U.S. Airman set himself on fire outside the Israeli embassy in Washington D.C

a reply to: Guyfriday

You've got no idea why people might "toss the term around", even in the light of an ongoing ICJ investigation? C'Mon, Genocide-Joe! Who's going to buy that line if we could also buy more ice-cream instead?

a reply to: PeelingOnions

So just going to toss the term "genocide" around without explaining what "YOU" mean by the term?

Let's just be clear here if the US wanted to take part in a genocide of the Palestinian people, then it would start by going after all of the Palestinians in the US. All we are seeing here is an administration trying to play both sides of a regional conflict to distract the world from its own problems.

Also, if you want to say, "well Israel", just keep this in mind, Israel could use nuclear weapons on Gaza if they just wanted to get rid of the Palestinian people. Instead it's Hamas that is the issue here and we should remember that they are the root of this problem.

Now since you brought up the term "genocide", you should tell us what you mean. Since it seems that you are just using phrases that are being pushed, then maybe you should go look at what is going on in the South Sudan. It's in the same region and it is a genocide that is recognized by the UN.

a reply to: Guyfriday

I see, you get to define the terms here. My bad, Uncle Joe?

I'd reckon this aint what we'd call ethnic cleansing, either? Just another, rather coincidental and nicely worded, but forceful displacement of sorts? Explain away!

originally posted by: PeelingOnions
a reply to: Guyfriday

I see, you get to define the terms here. My bad, Uncle Joe?

I'd reckon this aint what we'd call ethnic cleansing, either? Just another, rather coincidental and nicely worded, but forceful displacement of sorts? Explain away!

It’s a country kicking another country’s ass for starting a war with them. By means of disgusting barbaric animal violence snd sexual depravity. In front of the victims’ spouses, children, and parents.

That’s when the gloves come off for any real man.

The people getting killed in Gaza voted Hamas into power as their govt and army, then cheered on their animal lust. The savages said “thanks !” By hiding behind them when the bill came due. Sorry Charlie, you screwed the pooch and yourselves.

Nobody with more than 2 functioning brain cells cares at this point. Apparently there’s still a healthy group of people with 2, 1, and zero cells.

a reply to: arcticshuffle

You know what this makes me think of ?

Guy sucks down a bunch of heroin and whiskey.

Jumps in his car and shoves his family in there, drives around at 100 mph trying to run people over.

Crashes and kills his family but gets nary a scratch himself.

All the little lefties demand that the police who arrested him be fired, and let him go home because of his sorrow, and buy him a new car / license.

Yep, same level of dumbness that it takes to blame and demonize Israel for fighting back against rabid animals that literally raped people to death, and filmed it, and replayed it for laughs.

a reply to: arcticshuffle

Guess you internetz experts will have to deal with the fact, that following the corporate framing blindly might be a bit too much to ask for, given our motto and whatnot?

2 functioning brain cells

And what do those braincells think will happen when you cut off an entire population from electricity, food and water?

originally posted by: PeelingOnions
And what do those braincells think will happen when you cut off an entire population from electricity, food and water?

Maybe that entire population shouldn't have put people in charge who then attacked Israel, and that entire population shouldn't have backed those people up and supported the slaughter of 1200 people, mass rape and mutilation of men and women, the burning of families alive, and the taking of 240 hostages, and that entire population shouldn't be calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews. If they hadn't done all that, they would still have their electricity food and water. It's a situation of their own making. The IDIOTS started a war against a country that can beat the snot out of them. It's their own fault they are in the mess they are in.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Jaja. We are well aware of the rationale behind the genocide, and so was the Airman who set himself on fire.

Anything else?

originally posted by: PeelingOnions
a reply to: arcticshuffle

Guess you internetz experts will have to deal with the fact, that following the corporate framing blindly might be a bit too much to ask for, given our motto and whatnot?

2 functioning brain cells

And what do those braincells think will happen when you cut off an entire population from electricity, food and water?

Have you seen that giant razor wire border wall Egypt put up?

Do you know Gaza has its own desalination plant which provides 94% of their own water?

Did you know it’s NOT a war crime to NOT provide resources to your enemy?

Go get some of your terrorist simp buddies to loan you a gas can and match so you can truly find out, like your hero did.

a reply to: Vermilion

Why not simply offer me a gas can and matches like the nihilist?

I'd reckon some people would rather burn than having to live with the pathetic excuses for another genocide. Slow week in the PR department or what's up with the spamming?

originally posted by: PeelingOnions
a reply to: Vermilion

Why not simply offer me a gas can and matches like the nihilist?

I'd reckon some people would rather burn than having to live with the pathetic excuses for another genocide. Slow week in the PR department or what's up with the spamming?

I don’t participate in helping others virtue signal nor do I help Palestinian terrorists’ lifelong commitment to genocide.

originally posted by: PeelingOnions
a reply to: arcticshuffle

Guess you internetz experts will have to deal with the fact, that following the corporate framing blindly might be a bit too much to ask for, given our motto and whatnot?

2 functioning brain cells

And what do those braincells think will happen when you cut off an entire population from electricity, food and water?

