missiles...?

Just because some document...mentions...freedom of religion...doesn't equate recognizing the humanity of the people your attempting to genocide...


So...there is that...

YouSir

You mean Hamas? Uses human shields. Uses neighbourhoods and civilian infrastructure as military bases. Made this about survival. Was the reason for Oct 7. Hamas that lied the al-Ahli Arab Hospital on Oct 17 was hit by an Israeli air strike when it was a Palestinian misfired rocket and inflated the number of dead by a factor of 2 to 5 times. Hamas that lied about the Oct 13 Salah-al-Din street incident was an Israeli attack where 70 people were killed by IEDs planted by Palestinian militants. Hamas that likes to make propaganda about all their militants, but they are never counted as military deaths. They somehow become noncombatants in death?

Still taking points with no evidence to support the opening post?

a reply to: ToneD

if you rush a military check point be prepared to take fire, simple as that

they acted like animals and were put down like one.

Israel isnt going to stop and no one is goin mg to make them, they are a nuclear power with American weapons that could be dual use.

The Palestinians need to clean their own house if they want peace and if they want to hide fighters in crowds and under hospitals then those become legit military targets and will be hit.

This is what real war looks like.

Israel could argue they didnt start the fight and now they have to defend the land and people on it by all means nessacary

Israel could be pounding Palestine from the air and with missiles to the point of killing everyone on the ground, yet that isnt happening.

Palestine started something and now they are feeling the consequences of that population ALLOWING people who mean others harm to tunnel under their land and hospitals, schools etc.

Why is it that no one will let the Palestinians in? not the Egyptians and not Syria or Iran, its because they know who else will come with them and don't want any of what Israel is dishing out.

its up to the Palestinians to end this conflict

Another IDF spokesman, Lt Col Peter Lerner, said some civilians approached a checkpoint which was about 70 metres (230 feet) away and ignored warning shots fired by the soldiers there.

He said the soldiers, fearing that some of the civilians posed a threat, then opened fire on those approaching in what he described as a "limited response."

www.bbc.com...

Many of the Palestinians killed or wounded in the chaos as they tried to get bags of flour from an aid convoy were hit by Israeli army fire, the European Union’s diplomatic service said Saturday, urging an international investigation.

english.elpais.com... s.html

a reply to: ToneD

i can see it, a bunch of eager new army guys,
getting crowded, scared, not trained for crowd control..
everyones got finger on their trigger,
one guy fires into the air, and everyone else thinks it means
OPEN FIRE, maybe only a handful of guys saw commander
fire into the air, maybe didnt announce warning shot

you can get a crowd of good kids to do something bad
they ALL want desperately to fit in,,
someone jokingly says something, next kid wants attention
and be part of the gang so he joins in,

and 1by 1 they all say YEAH,.. LETS,
and NO ONE wants to be left out, or last one to join

whether its to just scare a buddy, or throw a
few rocks near him to scare him, start fires, you name it
and you end up with LORD OF THE FLYS..
works with irate adults too

this is EXACTLY how the trans movement
in school took off like wildfire..
a few popular kids got paid to pretend,
and everyone wanted the extra attention they got