To save Democracy some Dems say they won't certify Trump if he wins

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Boomer1947


The Floyd Summer of 2020 was 10000% worse than what occurred on 1/6.

For the authoritarian Left, it was the opposite. The Floyd riots only hurt average, everyday people. The poor black neighborhoods that were ripped apart, the black-owned small businesses and franchises that were burned down. The poor and middle class were the only people killed in the riots.

Meaningless.

1/6, the victims were AOC and Pelosi and their other heroes who got scared but were never actually in any danger. But they are our betters and should never be subjected to one one-millionth of what average Americans had to deal with during the Floyd riots.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Klassified

Show me one video or direct quote in context where he actually says he wants to suspend the constitution.

He posted it on Truth Social.

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

www.foxnews.com...

Well done. You found it. Now show me the words "suspend (or terminate) the constitution" in that statement. They aren't there. He gave his opinion and my opinion is that he is wrong. but I'm not going to sensationalize what he said like so many news articles I've read did.

If we're going to quote someone, lets quote them directly and in context when we can, as you just did.

a reply to: Klassified

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!".

Not sure why you're not seeing it.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Klassified

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!".

Not sure why you're not seeing it.

I see it just fine, he believed it was "allowed for" in the event of a fraudulent election. He was wrong. It is not allowed for even IF it were proven to be fraudulent.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Klassified

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!".

Not sure why you're not seeing it.

I would also add, that he was being specific to those "rules and regulations" regarding elections, NOT the whole constitution. He was still wrong however.

originally posted by: MauiWaui

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Irishhaf
It still astonishes me that some people claim a civil case decision in a state can dictate a federal statue be applied to the federal govt.

States right argument was settled in April 1865.

1: Its taking a civil decision and trying to apply it to a criminal statute.

2: its at the state level, trying to tell the fed what to do.

3: no matter what the MSM and their paid shills say the 14th was created for a very specific reason, and a civil case isnt it.

If the SCOTUS Follows the Law on the Books , they Cannot Rule other than Mr. Trump Is Eligible to be on All 50 States Ballots . He was Never Charged with " Insurrection " , ergo , he is Legally Eligible to Run for that Office Contrary to what some Propagandists on the Left may Think .

All of us know this. We have some people here that will argue this fact but it's useless to argue a fact.

The scary part is, all of the NPC's that just watch CNN and other controlled media outlets are not shown other sides of the story. They won't see it because it's all strictly controlled and the media hasn't been fair and balanced for a decade now, maybe longer.

I'm not saying one side is right or wrong, all I'm saying is that the cheap 75" TV is telling a story and if you are intellectually lazy you have no reason to think they are being dishonest.

They are being dishonest and we have no mass broadcast cabability like they do to change anyone's mind, unless people wake up and look for it. I won't hold my breath. 151 trillion people will still vote for Biden because, reasons.

Geez , These Meat Puppets . Guess they are Still Believing they are seeing Four Fingers instead of the Five Reality is Holding Up.........

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

The current Democrat party are fascists.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

This is just hilarious. Where's our "fake electors" crowd? I'm sure they're livid lol. It's one thing to say something happened in the moment. It's a whole other thing to announce that it's premeditated. If dems did t have double standards they'd have no standards at all.

What democracy? Your voice is meaningless. You're the spectators that have been given the tools to shut the spectacle down but you're not influencing the script in any way or form.

You are not a democracy! At best you're very docile spectators...

I do really think some of you should go back to school and learn about your country and how it is ruled. No mater about your semantics "we are this", "we are that" but if you would care to look your complete country is run as a "representative democracy". You have a legal right to VOTE in your representatives/President. That ladies and gentlemen IS a democracy.

Just because you are either complacent, ignorant, uninformed, partisan or just too idle to vote or get your own candidate to stand instead of letting others pick your candidates is neither here nor there. The system IS THERE for YOU to alter the out come.
Your biggest misnomer is you have a party calling themselves Democrats after the word democracy and they couldn't be farther apart.

originally posted by: opethPA
I am still utterly amazed that anyone thinks Biden or Trump is the correct choice to be the next POTUS.

I am amazed that anyone can look at the choices, AND look at the track record of both (they exist) and not think Trump would be miles better than Biden. If you are sure there is a better choice out there, why isn't that person running? We all have opinions, I don't like some of them, and it appears you don't like some of them. But the best we can do is talk about the facts, and speculate about the rest.

a reply to: opethPA

Here is a link saying the same thing from a far left publication:
www.theatlantic.com...

The newsmax article was quoting from the far liberal left publication.

Many Dims will be lame ducks in 10 months.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Klassified

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!".

Not sure why you're not seeing it.

I would also add, that he was being specific to those "rules and regulations" regarding elections, NOT the whole constitution. He was still wrong however.

He was not specific. He said ALL regulations and articles, not some or many but all of them.

And yes he was wrong.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

This is a grave insult to all Americans on both or any side. It is subversion, insurrection, and treason all rolled into one big disgusting package of DNC filth. DNC headquarters needs to be redecorated on the outside in tar and feathers.

This statement right here I think illustrates the entire problem. You guys believe the democrats are the problem, and call them treasonous and insurrectionists. As is evidence by the currently legal perils of Trump, the Dems very much see Trump with trying to cause the exact same issues (Trump did threaten to suspend the constitution to stay in power). I won't bother discussing whether Trump is guilty or not of what's he's charged with regards to January 6th....we're all familiar with the charges.

But I would say that it's not all Republicans......it's the Trump faction of the right because he's trying to pull the country even further right. It doesn't need to be further right, it needs to be more in the centre. The further ANY political system is pulled to the extremes, the less gets done for the people, because it just causes more fighting and both sides to dig in and be must less willing to compromise or budge on their positions.

Just my humble 2 cents.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Klassified

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!".

Not sure why you're not seeing it.

I would also add, that he was being specific to those "rules and regulations" regarding elections, NOT the whole constitution. He was still wrong however.

He was not specific. He said ALL regulations and articles, not some or many but all of them.

And yes he was wrong.

Context.

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: opethPA

Here is a link saying the same thing from a far left publication:
www.theatlantic.com...

The newsmax article was quoting from the far liberal left publication.

Just like I said in my post, being Right doesn't automatically make it wrong. Logically then being Left doesn't automatically make it wrong. As long as people know that a site is biased then its on them to make their own informed choices.

What about the other part of my post? Your thread title is not what the article, regardless of which biased site we look at,. says.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: opethPA
I am still utterly amazed that anyone thinks Biden or Trump is the correct choice to be the next POTUS.

I am amazed that anyone can look at the choices, AND look at the track record of both (they exist) and not think Trump would be miles better than Biden. If you are sure there is a better choice out there, why isn't that person running? We all have opinions, I don't like some of them, and it appears you don't like some of them. But the best we can do is talk about the facts, and speculate about the rest.

I am sorry I don't agree that Trump would be miles better.

As I have said multiple times in the past both to you directly and on threads: I believe Trump was a slightly above average POTUS but a bad leader. I know that Biden is a bad POTUS and a bad leader.

If the best the two parties can provide are two candidates over 70 each with glaring flaws then we are in a lot of trouble.

originally posted by: Opossum19
It sounds weird when they defend democracy or when biden tries to quote the bible what a twisted sense of humor dems have.

Imagine how they feel.

Their intestines must get all twisted and they probably also develop a few facial tics while doing the above.

a reply to: opethPA

My approach is slightly different than yours, while I agree with your assessment of both I think trumps vendetta against the bureaucratic state is what we need if we ever want to right the ship.

It will be interesting to see if they take Viveks idea of firing whole sections of the Civil service community as an end around on the protections.