Is the israeli military this inept

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Solvedit

The bunker under al-Shifa Hospital was built by Israel.

You're saying the hospital had a free bunker provided for them by the Israelis where they could hide in case of attack,

and Hamas displaced them and prevented them from using it for a shelter?

Could you think that was a point in favor of Hamas?

a reply to: Solvedit

You're saying the hospital had a free bunker provided for them by the Israelis where they could hide in case of attack,

Ehud Barak admitted it.

Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak made a stunning revelation about bunkers beneath Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital. In an interview with CNN, Barak said that Israel helped build bunkers at Al-Shifa many decades ago in order to provide more operational space for the hospital. The remarks came as Israel is under pressure to provide evidence for its claim that Hamas uses Al-Shifa hospital as a command centre. Watch this video to know more.

a reply to: gortex

Israel built it back in the 80s.
Hamas filled them up with terrorists, weapons, and munitions.

originally posted by: gortex
If this is regarding the IDF targeting civilians who surrounded the aid convoy a couple of days ago because they are starving to death then I don't think it's because they're inept I think it's because they're out of control ,...

Nope.

Israel fired at those trying to attack the IDF who were doing security.
They weren't firing at civilians waiting to get food.
Israel shot 10 'palestinians' who were idiots and attacked armed Israeli troops.
The attack upon the Israeli troops by the 'palestinians' created a stampede and
the trucks drove off running people over.

The people there for food died because the 'palestinians' attacked armed Israeli
forces. Once again, the 'palestinians' get their own people killed then whine
and claim it's Israels fault, when it's not.

CNN Gaza Food Truck Deaths

The aid trucks tried to escape the area, accidentally ramming others and causing further deaths and injuries, ... The majority of the casualties occurred as a result of people being rammed by aid trucks trying to escape Israeli fire ...

The civilians waiting for food died because of being run over by trucks
and from being in a stampede - caused the the 'palestinians' attacking IDF.
Israel fired at those trying to attack IDF doing security.

The actual film footage here
Israel says it shot 10 people who were trying to attack them. The rest (of the 104) were stampeded and/or run over by the trucks.

a reply to: Vermilion

The AP said that the rate of devastation was worse than either the razing of Aleppo in Syria or Russia’s bombing of Mariupol.

That was the next sentence that you left out for some reason.

And what does the next section of the article say?

While 500,000 people have no home to return to, many more will remain displaced because of the scale of the devastation of Gaza’s crucial public facilities. The World Health Organization (WHO) says that 23 of 36 hospitals had been rendered completely inoperable by 3 January, with a previous count of 3,500 beds down to 1,400 by 10 December amid vastly increased need.

Gaza’s education system has also been severely compromised: 104 schools have either been destroyed or sustained major damage. In total, about 70% of school buildings have been damaged – and those still standing are largely being used to shelter internally displaced people.

Meanwhile, water production stood at 7% of the prewar supply on 30 December, and there is only one shower for every 4,500 people and one toilet for every 220. Those conditions make the spread of disease a very urgent problem: for example, the WHO said on 21 December that more than 100,000 cases of diarrhoea had been reported since mid-October, half of them among children under the age of five. That is 25 times the pre-conflict rate. The WHO says that it expects the number of deaths from disease to eventually outstrip those killed directly by military action.

originally posted by: gortex In an interview with CNN, Barak said that Israel helped build bunkers at Al-Shifa many decades ago in order to provide more operational space for the hospital.

Who built them is not being questioned.

Don't you think the Gazan hospital staff and patients may have appreciated the extra space as well as the opportunity to shelter in case of war? So why was it wrong for Israel to build the bunkers?

What's so hard to follow about this point?

What Hamas seems to have done is prevent the Gazan hospital staff and patients from sheltering in the bunkers as well as make it a target by setting up a base there and firing deadly rockets at Israel.

Yet Hamas still had a 75% approval rate with the Gazan public.

Can it be they basically set out to win the world's approval by getting in the way of an Israeli response? And then attacking?

a reply to: Solvedit

originally posted by: Solvedit

originally posted by: deckard74The problem I think stems with the Us and Them mentality, where they are the chosen people of God, and everyone else is a beast with no spark of life/light.

Can you say all that in light of the fact that Hamas had a 75% approval rating despite building underground fortresses beneath hospitals?

