WW3 is postponed

Alexei Navalny "died from a blood clot," a Ukrainian spy chief has claimed.

Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine's formidable GUR military intelligence service, appeared to quash suggestion Mr Navalny, 47, was murdered. The anti-corruption campaigner was found dead in a Russian gulag this month sparking claims he'd been killed on Vladimir Putin's orders.

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The news is coming out in the last hour. Ukraine making the claims that Navalny died of a clot...not murder.


Don't forget the plotiticians that jumped the gun and would send you and yours into the fray. A nation that was so corrupt that it made headlines for years before the Russian invasion. A nation the US owes nothing to and is being used by both political factions.

A nation that is not in NATO (although there is reason to believe that may change soon).

I'm sorry yall won't get your WW3 imminently. Perhaps by October....

a reply to: JinMI
Blood clots can be induced quite easily so I would not rule out his death was planned.
I was just reading claims that Navalny was possibly about to be involved in a prisoner swap deal-but then conveiniently died just before the deal went through-

It has now been claimed that the prisoner-swap talks were in their "final stages" when Mr Navalny died.
In a video posted on the late Kremlin critic's YouTube channel, Maria Pevchikh - who lives outside Russia - said: "Alexei Navalny could have been sitting here now, today. It's not a figure of speech."
Ms Pevchikh said she received confirmation about the talks just one day before Mr Navalny's death was announced.

news.sky.com...

Someone didn't want that to happen-we can't have political opponents running round free in election year!
Reminds me of another country.

a reply to: onestonemonkey

Sure, it's possible that it was made to look a certain way.



Yet why then would the Ukrainian spy chief make the statement?

Yeah, cause no blood clot has ever been formed from torture or beatings.

But hey, it was a natural death, per article.


Was, wasn't? Who knows?

Autopsies usually.

a reply to: JinMI

Much as I hate to repeat myself:
Until an independent international autopsy is conducted, the real cause of his death will remain unknown. But BUT... the very fact that Russia refuses such an international postmortem autopsy is suspicious. And if you add to this two earlier attacks on Navalny and the assassinations of other dissidents in Russia, then the whole case really stinks.

I would draw the line between Navalny case and the war in Ukraine. Navalny was a Russian dissident, not an Ukrainian martyr. He was primarily against Putin but not so much against Russian imperialism. He's not really liked in Ukraine for his stance on Crimea. And he himself wasn't such a fan of Ukraine's independence. Sure, he didn't call for taking Ukraine by force but fully supported its integration with Russia.

The firm stance against Russia's invasion came after his imprisonment but this came from his PR group, which took over his social media accounts. It's impossible that he was allowed to be regularly active online in prison.

So the attitude of Ukrainians to Navalny isn't warm.

Which covid shot did he take?

I've heard reasonable arguments for Putin wanting him dead, but why now and not before?

I've heard reasonable arguments for the west wanting him killed to make Putin look more like a dictator, but he does a good job of that all by himself.

But as another person with lots of dead bodies surrounding them would say "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

a reply to: watchitburn

I've heard reasonable arguments for Putin wanting him dead, but why now and not before?

This is the big question isn't it. At any point before him being imprisoned and even upon initial arrest, it stands to reason that Navalney's death would have been easier and also provide a level of deniability. While incarcerated however, all that goes away.

But as another person with lots of dead bodies surrounding them would say "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

"Well sonofabish, he got fired."

The facts remain that Navalny died in custody while being wrongfully detained. Regardless of whether the blood clot formed naturally or as a result from beatings/torture/etc it's existence is most likely due to being Navalny being in prison.

At the end of the day Putin is responsible for Navalny's death. Intentional or not.

a reply to: Threadbarer

At the end of the day Putin is responsible for Navalny's death. Intentional or not.

Perhaps.


Does this also mean that Zelensky is responsible for an American journalists death?

a reply to: JinMI

Yes. He also needs to lay off the coke.

a reply to: JinMI

That "journalist" was working as a Russian agent in Ukraine while Ukraine is at war with Russia.

What exactly did he think was going to happen?

a reply to: Threadbarer

While also not being true, you also just justified another nation murdering an American citizen.


It always brings me great joy when you guys out yourselves.

a reply to: JinMI

Was he or was he not intenionally spreading Russian propaganda designed to demoralize the Ukrainian war effort?

There's little difference between him and the US citizens that signed up to fight for Ukraine.

I don't blame Russia for killing US citizens that chose to fight for Ukraine. So why would I blame Ukraine when someone who chose to wage an information war against Ukraine for Russia dies in their custody?

a reply to: onestonemonkey
They shot him full of the Pfizer Covid vaccine.

a reply to: JinMI

The party always knows best comrade.

It's for the greater good.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

Where is JFKs? Seems to be just as empty.

a reply to: Threadbarer

Was he or was he not intenionally spreading Russian propaganda designed to demoralize the Ukrainian war effort?

Apart from being speech, do you have any evidence of his intentions outside of journalism?

There's little difference between him and the US citizens that signed up to fight for Ukraine.

Except for the fact that he did not sign up to fight for Ukraine......

I don't blame Russia for killing US citizens that chose to fight for Ukraine. So why would I blame Ukraine when someone who chose to wage an information war against Ukraine for Russia dies in their custody?

Go ahead and double down on justifying a nation that we are funding for killing an American citizen while incarcerated.....for speech at that.



I will laugh with you. You are laughing.....right?

There’s no doubt in my mind Putin took him out. I mean come on, secretly transfers him to an isolated prison in the arctic then he winds up dead a month before the election. It was an obvious warning to any real opposition.

It’s kind of like Putins calling card, he did the same sort of thing to Prigozhin. Let them live for a while, then take them out in a manner that everybody knows he ordered it but no one can prove he had anything to do with it.

a reply to: JinMI

Last year Kyrylo Budanov thought Putin was dead , seems that wasn't the case either.

Ukrainian spymaster Major-General Kyrylo Budanov claimed last week that the Kremlin has been using a body double for Putin for the last 14 months.

Speaking to Radio Svoboda last week, he said: “The Putin who everyone used to know was last seen around June 26, 2022.”

When asked again if he thought Putin was alive, he said: “I don’t know what to answer you.”
uk.finance.yahoo.com...

a reply to: gortex

The framing of the article doesnt match up to the statements made.


I dont believe anything Russia nor Ukraine says.

But some folks here do not share my opinions.....