Judge rules Trump ineligible to appear on Illinois ballot under 14th Amendment

originally posted by: ByeByeAmericanPie
a reply to: xuenchen

Read the 14th Amendment. Not a requirement.

Does the SCOTUS want to amend the 14th Amendment for Donald Trump?

Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You were aware of section 1...right?

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: DBCowboy

How many state supreme courts have to establish he is in fact guilty of insurrection for you to accept it?

Obviously more than 3… lol.

lol

How about an actual trial instead of leftists deciding he's guilty.

A trial would mean he would probably go to prison if found guilty, rather than just be taken off a state ballot.

Do you seriously understand what your asking for? I highly doubt Trump himself wants a federal trial… lol.

Dude keeps arguing presidential immunity just to avoid it.

Uhhhhh, do you know how communist/fascist/banana-republic you sound?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JinMI

*shrugs*

Time to take Biden off the ballots in red states.

Sounds like a plan.

But not with any existing 'publicans to enact it.

a reply to: JinMI

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

LOL
Here we go again.

Donald Trump's life doesn't depend on him being eligible to be President of the United States again. Nor does his liberty depend on his eligibility to be President of the United States. And finally, the office of the President of the United States isn't Donald Trump's property.

No one has a right to the office of the President of the United States, not even Donald Trump.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes I know you keep wanting to use the same argument Democrats used to keep black people from voting, owning property and firearms.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: DBCowboy

How many state supreme courts have to establish he is in fact guilty of insurrection for you to accept it?

Obviously more than 3… lol.

lol

How about an actual trial instead of leftists deciding he's guilty.

A trial would mean he would probably go to prison if found guilty, rather than just be taken off a state ballot.

Do you seriously understand what your asking for? I highly doubt Trump himself wants a federal trial… lol.

Dude keeps arguing presidential immunity just to avoid it.

Uhhhhh, do you know how communist/fascist/banana-republic you sound?

When it comes to Orange Man Bad, they don’t care what they sound like.

a reply to: JinMI

What? LOL...

Yeah, it's exactly the same argument!

Again, Donald Trump doesn't have a right to the office of President of the United States. It isn't his property, and his liberty nor his life depend upon it.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

liberty
noun

the freedom to live as you wish or go where you want:

dictionary.cambridge.org...

Nor does his liberty depend on his eligibility to be President of the United States.

It indeed does.
Definitions matter.

originally posted by: Dandandat3
Dude keeps proclaiming his innocence... thats how you know he's guilty.

If he wasn't guilty he wouldn't need to keep telling us he's innocent.

When was the last time you had to tell people you were innocent?

Proclaiming his Innocence? Yeah, maybe when his ranting and raving to his fanatic followers. But in court he just “proclaims” presidential immunity.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You understand why the 14th amendment was needed on top of the 5th amendment right?

Again, Donald Trump doesn't have a right to the office of President of the United States. It isn't his property, and his liberty nor his life depend upon it.

No, but he does have the liberty to run.....

The right is conferred should he win.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Just in case anyone wants to play semantics, here is the legal definition as well:

As used in the Constitution, liberty means freedom from arbitrary and unreasonable restraint upon an individual. Freedom from restraint refers to more than just physical restraint, but also the freedom to act according to one's own will.

Link

a reply to: JinMI

You understand why the 14th amendment was needed on top of the 5th amendment right?

Nobody is asking Trump to incriminate himself. His life, his liberty nor his property is at issue, even though he be disqualified to hold office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

No, but he does have the liberty to run.....

Not if he's ineligible to hold office.

The right is conferred should he win.

Not if his is ineligible through Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You understand why the 14th amendment was needed on top of the 5th amendment right?

Again, Donald Trump doesn't have a right to the office of President of the United States. It isn't his property, and his liberty nor his life depend upon it.

No, but he does have the liberty to run.....

The right is conferred should he win.

It’s right there in your bottom signature line that she don’t give a crap.

It’s amazing how bad these Liberals always want usurp the Constitution.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: Dandandat3
Dude keeps proclaiming his innocence... thats how you know he's guilty.

If he wasn't guilty he wouldn't need to keep telling us he's innocent.

When was the last time you had to tell people you were innocent?

Proclaiming his Innocence? Yeah, maybe when his ranting and raving to his fanatic followers. But in court he just “proclaims” presidential immunity.

Agreed... a defendent who puts up a defense is clearly guilty. If he was innocent he wouldn't have to defend himself in court.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Keep setting em up, I'll keep knocking em down sookie. And when you want to use historical racist arguments to omit people from their civil rights, i'll call that out too.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It indeed does.
Definitions matter.

Trump has the same rights as any citizen to come and go as he pleases and to travel from state to state. Donald Trump doesn't not have the right to the Presidency of the United States.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You understand why the 14th amendment was needed on top of the 5th amendment right?

Again, Donald Trump doesn't have a right to the office of President of the United States. It isn't his property, and his liberty nor his life depend upon it.

No, but he does have the liberty to run.....

The right is conferred should he win.

It’s right there in your bottom signature line that she don’t give a crap.

It’s amazing how bad these Liberals always want usurp the Constitution.

Until they need it for their own protection.....

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trump has the same rights as any citizen to come and go as he pleases and to travel from state to state. Donald Trump doesn't not have the right to the Presidency of the United States.

Again, he has the liberty to run.

You keep trying to skirt this fact to make your laughable position work.

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: DBCowboy

How many state supreme courts have to establish he is in fact guilty of insurrection for you to accept it?

Obviously more than 3… lol.

Insurrection is a Federal Law. 🤓

a reply to: Sookiechacha

But he has the right to be on the ballet. Just like Vermin Supreme.

en.wikipedia.org...