Pretty sure what I said was accurate to what happened. You may not like that it’s true. But you can’t just demand that nobody talk about it, or that they are required to miscast as something that it’s not ( your false description of “genocide”).

The loss of infrastructure, homes, etc are literally what happens in every war. I sure wish Hamas hadn’t started this war, straight out of Gaza, then hid behind the Gazans and their children. Literally no fault of Israel.

You can’t redefine every single word and topic. Every once in a blue moon, someone will say “naaaaah”.

a reply to: PeelingOnions

There is no genocide.

This is merely a conflict between Hamas (a terrorist organization) and a the Government of Israel.

You want to push this nonsense of a genocide since it is the only talking point you seem to have obtained from the Trotskyists behind the media push, but in truth you neither understand what a genocide is or choose to ignore this fact.

I chose not to respond to your repeated nonsense spouted at me from your last response where hateful vitrail was the only driver, but since you seem to only understand talking points laid upon you by the selected media you consume, your opinion is now your own. I would suggest that this level of disruptive discussion does nothing for furthering the conversation of what happened, nor does it provide any substance given that the poster has refused to answer questions based on their own mind.

Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Elements of the crime
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals. Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”

www.un.org...

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) – The Court indicates provisional measures – ICJ Press Release

www.un.org... th-africa-v-israel-the-court-indicates-provisional-measures-icj-press-release-26jan2024/

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

Also, and more directly.
From: Websters Dictionary

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

The issue here is that one posters here has been using the term in definition of a conflict and refusing to explain why they believe this. If one really wants to they can communicate that most every act of violence conducted in the world is a type of genocide. We need to stop tossing worlds of the moment around and use the words that we know, so that when asked to clarify a state we can without having to attack others for not knowing what they are trying to convey.

a reply to: Guyfriday

genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

(You forgot something important at the beginning of the text.)

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

(30.000 muertos, 8.000 desaparecidos, 70.000 heridos)

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

(water and electricity cuts to the civilian population, even in hospitals with neonates and people who need that energy to stay alive, attacks on civilians while they collect humanitarian aid sent by planes, control of the amount of food, medicine and basic necessities...)

More than 750,000 non-Jewish civilians expelled in 1948 and 75 years of expulsion of native Palestinians. How many Israelis have been expelled?

Prohibition of expelled non-Jewish civilians from returning to their homes, towns and cities. How many Jews are prohibited from going to Israel or Palestine?

Illegal settler settlements in Palestinian areas of the West Bank, Jerusalem and other Palestinian areas. How many Palestinian settlers are there in Israel?

A 90% total occupation of Israel in a land in which in 1947 they did not even exist as a nation. They do not want to live with non-Jews, they want to exterminate them or expel them from their land, two options.

In 1945, Jews were 11% of all Palestine; currently, there are 7 million Jews and 5.5 million Palestinians. Since 1967, Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory has been illegal by international organizations and is not recognized.

2.3 million people forcibly displaced in this new cleanup operation. How many displaced Israelis?

45% of the homes destroyed in Gaza. What percentage of Israel has Hamas destroyed?

Even a wide variety of "Jewish" people worldwide recognize Israel's genocide.

Do you think the definition of genocide is to kill them all? It is literally what Israel has been doing for decades, textbook ethnic cleansing, there is the data on both sides.

a reply to: ToneD

A real shame, he was a kid with his whole life ahead of him. Rest in peace

It is not the first time it happens.

Norman R. Morrison[1] (December 29, 1933 – November 2, 1965) was an American anti-war activist. On November 2, 1965, Morrison doused himself in kerosene and set himself on fire below the office of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara at the Pentagon[2] to protest United States involvement in the Vietnam War, leading to his death.

Unfortunately, it is a bad choice, you have to fight in other ways peacefully, you just have to read the type of comments here, to see a portion of the lack of empathy of some people.

a reply to: Guyfriday

bnecause there is only one side who is actually attempting a genocide.

and that is the arabs of gaza.

the most important part of genocide, indeed, the thing that actually defines genocide from war is intent.

and only one side has the intention



and at about 5:20 in this next video...



the facts remain, if hamas put down their guns tomorrow and surrendered and pushed for a real future ...they would have a state

if israel put down their guns tomorrow... there would be no israel

but the arabs wont becuase they cant ... and thats harsh but its also their decision.

eta here is a liberal called destiny .. he has spent the last few months reading and debated ben shapiro a few weeks go ...

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

My source for the definition was given. The politized version of what the word means is as pointless as putting feeling over facts.

This conflict between a terrorist group and another country is just that, a conflict.

a reply to: Another_Nut

It's not the Arabs though, it's a single group called Hamas. Sure Hamas wants to wipe out Israel and it's people, but that's not how the term "genocide" is being use it's being pushed on us as Israel being to aggressor here.

Meanwhile, reality says otherwise...



112 civilians have died while collecting humanitarian aid.
The reality is the numbers on both sides. And this reality in terms of deaths on one side and the other, expelled people, military power and extension of land, it is clear which side it is on.



And in this video, in short, there are plenty of words to see which side of the scale is racism and the desire to exterminate the other. (This movement delays itself, as soon as you open their mouth, it only defend one side, exonerating the other of absolutely everything)