Seems like it is being questioned.

a reply to: Threadbarer

And none of that would be happening if Hamas and the 'palestinians' hadn't attacked Israel, slaughtering and raping and burning alive and taking 240 hostages. And the schools and civilian infrastructure would still be in tact if Hamas and the 'palestinians' hadn't been using them for storing weapons and rockets and munitions. And it all could have stopped months ago if Hamas and the 'palestinians' had given back the hostages they took and given up their arms and calls for genocide of the Jews. Once again, the situation in Gaza is entirely the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians' .. the idiots started a war against a country that could beat the snot out of them.

There can be no doubt right now what Netanyahu is doing is genocide.

Absolutely none.

I'm going careful and not say Israel but Netanyahu - since so many Israelis are against what's happening in Gaza.

Even all these pro-Netanyahu posters here on ATS know it's genocide but they just don't use the word.

They say things like the evil spawns (aka children) need to be destroyed, they talk about how "bad" the group is and that no one likes them....

Genocide doesn't happen by leaders say "hey let's attack these good people".

It happens when leaders vilify a group by using acts of a few.

****War is not killing an entire ethnic group because they are "bad"****
**Self defense is not killing children because they might grow up to be "bad"**

***This is genocide****

a reply to: FlyersFan

Why do you act like October 7th happened in a vacuum?

I could just as easily say that October 7th wouldn't have happened if Israel had adhered to the Oslo Accords. Does that now make it Israel's fault?

Your right hamas started a war. Isreal is finishing it.

Plus not even the leaders of Hama live in Palestine. Its laughable. The people who run the country and tell the people to die for them live in Qutar!

They live In qutar because they know if they set foot literally almost anyone where else on earth they would put to death.

They know it. I know it. Now you know it.


a reply to: Daughter2v2

a reply to: FlyersFan



NO THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION BETWEEN WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING AND THE OCTOBER ACTS.

Exactly how is killing innocent civilians preventing more attacks?

I'm so sick of your justification of killing people based on what a very small group did.

Look what the US did to innocent people in Vietnam. Not all soldiers but there certainly were horrific acts committed by the US.

Would you have wanted your children on the receiving end of your logic.

a reply to: Athetos

This isn't a war.

There is very little combat.

This is a large army, well funded and trained by my tax dollars, committing genocide.

a reply to: Threadbarer

You posted absolute lies and got called on it, again.

I have to give you credit though for having the nuts to even come back to this thread.

The amount of palistinian propaganda you consume is apparent by the massive size of that duece you dropped in this thread.
Just stop.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: Athetos

This isn't a war.

There is very little combat.

This is a large army, well funded and trained by my tax dollars, committing genocide.

What city in Iran do you live?

a reply to: Vermilion

The former PM is Israel is Palestinian propaganda?

They don't care about the truth, nor about the figures, nor about the history, nor about the suffering, nor about the children, nor about the innocent, nor about the Israelis.

The only thing that sustains people with this type of ideology is their extreme positioning and their deep racism towards one of the parties, in this case the Muslim Palestinians.

They don't care about life, they don't even have the slightest respect for the lives of babies.

This Nazi narrative has been repeated throughout history in order to oppress, abuse and exterminate people of a specific ethnic group. We all see it and we can see how they multiply their voices in each thread and how they justify their hatred with any pretext.

There are people who are unfortunately lost, when you dehumanize people, you dehumanize yourself. Now, as at the time towards fascism, Nazism, Francoism, etc. These people follow his steps in the human categorization process.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
NO THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION BETWEEN WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING AND THE OCTOBER ACTS.

Yes there is. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Gaza was in tact before Oct 7. Hamas and the 'palestinians' attacked a country that could beat the snot out of them. And that's what Israel is doing ... winning a war. You don't like dead 'palestinians' ... then blame Hamas and the 'palestinians' themselves for starting it and for continuing it. They could have ended this long ago by giving up the hostages and giving up their arms and calls for Jewish genocide. It's their fault .. no one elses.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

The palestinians dehumanize themselves through their brutal terrorism.
That’s why none of their Arab neighbors want them in their countries.
I notice you terrorist simps never address that fact.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
This isn't a war.

Yes it is.

There is very little combat.

Air superiority wins wars. The goal is to have your troops in as little combat as possible so that they don't die. You know nothing about the military or about winning wars or about keeping troops alive.

This is a large army, well funded and trained by my tax dollars, .

This is a mediocre sized army, that is winning a war that was trust upon it by MORON 'palestinians' who want to genocide them.

committing genocide

Nope. Not even close. A few thousand dead out of 2.5 million. And those are dead because their own people caused it, not because Israel is targeting them. It's Hamas and the 'palestinians' fault. They started it. They continue it by not giving back the hostages and not putting down their arms and by not stopping the calls for Jewish genocide.